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[Midnight Eternal]

Cucobr wrote...

There isnt no other explain that beat indocritnation.

No other make sense.

Shepard wake up at the end is a ULTIMATE PROOF.

I'm sorry sir, but you didn't read my post on logical fallacies did you?

[RLesueur]

Cucobr wrote...

There isnt no other explain that beat indocritnation.

No other make sense.

Shepard wake up at the end is a ULTIMATE PROOF.

Yes there is. Bad writing.

[wtbusername]

CavScout wrote...

wtbusername wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Is this how you guys admit that you can't actually support, with proof, your theory claims and so instead petulantly demand it be disproven?

No, it's called giving the doctor a taste of their own medicine.

Even though you or many may call the 'evidence' circumstantial, the 'seeds' of theory are there, planted.

The Final Hours app is actually confirmation of this, which most people tend to ignore.

Your argument, people who oppose this theory, ends up crediting everything to Space Magic.

I know what I'd rather believe in.

Giving the doctor a taste of his own medicine? What?

In the same simple way people use 'Space Magic' to explain something (which doesn't contribute anything to a post, it's a waste of space), I can just agree with a post saying 'ditto', which also doesn't contribute anything except for my agreement.

Modifié par wtbusername, 19 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Xerkysz]

RLesueur wrote...

Yes there is. Bad writing.

You honestly think BioWare would make 99% of the game absolutely amazing, and the last 1% an absolute attrocity?

[Captain Shakespeare]

It seems odd, but it is a possibility.

[zer0netgain]

Let's presume you are right....and let's say the ending most get is a hallucination and Shepard (if I interpret your assertions correctly) never made it to the conduit to beam up to the Citadel.

That means Shepard is still wounded in London and the Reapers are still winning. Might make a good DLC towards a new ending if you managed to get the secret ending, but what would it be? A new ending sequence with different options because you still need to get onto the Citadel and do what needs to be done.

[Xerkysz]

zer0netgain wrote...

Let's presume you are right....and let's say the ending most get is a hallucination and Shepard (if I interpret your assertions correctly) never made it to the conduit to beam up to the Citadel.

That means Shepard is still wounded in London and the Reapers are still winning. Might make a good DLC towards a new ending if you managed to get the secret ending, but what would it be? A new ending sequence with different options because you still need to get onto the Citadel and do what needs to be done.

Bang on the money, and I spent a tad bit of time doing something, it won't be done but this could work off the indoctrination theory.
http://social.biowar...178422#10178422

Edit: I know there's terrible formatting and it makes it hard to read, I typed this up in word and copy pasta'd it xP

Modifié par Xerkysz, 19 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[DarkWolfz]

zer0netgain wrote...

Let's presume you are right....and let's say the ending most get is a hallucination and Shepard (if I interpret your assertions correctly) never made it to the conduit to beam up to the Citadel.

That means Shepard is still wounded in London and the Reapers are still winning. Might make a good DLC towards a new ending if you managed to get the secret ending, but what would it be? A new ending sequence with different options because you still need to get onto the Citadel and do what needs to be done.

This.
Even if this indoctrination theory is correct, wat they gave us at the end was still not a decisive ending. If this theory isnt real then the endings sucked but even if it was real the ending sucked anyways. It was a "dream" ok fine, but like alot of ppl said, choose the destroy option wit enough MS and u get the cutscene of shepard still in london, then wat?
Theres no real conclusion.
You still dont know how the war played out, wat happened to the reapers, the fleet, ur crew...
Oh but wat boggles me the most is the "16 different ways" to end the game.  Only saw 4 counting the extra cutscene in london.
I think u ppl are focusing on the wrong issue here. IT true or not the ending was still a wreck.

[nullobject]

Xerkysz wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Yes there is. Bad writing.

You honestly think BioWare would make 99% of the game absolutely amazing, and the last 1% an absolute attrocity?

There is no precedent for Bioware failing at endings. Especially in a Mass Effect game. We've been over this.

Modifié par nullobject, 19 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[Capeo]

Xerkysz wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Yes there is. Bad writing.

You honestly think BioWare would make 99% of the game absolutely amazing, and the last 1% an absolute attrocity?

Yup.  These are the endings they've always planned.  Did you not see the Tweet that they aren't changing the endings?  This is it, kiddies.  They quickly changed it to say "we're still taking feedback" but it's clear.  This is it.  They're going to wait for this to all blow over and try to sell us Omega DLC (it's only thing in the script still missing from the game since they gave us day 1 Prothean DLC).

[RLesueur]

Xerkysz wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Yes there is. Bad writing.

You honestly think BioWare would make 99% of the game absolutely amazing, and the last 1% an absolute attrocity?

Yes. And I have ultimate proof. They did exactly that in Mass Effect 3.

[mastercheif-117]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

Let's clarify. No one is right, no one is wrong. Not yet, at least. This is a textbook case of Shrodinger's cat. Neither side has adequate proof to state with certainty that they are correct. So until an official statement is made, you're arguing a moot point.

Excellent use of Shrodinger's cat might I say! I'm a firm believer in the RIT, but I too accept that there really isn't any "hard" evidence of this, until BioWare makes an official response about ending DLC. I would consider what is apparent here as "soft" evidence, and while compelling, doesn't necessitate a follow-up expansion. In the mean time, finishing with my 2nd playthrough just to get that "destroy" ending, IN THE CASE of ending DLC!

[MaverickPerry]

Morrden wrote...

There, literally every single point of proof counterpointed.

I'll state it again: All evidence for indoctrination theory is circumstantial, wishfully interpreted, and/or plain made up. Evidence against it is about as definitive as we're going to get from Bioware, ranging from statements backing up the current ending from Casey Hudson to admitting they have no plans at the moment to amend the ending, but are willing to listen.

If they really had an ace up their sleeves, don't you think they'd have played it the moment amazon prices took that initial hit? Why would they still be holding onto it with so much outrage being generated that it's literally making national news?

This. The Indoctrination Theory is simply rationalization. BioWare, however, may use this theory as an escape hatch and exploit the vague interpretations desperate fans have found and then say, "Uh... yeah. YEAH! Yeah, that's it. Hahaaa... yeah, what you guys said. Totally. All along. That was our plan!" 

C'mon.

Modifié par MaverickPerry, 19 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[Cucobr]

Shepard wake up ONLY at the end if you choose to destroy the reapers..

So.. confirms IT.

Modifié par Cucobr, 19 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[valor163]

Xerkysz wrote...


I'm still waiting for someone to give actual reasoning and proof to why it's false, instead of screaming GRASPINGATSTRAWS.JPG L3L3L3L3L3L3L

Unfortunatly Burden of Proof is on you.
I agree with the Indoctrination theory and think if Bioware have pulled this off then it is brilliant.
make us wait while screaming out for "The real ending" Offering to throw money at them for it...

We have all been Indoctrinated... by Bioware...

[MadRabbit999]

CavScout wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

There isnt no other explain that beat indocritnation.

No other make sense.

Shepard wake up at the end is a ULTIMATE PROOF.

You seem to be confused on what proof is....

The proof is that the Catalyst was lying when he said to shepard he would die by destroying the reapers.

[valor163]

Also after looking at your pictures i noticed Javik and Ashley in you crashed Normandy pic.

I did the final mission with Garrus and EDI and it was them that got out of the Normandy at that point...
i thought it was just coincidence that the characters i chose happened to suddenly teleport to the Normandy but it seems as though that scene changes depending on who you bought with you to Earth.

[MaverickPerry]

Xerkysz wrote...
You honestly think BioWare would make 99% of the game absolutely amazing, and the last 1% an absolute attrocity?

Hold on, let me beat Mass Effect 3 again...

...yup.

[Cucobr]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

There isnt no other explain that beat indocritnation.

No other make sense.

Shepard wake up at the end is a ULTIMATE PROOF.

You seem to be confused on what proof is....

The proof is that the Catalyst was lying when he said to shepard he would die by destroying the reapers.

Actualy dont proof it. After Shepard was hit by the reaper is all dream.. all part of indrocritnation.

[MaverickPerry]

piemanz wrote...

You do realise that if the indoctrination theory is correct, the game essentially shipped without an ending, right?.

I find it hard to beleive that Bioware would intentionally create a situation that would irk a huge portion of their fan base so they could sell them DLC that basicly ends the game.  DLC is supposed to be optional, this would be essential.

This.

The only thing worse than a shiity ending that made no sense, is an ending that isn't even an ending. So we're essentially at a fork in the road with Mass Effect 3 where our choices are "Illogical Nonsense Finale" vs. "Last 10 Pages Are Ripped Out Of The Book". 

BioWare doesn't care. How could they? They have $100 million reasons not to.

Modifié par MaverickPerry, 19 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Tsantilas]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

The proof is that the Catalyst was lying when he said to shepard he would die by destroying the reapers.

The Catalyst never says Shepard will die.  He specifically says you can destroy all synthetics including the geth and that even shepard is part synthetic.  What does he mean?  Shepard's implants will stop working.  Simple.  So the Catalyst isn't lying.  What were you saying about proof?

"You can whipe out all synthetic life if you want.  Including the geth.  Even you are partly synthetic..."  He never says "you will die".

Modifié par Tsantilas, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[MadRabbit999]

valor163 wrote...

Also after looking at your pictures i noticed Javik and Ashley in you crashed Normandy pic.

I did the final mission with Garrus and EDI and it was them that got out of the Normandy at that point...
i thought it was just coincidence that the characters i chose happened to suddenly teleport to the Normandy but it seems as though that scene changes depending on who you bought with you to Earth.

Not in my case... I brought Tali and Liara, yet in all the finaly scenes I saw Joker, Tali and Javik

Only when you end with Synthetis you end up with Joker, EDI and Javik (In my case).

[MadRabbit999]

Tsantilas wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

The proof is that the Catalyst was lying when he said to shepard he would die by destroying the reapers.

The Catalyst never says Shepard will die.  He specifically says you can destroy all synthetics including the geth and that even shepard is part synthetic.  What does he mean?  Shepard's implants will stop working.  Simple.  So the Catalyst isn't lying.  What were you saying about proof?

Yes, exactly.. Shepard is partially syntethic because he needs them to live. .they are not there for fun...

The Catalyst does not have to spell it out loud, it is pretty obvious.

[Tsantilas]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes, exactly.. Shepard is partially syntethic because he needs them to live. .they are not there for fun...

The Catalyst does not have to spell it out loud, it is pretty obvious.

Clearly it isn't pretty obvious, because with a high enough EMS, Shepard survives even with the synthetic parts destroyed.  Next.

Modifié par Tsantilas, 19 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[MadRabbit999]

Tsantilas wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Yes, exactly.. Shepard is partially syntethic because he needs them to live. .they are not there for fun...

The Catalyst does not have to spell it out loud, it is pretty obvious.

Clearly it isn't pretty obvious, because with a high enough EMS, Shepard survives even with the synthetic parts destroyed.  Next.

Yes.. because the Catalyst was lying.. Shepard was not destroying all syntethic life, but only the reapers.
Next.