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[MadRabbit999]

CHT87 wrote...



Best explanation out there?

It puts the indoctrination theory really on a plate for you... it is very well done.

If true, then Bioware did the most amazing job as no one has ever done before,  to screw around with people's minds, and we all fell for it.

If not... then it's still a nice theory, in the end it's up to you want yo uwant to believe

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 19 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[Tsantilas]

MassEffected555 wrote...

If you never experienced any of that my point is SHEPARD WAS NEVER BEING INDOCTRINATED!! GASP

Well obviously he wasn't... but you weren't stating your opinion on the matter.  Good thing we're on the same page... or something.

Modifié par Tsantilas, 19 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[Bane]

 I believe in Indoctrination Theory for several reasons.

First, because the endings are horrible as they are and I want to believe we'll get a satisfying conclusion to this trilogy. I haven't played Mass Effect for 250+ hours over the course of four and a half years to get a 30 second ending video that doesn't provide any kind of closure whatsoever. Indoctrination Theory is the only way the endings make any sense.

Second, BioWare is better than this. They've created one of the best, most important sci-fi universes of our generation. I don't believe for one second they intended these endings to be the real deal, that this is how they want their legacy to be remembered. BioWare is full of very smart, talented people that know what the hell they're doing.

Third, these smart people have come up with a brilliant piece of marketing. They wanted to set the internet on fire. They wanted to get people talking about the ending. They wanted to get Mass Effect on the news. Their social media responses are all carefully crafted to extend the illusion. They know they'll take a PR hit in the short term. It's all a part of the plan. Succès de scandale, success from scandal, there's no such thing as bad press.

Then they'll blow the whole deal wide open when they release the True Ending DLC (for free!). Indoctrination Theory is true, we get the endings we want and all this bad press instantly turns into good press. The ending of their trilogy will be remembered as one of the most legendary  pieces of marketing and PR ever devised: they indoctrinated their customers!

Even if what BioWare says is true and Indoctrination Theory was not planned from the beginning I think they would be foolish to not use it as their fire escape. Take it, use it, claim it was the plan the entire time and never tell a soul otherwise.

Modifié par Bane_v2, 19 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[Safoulan]

MassEffected555 wrote...

 http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination

1st - Indoc Theory is heavily based on Codex Entries from ME3 describing Hallucinations, Ghostly images, etc.

This Theory is not based on a Wiki Site w/a marriage of old and new information.
The actual ingame Codex entries from ME3 (not 1 or 2) are part of the 'proof' Indoc Theorists are proposing.

2nd - Your previous posts are Angry & you make sweeping generalizations. Your credibility takes a hit with each one.

3rd - Nothing that occurs after Harbingers beam blacks Shep out can be ruled as proof of Indoc Theory being false.
Indoc Theory proposes that this is all a mind-scape where the 3 Choices are symbols of Shep making a conscious decision.
Real world brainwashing is similar in function.
Present limited paths of reasoning for the mind to follow & attempt to coerce the mind to follow the desired one, which always involves relinquishing ones own free will.
The fact that Indoc Theory suggests that portion of ME3 is a mind-scape means that arguing over contextual issues in that portion is moot.

[nullobject]

Bane_v2 wrote...

 I believe in Indoctrination Theory for several
reasons.

First, because the endings are horrible as they are and I want to believe we'll get a satisfying conclusion to this trilogy. I haven't played Mass Effect for 250+ hours over the course of four and a half years to get a 30 second ending video that doesn't provide any kind of closure whatsoever. Indoctrination Theory is the only way the endings make any sense.

Second, BioWare is better than this. They've created one of the best, most important sci-fi universes of our generation. I don't believe for one second they intended these endings to be the real deal, that this is how they want their legacy to be remembered. BioWare is full of very smart, talented people that know what the hell they're doing.

Third, these smart people have come up with a brilliant piece of marketing. They wanted to set the internet on fire. They wanted to get people talking about the ending. They wanted to get Mass Effect on the news. Their social media responses are all carefully crafted to extend the illusion. They know they'll take a PR hit in the short term. It's all a part of the plan. Succès de scandale, success from scandal, there's no such thing as bad press.

Then they'll blow the whole deal wide open when they release the True Ending DLC (for free!). Indoctrination Theory is true, we get the endings we want and all this bad press instantly turns into good press. The ending of their trilogy will be remembered as one of the most legendary  pieces of marketing and PR ever devised: they
indoctrinated their customers!

Right on. Check the evidence I've collected supporting this.

[Jaze55]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CHT87 wrote...



Best explanation out there?

It puts the indoctrination theory really on a plate for you... it is very well done.

If true, then Bioware did the most amazing job as no one has ever done before,  to screw around with people's minds, and we all fell for it.

If not... then it's still a nice theory, in the end it's up to you want yo uwant to believe

It's a terrible theory that bends all the rules to make it fit. I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman power to resist it unlike all the other Mass Effect characters that have ever been indoctrinated. 

SPACE MAGIC 

[MadRabbit999]

Bane_v2 wrote...

 I believe in Indoctrination Theory for several
reasons.

First, because the endings are horrible as they are and I want to believe we'll get a satisfying conclusion to this trilogy. I haven't played Mass Effect for 250+ hours over the course of four and a half years to get a 30 second ending video that doesn't provide any kind of closure whatsoever. Indoctrination Theory is the only way the endings make any sense.

Second, BioWare is better than this. They've created one of the best, most important sci-fi universes of our generation. I don't believe for one second they intended these endings to be the real deal, that this is how they want their legacy to be remembered. BioWare is full of very smart, talented people that know what the hell they're doing.

Third, these smart people have come up with a brilliant piece of marketing. They wanted to set the internet on fire. They wanted to get people talking about the ending. They wanted to get Mass Effect on the news. Their social media responses are all carefully crafted to extend the illusion. They know they'll take a PR hit in the short term. It's all a part of the plan. Succès de scandale, success from scandal, there's no such thing as bad press.

Then they'll blow the whole deal wide open when they release the True Ending DLC (for free!). Indoctrination Theory is true, we get the endings we want and all this bad press instantly turns into good press. The ending of their trilogy will be remembered as one of the most legendary  pieces of marketing and PR ever devised: they
indoctrinated their customers!

Even if what BioWare says is true and Indoctrination Theory was not planned from the beginning I think they would be foolish to not use it as their fire escape. Take it, use it, claim it was the plan the entire time and never tell a soul otherwise.

Working in a AAA videogame company myself I agree on most of your points... we are not all idiots.. and we spend hundred thousands hours looking/playing games and our games, bad decisions are usualyl the result of something gone wrong due to unexpected F**ck ups.

You know what  the best part is?

Imagine they really did "F***ed" it up, and with our theories on the real ending they know they have a chance to fix it (Save their asses), by coming alogn and say "Oh... yeah. .yeah of course we planned it all along... Indoc.... indoct.. indoc... the mind control stuff ending.. yes..."

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 19 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[Xerkysz]

MassEffected555 wrote...

I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman...

SPACE MAGIC

Care to explain Shepards reincarnation at the beginning of Mass Effect 2 then, if you're that good I mean.

[MrPuschel]

[Safoulan]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CHT87 wrote...



Best explanation out there?

It puts the indoctrination theory really on a plate for you... it is very well done.

If true, then Bioware did the most amazing job as no one has ever done before,  to screw around with people's minds, and we all fell for it.

If not... then it's still a nice theory, in the end it's up to you want yo uwant to believe

It's a terrible theory that bends all the rules to make it fit. I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman power to resist it unlike all the other Mass Effect characters that have ever been indoctrinated. 

SPACE MAGIC 

Additionally, Indoc Theory is proposing BioWare intentionally made their 1st ending to ME3 in a deceptive way.

Insisting that Shep could not have resisted Indoc throughout all the games doesn't fit with the timeline of this trilogy and the creation process for a game.

It is highly unlikely that, if Indoc Theory is correct, BioWare thought of it at ANY time during the creation of the previous ME's.
It is also extremely difficult to keep plausibility between disparate pieces of entertainment.
Some changes are made due to what the creative team feels would benefit the medium, despite that change being less plausible than simply making no change at all.

[turian_rage]

I agree with most of these parts, however, I believe the scars showing were simply the damage done to your face by the explosive laser, which is actually tying into the whole lazarus project thing. I also believe that the indoctrination was not in full swing until Shepard made that crucial initial direct contact with Harbinger. The indoctrination was there, but it was slow, and it was just taking into effect. Harbinger did not have enough of a hold on Shepard's strong-willed mind to constitute him as indoctrinated until the end. It's like a fish swimming toward the lure but not yet grabbing on.

[im commander shep]

MassEffected555 wrote...

 No you guys with this theory are elevating Shepard above the game lore and rules which is exactly the same thing as SPACE MAGIC :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

If EVERYONE else in the game get's indoctrinated one way, except Shepard, you just made him special. WIth SPACE MAGIC

I fully expect shepard to die maybe commit suicide because of the indoctrination but there are examples of people who have been indoctrinated and lived coped with it.

But at least we would see the true end of his story maybe watch him get laid one more time.

[Tsantilas]

turian_rage wrote...

 It's like a fish swimming toward the lure but not yet grabbing on.

Or grasping at straws? harr harr.

[Jaze55]

Safoulan wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination

1st - Indoc Theory is heavily based on Codex Entries from ME3 describing Hallucinations, Ghostly images, etc.

This Theory is not based on a Wiki Site w/a marriage of old and new information.
The actual ingame Codex entries from ME3 (not 1 or 2) are part of the 'proof' Indoc Theorists are proposing.

2nd - Your previous posts are Angry & you make sweeping generalizations. Your credibility takes a hit with each one.

3rd - Nothing that occurs after Harbingers beam blacks Shep out can be ruled as proof of Indoc Theory being false.
Indoc Theory proposes that this is all a mind-scape where the 3 Choices are symbols of Shep making a conscious decision.
Real world brainwashing is similar in function.
Present limited paths of reasoning for the mind to follow & attempt to coerce the mind to follow the desired one, which always involves relinquishing ones own free will.
The fact that Indoc Theory suggests that portion of ME3 is a mind-scape means that arguing over contextual issues in that portion is moot.

They go out of their way to let you know the tolls of war and having a psycological effect on Shepard you do realize that right? I am staring at it right now. Start a new game, role playing, pick a class, pick a profile THEN:

PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE:

no matter what you pick out of Numerous, Kaiden or Ashly it states:

"The death of numerous squadmates and friends have begun to play a significat role in Commander Shepards psycological profile.

The buredn of inevitable combat loss after so many high-risk missions weighs heavily on Shepard"


OK now do I need to explain what effects happen when the above takes place to a person?

Modifié par MassEffected555, 19 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[im commander shep]

Bane_v2 wrote...

 I believe in Indoctrination Theory for several reasons.

First, because the endings are horrible as they are and I want to believe we'll get a satisfying conclusion to this trilogy. I haven't played Mass Effect for 250+ hours over the course of four and a half years to get a 30 second ending video that doesn't provide any kind of closure whatsoever. Indoctrination Theory is the only way the endings make any sense.

Second, BioWare is better than this. They've created one of the best, most important sci-fi universes of our generation. I don't believe for one second they intended these endings to be the real deal, that this is how they want their legacy to be remembered. BioWare is full of very smart, talented people that know what the hell they're doing.

Third, these smart people have come up with a brilliant piece of marketing. They wanted to set the internet on fire. They wanted to get people talking about the ending. They wanted to get Mass Effect on the news. Their social media responses are all carefully crafted to extend the illusion. They know they'll take a PR hit in the short term. It's all a part of the plan. Succès de scandale, success from scandal, there's no such thing as bad press.

Then they'll blow the whole deal wide open when they release the True Ending DLC (for free!). Indoctrination Theory is true, we get the endings we want and all this bad press instantly turns into good press. The ending of their trilogy will be remembered as one of the most legendary  pieces of marketing and PR ever devised: they indoctrinated their customers!

Even if what BioWare says is true and Indoctrination Theory was not planned from the beginning I think they would be foolish to not use it as their fire escape. Take it, use it, claim it was the plan the entire time and never tell a soul otherwise.

Exactly, what he said.

[Jaze55]

Safoulan wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CHT87 wrote...



Best explanation out there?

It puts the indoctrination theory really on a plate for you... it is very well done.

If true, then Bioware did the most amazing job as no one has ever done before,  to screw around with people's minds, and we all fell for it.

If not... then it's still a nice theory, in the end it's up to you want yo uwant to believe

It's a terrible theory that bends all the rules to make it fit. I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman power to resist it unlike all the other Mass Effect characters that have ever been indoctrinated. 

SPACE MAGIC 

Additionally, Indoc Theory is proposing BioWare intentionally made their 1st ending to ME3 in a deceptive way.

Insisting that Shep could not have resisted Indoc throughout all the games doesn't fit with the timeline of this trilogy and the creation process for a game.

It is highly unlikely that, if Indoc Theory is correct, BioWare thought of it at ANY time during the creation of the previous ME's.
It is also extremely difficult to keep plausibility between disparate pieces of entertainment.
Some changes are made due to what the creative team feels would benefit the medium, despite that change being less plausible than simply making no change at all.

No it's highly unlikly Bioware would purposely get tons of negative press just so that can say "HAHA we fooled you guys here is the real ending herpa derpa"

[Landaren RNS]

Sorry, I know you guys want to think indoctrination happened but it didn't.

Lazy endings is what happened, get over it.

I had to break my personal policy and buy a stupid ass EA game because I wanted to finish ME... now that it's over I'm going back on the wagon.
I know I'm not buying any more Bioware games until they sever ties with EA.

Modifié par Landaren RNS, 19 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[Jaze55]

Xerkysz wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman...

SPACE MAGIC

Care to explain Shepards reincarnation at the beginning of Mass Effect 2 then, if you're that good I mean.

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

[Xerkysz]

MassEffected555 wrote...

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

[Jaze55]

Xerkysz wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

Yeah but you keep using in game proof. I gave IN GAME proof it couldn't happen unless Shepard is somehow stronger then Benezia, Saren, Project Rho doctor lady and pretty much everyone else in the game. So you make Shepard superhuman to support your theory completely throwing out all the other evidence that has been shown NUMEROUS times in the series. IF it works for everyone else but not Shepard you have just elevated him above the games lore and rules. 

Modifié par MassEffected555, 19 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[MadRabbit999]

Xerkysz wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

Most ships carry large quantity of oxigen which burns up as they explode...

Space is not 100% empty... there are very few particles that travel and carry sound too... but we are talking of  massive sound waves... so althoguh there is no sound in space.. you would still hear something as if you were wearing a thick sound proofed helmet in case of an insane explosion.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 19 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Jaze55]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

Most ships carry large quantity of oxigen which burns up as they explode...

WAIT!!! HAHAHAH Ok so there is no oxygen on ships? Yet Shepard is breathing on the ship ALL the time with no mask. OK so then it is obviously OK that he could be breathing with no mask when talkiing to the Catalyst then.

Thats solved. 

[Tsantilas]

Xerkysz wrote...

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

First of all he wasn't drifting in space for 2 years, but that's a minor detail.  You pretty much answered your own question.  Half the questions in mass effect are answered by "space magic", but when it comes to the indoctrination theory, it is no longer a valid explanation?  Hypocrisy much?

[MadRabbit999]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

 

there a video. You guys like to post vids 

Good job you managed to get a movie, so how, after 2 years drifting in space, with no oxygen, is Shepard even able to be revived?

It's a game, things happen that don't or wouldn't happen IRL.

Like explosions in space, no oxygen means no fire...

Most ships carry large quantity of oxigen which burns up as they explode...

WAIT!!! HAHAHAH Ok so there is no oxygen on ships? Yet Shepard is breathing on the ship ALL the time with no mask. OK so then it is obviously OK that he could be breathing with no mask when talkiing to the Catalyst then.

Thats solved. 

dude... I am saying there is air on ship and that is what causes the fire during explosions.. learn to read before lolling at yourself...

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 19 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[ShaneP]

Indoctrination also needs exposure to reaper artifacts, and it takes 1-2 weeks to work. 6 months between ME2 and ME3 is too long a lag time, the couple of minutes you are out for near the end of ME3 is too short a lag time.

The indoctrination theory is stupid, it does not work. And indoctrination doesn't work by the reapers simply picking a target at random and firing some magic beam into their brains, if it did they would never encounter a single piece of resistance.

Modifié par ShaneP, 19 mars 2012 - 03:49 .