Would be down with this as long as they fixed the major glitches too.DrekorSilverfang wrote...
I'm thinking...
Nerfs: Decoy less effective, Energy drain less damage, Biotic explosions less damage(maybe reduction on bonus' for spec), heavy pistol weight
Buffs: AR damage, SMGs in general, tech armor and grenades.
Modifié par cuzIMgood, 20 mars 2012 - 05:48 .
DrekorSilverfang wrote...
I'm thinking...
Nerfs: Decoy less effective, Energy drain less damage, Biotic explosions less damage(maybe reduction on bonus' for spec), heavy pistol weight
Buffs: AR damage, SMGs in general, tech armor and grenades.
), and instead buffing weaker things, then buffing enemies to compensate if needed. Especially since they don't offer skill resets for nerfed skills, and resets are rare, promotions a hassle.
Modifié par Iodine, 20 mars 2012 - 06:37 .
Lynx7725 wrote...
It's the swarm of Banshee, Brute and 2 Ravagers that usually is a handful to cater for. Shoot the Ravagers (which are ok to take out) and you let the Banshee and Brute close, which is not a good idea. Brute feels about correct, Ravagers are squishy.. the Banshee though, hard to nail on close, in close is deadly. Should tweak just a wee bit on some parameters. No need for the nerf bat, but a little tuning won't hurt.
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
And no nerf to Asari Plz! But i can agree to buff weapon more as it seems kinda sux compare to Power
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
DarkBladeX98 wrote...
I personally think the Phantoms guns need to be toned down a hair.
Modifié par Tiamatshade, 20 mars 2012 - 07:15 .
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
Modifié par FierachEredasSoulchiou, 20 mars 2012 - 07:27 .
HaesoME3 wrote...
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
I bet I can beat gold without any powers at all. Stop being bad. Weapons are vastly inferior to biotic explosions especially if you use Reave Setups + Throw Dets
Philonius wrote...
Lynx7725 wrote...
It's the swarm of Banshee, Brute and 2 Ravagers that usually is a handful to cater for. Shoot the Ravagers (which are ok to take out) and you let the Banshee and Brute close, which is not a good idea. Brute feels about correct, Ravagers are squishy.. the Banshee though, hard to nail on close, in close is deadly. Should tweak just a wee bit on some parameters. No need for the nerf bat, but a little tuning won't hurt.
You have too, I repeat HAVE TOO deal with Ravagers AS SOON AS YOU SEE THEM. If you dont, they are gonna park a mile away and pin you down with pin point sniper rocket fire. If they do that, the last thing you NOW need to worry about is the Ravagers. Now what you have to deal with is the several Brutes and Banshee's that are now peeking over your cover. In short, prepare for some pain....
FierachEredasSoulchiou wrote...
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
I don't see a single line that says powers need to be nerfed, do you?
No?
I thought so.
The guy wants weapons and powers to be more in line with each other because right now, powers far outstrip weapons and you want to try and insult him? Get real and grow up.
Not like there's really THAT much room for being creative with builds either. Ha. What a joke you are. I for one sincerely hope that the Rev and some other ARs get buffed.
Xena_Shepard wrote...
HaesoME3 wrote...
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Fortack wrote...
MP needs a lot more than those tiny adjustments.
It's full of bugs that haven't been fixed yet (ME3 MP feels like a beta). It's easy to cheat due to local files that are used instead of loaded from the server. Horrible lag. Poor class balance. Powers are way more powerful than weapons. Weight system is a joke. Random unlocks are a nightmare. And so on.
The previous adjustments are a joke. The Revenant is a disaster, for example. Improving its damage with 5-10% doesn't change that. It only makes it slightly less worthless which is better than disastrous but not nearly enough to make it a viable alternative.
MP is fun (IMHO) despite all these problems though. But it can be, and should have been, so much better.
Yeah! Powers should be nerfed to hell and weapons made king! I mean, who doesn't want a lot of Soldiers running around with their X weapons that make every other class worthless? I say we reward people who get good weapons in the random packs and have tons of time to waste credit farming, rather than people who come up with imaginative builds for their characters!
/Sarcasm
By the way, have fun on Gold anything if powers get nerfed, since a good build is the only way to win Gold, not weapons, you militant moron.
I bet I can beat gold without any powers at all. Stop being bad. Weapons are vastly inferior to biotic explosions especially if you use Reave Setups + Throw Dets
Sounds like the crying of someone who doesn't know how to make a proper build, to me.
LeinadSemrig wrote...
My salarian engineer was annihilating Silver Reapers left and right. Decoy seems to really screw with the AI for Banshees and Husks as they tend to either just stand there staring at it, or (in banshees cases) repeatedly using the AOE burst attack that allows my decoy plenty of time to regen it's shields. Then it's just Energy Drain and incinerate to my hearts content until it dies. Not to mention that Cannibals, Marauders, and Ravagers all seem to focus fire on my decoy while I spam powers and pistol rounds into them. AI may need some tweaking here since I see very little rhyme or reason to it's choice of targets. Sometimes the AI that is actively pursuing me will jump off to attack a decoy I threw behind them, and other times I will spawn a decoy in front of them when I'm out of their line of sight and they will suddenly gain a sixth sense to where I am and rush me. Not sure what all that is about.
HaesoME3 wrote...
You're a dolt. AoE Reave + AoE Throw drell/anything with throw duo kills faster than two infiltrators with BW and perfect aim. 2 Drell reaves + aoe throw is even more insane as the cooldowns sync up - throw in an infiltrator for objectives/ravager sniping.
The simple fact of the matter is powers are vastly superior to weapons even when using optimal weapon classes like soldier and infiltrator. You don't have to like it, but it's quite obviously true. I currently don't play power based classes simply because it's too easy.
Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 20 mars 2012 - 07:40 .
strive wrote...
I hope they don't over nerf biotics. Not very many people have X rare/ultra weapons, so we can't fully judge how far weapons are behind.
Drell Adept spamming Reave/Cluster Grenades with a Human Sentinel or Asari Adept following them around will get 120K + versus Reapers no problem. With Reave up they have 90%DR when doing their ninja kick roll things.
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Well, considering this is a thread about "balance adjustments" and what I bolded that he said, yeah, I kinda think he wants powers nerfed. Making guns more powerful is still a nerf to powers, and then it'll just become a gun fest with nobody bothering to actually make a decent power build.
FierachEredasSoulchiou wrote...
Xena_Shepard wrote...
Well, considering this is a thread about "balance adjustments" and what I bolded that he said, yeah, I kinda think he wants powers nerfed. Making guns more powerful is still a nerf to powers, and then it'll just become a gun fest with nobody bothering to actually make a decent power build.
And what you bolded is an opinion that he stated that just happens to be true. Now. Since this is a thread about "balance adjustments", its obvious that he wants something changed. Whether he wanted its a nerf or a buff isn't stated, but I guess you're absolutely free to draw your own conclusions out of thin air and harass others without provocation.
In the meantime, I suppose you're fine with the current power fest instead? I'm going to guess you don't think both can coexist peacefully? Hey, its not like anybody in Mass Effect has ever played an adept or an engineer, focusing on biotics and tech instead of shooting. Some people like to play wizards, others like to play warriors, shame we can't try and make both useful.
Xena_Shepard wrote...
HaesoME3 wrote...
You're a dolt. AoE Reave + AoE Throw drell/anything with throw duo kills faster than two infiltrators with BW and perfect aim. 2 Drell reaves + aoe throw is even more insane as the cooldowns sync up - throw in an infiltrator for objectives/ravager sniping.
The simple fact of the matter is powers are vastly superior to weapons even when using optimal weapon classes like soldier and infiltrator. You don't have to like it, but it's quite obviously true. I currently don't play power based classes simply because it's too easy.
Right. Too easy. In other words, you can't make a good build. I love how to you power builds boil down to "reave + throw" I've never once seen anybody use reave at all, much less reave + throw. Now stasis + warp or singularity + warp or something of that nature, sure.
Powers should be vastly superior to weapons, because weapons take little to no skill (unless you're a sniper). They're just there to appease the talentless hacks (AKA the BF3 crowd, which BW is trying to pander to anyway). Besides the fact that if weapons were king it'd alienate the actually good players because the weapons you get are entirely left up to chance, and even with the current system that still screws people over.
FYI I don't even play Adept classes (though I'd like to give them a go sometime) I'm an Engineer, and it's nearly impossible to get a Tech Burst on your own. It mostly happens as an accident when there's 2 or more Engineers on the same team.
Modifié par HaesoME3, 20 mars 2012 - 08:01 .
HaesoME3 wrote...
Xena_Shepard wrote...
HaesoME3 wrote...
You're a dolt. AoE Reave + AoE Throw drell/anything with throw duo kills faster than two infiltrators with BW and perfect aim. 2 Drell reaves + aoe throw is even more insane as the cooldowns sync up - throw in an infiltrator for objectives/ravager sniping.
The simple fact of the matter is powers are vastly superior to weapons even when using optimal weapon classes like soldier and infiltrator. You don't have to like it, but it's quite obviously true. I currently don't play power based classes simply because it's too easy.
Right. Too easy. In other words, you can't make a good build. I love how to you power builds boil down to "reave + throw" I've never once seen anybody use reave at all, much less reave + throw. Now stasis + warp or singularity + warp or something of that nature, sure.
Powers should be vastly superior to weapons, because weapons take little to no skill (unless you're a sniper). They're just there to appease the talentless hacks (AKA the BF3 crowd, which BW is trying to pander to anyway). Besides the fact that if weapons were king it'd alienate the actually good players because the weapons you get are entirely left up to chance, and even with the current system that still screws people over.
FYI I don't even play Adept classes (though I'd like to give them a go sometime) I'm an Engineer, and it's nearly impossible to get a Tech Burst on your own. It mostly happens as an accident when there's 2 or more Engineers on the same team.
Reave is AoE, throw is AoE. Reave works against armor, how well does your singularity work against armored/barried targets (Read: The non mook enemies that actually matter)
Warp + throw and reave + throw are the only two that matter because you can get +100% det damage or multiple dets from the same combo, using anything else is sub optimal unless you're fighting cerberus/geth which are jokes anyway.
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