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[Carmen_Willow]

THE GREEN SOLUTION-



{Spoilers}

I finished my playthrough with enough war assets to get all thee options.  I can away with the following question(s):

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

Did any of the writers think about this before they wrote the dialogue for the green ending?  Did they really mean all sentient life?  If so, at what level of intelligence, response, etc., does life become "sentient"?

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

[Xandurpein]

I've said this before. The green solution is essentially using "intelligent design" (an act of God) to ostensibly achieve the pinnacle of evolution, which won't happen if things are just left alone (real evolution). That isn't clever, that's Orwellian 1984 speach...

Modifié par Xandurpein, 19 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[Carmen_Willow]

one bump

[RedNanaki]

Space magic.

That's the short answer at least. It just doesn't fit. All "synthetics" and all organic life will share the same "DNA"... makes no sense.

Actually, no. I don't have any other answer besides "space magic". Green ending defies everything that Mass Effect is.

[Carmen_Willow]

Forgive the bump, just saw your reply.

[Carmen_Willow]

RedNanaki wrote...

Space magic.

That's the short answer at least. It just doesn't fit. All "synthetics" and all organic life will share the same "DNA"... makes no sense.

Actually, no. I don't have any other answer besides "space magic". Green ending defies everything that Mass Effect is.

I just thought, how illogical. This dialogue is coming from the pinnacle of synthetic thought?  We're in real trouble here, folks.

[WastelanderTim]

at least you got the part where you were upset that it was the "last stage of evolution" which makes no sense in itself, im still stuck on robots have DNA to merge with.

[Demon Velsper]

I get it as far as the organics getting synthetics part... but what do the synthetics get? Organic parts? Wouldn't that make them mortal where they were previously immortal, viewing time as an illusion? Seems like a step down.

[Ozzyfan223]

makes completely no sense at all, and is never explained. All DNA? Why? How? Who? Basic questions that aren't even gestured at.

we just need to assume this stupid blue thing knows all. But, remember, speculation!

[Killer3000ad]

Space magic dude, space magic, just go with it bro, it will hurt your brain less, but requires that you drop your mental defenses and just accept the word of Casper.

[Scyldemort]

THE GREEN SOLUTION-

IT'S PEOPLE! PEEEEEEOPLE!!!!
... oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about something else.

But yeah. Apparently, even though humans and asari and turians and all the rest are molecular machines to begin with, we're not the right KIND of molecular machine, and we need to integrate weird looking digital glowy things and green glowing eyes for there to be peace in the galaxy? Even before you look at how this is an utter rejection of the central themes of the entire series up until now (strength through diversity), this is stupid.

[Xandurpein]

Let's not forget the strange logic behind the fact that Starchild won't be able to produce a green alternative unless Shepard manage to assemble a sufficiently big fleet to attack the Reapers with.

[arthurhallam]

From Ray Kurzweil's the Singularity is Near:

The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.

Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).

At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any further is to begin converting all of the matter and energy in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, stars, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting intelligence, or a form of synthetic life.

Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.

The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.

With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities, including manipulation of the physical constants, inter-dimensional travel, and controlling the fate of the universe.

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This is what happens when you choose synthesise.

[Arquin]

I chose the synthesis, simply because it had the least bad repercussions of what the god-child told me.

Like it matters in the end anyway

But yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

Modifié par Arquin, 19 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[Paulinius]

So do the Geth get skin and internal organs with synthesis?

Plus what keeps the hybrids from making their own synthetics which could rebel.

[Carmen_Willow]

arthurhallam wrote...

From Ray Kurzweil's the Singularity is Near:

The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.

Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).

At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any further is to begin converting all of the matter and energy in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, stars, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting intelligence, or a form of synthetic life.

Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.

The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.

With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities, including manipulation of the physical constants, inter-dimensional travel, and controlling the fate of the universe.

--

This is what happens when you choose synthesise.

And what about quantum data storage?

I did read a book about 10 years ago that said within 50-100 years, you will be able to upload your entire personality into the world wide web and be immortal. The book also predicted that there will be no reason to send large manned space vessel aroudn the galaxy as personalities could be uploaded into very small "ships" to do space exploration.  Just sayin'.

Isn't this what the Butlerian Jihad was all about?

[Demon Velsper]

Paulinius wrote...

So do the Geth get skin and internal organs with synthesis?

Plus what keeps the hybrids from making their own synthetics which could rebel.

Pfft. Obviously the space magic prevents that. Think man, think!

[Eilati]

Said it before and i'll say it again; My first thought on a translation of synthesis was "turn everyone in the Galaxy into Husks"

[Militarized]

Xandurpein wrote...

I've said this before. The green solution is essentially using "intelligent design" (an act of God) to ostensibly achieve the pinnacle of evolution, which won't happen if things are just left alone (real evolution). That isn't clever, that's Orwellian 1984 speach...

It makes about as much sense as intelligent design as well... which is to say zip and nadda. 

To me, synthesis = Reapers win. 

[Hellosanta]

We must distinguish cultural(civilization) development and physical evolution to fully discuss the synthetic ending.
To simply put it, the synthetic ending makes no sense.

[Ieldra]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

THE GREEN SOLUTION-

{Spoilers}

I finished my playthrough with enough war assets to get all thee options.  I can away with the following question(s):

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

Did any of the writers think about this before they wrote the dialogue for the green ending?  Did they really mean all sentient life?  If so, at what level of intelligence, response, etc., does life become "sentient"?

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

This is all the more mind-boggling if you know the original phrasing from the November leak. There the description of the Synthesis went like this:

"We synthetics will become more like you, and organics will become more like us".

That was all. Incredibly vague, but you could use your imagination to make it make some sense. None of this nonsense of the "final evolution of life" and "hybrid DNA". That doesn't defy just science but logic.

The thing is that the Synthesis is supposed to be a good ending - consider the imagery, and what the Catalyst says. This nonsense doesn't help make it appear so. 

I choose to pretend that the original phrasing has been used.

[ZtalkerRM]

Militarized wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

I've said this before. The green solution is essentially using "intelligent design" (an act of God) to ostensibly achieve the pinnacle of evolution, which won't happen if things are just left alone (real evolution). That isn't clever, that's Orwellian 1984 speach...

It makes about as much sense as intelligent design as well... which is to say zip and nadda. 

To me, synthesis = Reapers win. 

Well...I chose this ending as well. Imo, 'control' is the evil ending, since you don't remove them from excistence and give the galaxy more attempts at failing. What if that evil Quarian admiral or scientist(the one that shot at me!) is going to create 'supergeth' or something? They were anxious to disect Legion...
Destroy means essentially the same. Although you destroy all synthetic life (and Geth and EDI!) in the process, the Quarians will build a new synthetic life form next week. And EDI was created from leftover reaper tech. And when you blow up thousands of reapers, there will be enough of that.

Synthesis is, despite it's evil, evil ways, the only options in which you provide the galaxy a new chance. Although it's the Assad way of 'helping' people, you force tech and nature to work together, forcing each side to understand the other.

Bad thing is: By making peace between the Quarians and Geth I thought I already did that. As a paragon Shepherd, every single end-choice if evil and doesn't fit the character. Synthesis is the least bad one. I would have liked an option to flip the finger and kill the Matrix architect rip-off though.

[Chloe_W1971]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

THE GREEN SOLUTION-



{Spoilers}

I finished my playthrough with enough war assets to get all thee options.  I can away with the following question(s):

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

Did any of the writers think about this before they wrote the dialogue for the green ending?  Did they really mean all sentient life?  If so, at what level of intelligence, response, etc., does life become "sentient"?

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

(My emphasis)

Well, you played the game. You saw the endings. Does it even look as if the writers who wrote the bulk of the game were responsible for the awful endings? From the painfully slow limping-towards-the-beam sequence on, does it look like anyone actually thought about what they were writing? 

Your point about evolution ceasing notwithstanding, but does one individual even have the right to make such a decision for everyone in the galaxy, especially when taking into account that you're still condemning billions to death by destroying the infrastructure that galactic civilization is built on?

Honestly, I have no idea why we (the players) have to tell them (the writers) this. It's like they felt they had painted themselves into a corner (which they hadn't) and then went all Space Magic ™ :wizard:on us.

[Zhijn]

Tho all 3 suck in its own special way, Synergy is absolute worst ending of em all

Think you can compare that ending with a certain dude with a toothbrush moustache from WWI and WWII.

[ZtalkerRM]

Zhijn wrote...

Tho all 3 suck in its own special way, Synergy is absolute worst ending of em all

Think you can compare that ending with a certain dude with a toothbrush moustache from WWI and WWII.

You know the theory of Godwin?
When this certain mister is named in a thread or discussion, it's dead.
He wasn't responsible for WW1 by the way, a catastrpic chain of events and alliances, starting with the assassination of Ardchduke Ferdinand was.
Glad to see you got your history right :innocent:
He did fight in WW1 though, just as a soldier. Had no influence at the time.

ON TOPIC:
Does anyone else think it's somewhat cynical that the only ending in which Shep can survive is where you betray EDI and Legion, two of the character fans love most? Did the kid excplicitly mention Shep would die by choosing synthesis? I only recall he said Shep would die when choosing 'control.'