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[eldertaco]

i see synthesis as a pretty evil choice too, as it forces this change on all beings in the galaxy...

[Promethus2112]

I chose it to save EDI and the Geth. To hell with the rest of the galaxy.

[Edje Edgar]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Tho all 3 suck in its own special way, Synergy is absolute worst ending of em all

Think you can compare that ending with a certain dude with a toothbrush moustache from WWI and WWII.

You know the theory of Godwin?
When this certain mister is named in a thread or discussion, it's dead.
He wasn't responsible for WW1 by the way, a catastrpic chain of events and alliances, starting with the assassination of Ardchduke Ferdinand was.
Glad to see you got your history right :innocent:
He did fight in WW1 though, just as a soldier. Had no influence at the time.

ON TOPIC:
Does anyone else think it's somewhat cynical that the only ending in which Shep can survive is where you betray EDI and Legion, two of the character fans love most? Did the kid excplicitly mention Shep would die by choosing synthesis? I only recall he said Shep would die when choosing 'control.'

The theory that all conflict would dissapear if everyone was the same race is extremely wrong, even if it isn't a direct fascist ideology. It still has the basic premise that you are completely defined by your race.

Why in the name of starchild couldn't we fight the geth even if we're both half synthetic/half organic. Being the same race hasn't stopped white people from mass murdering each other.

[ZtalkerRM]

Edje Edgar wrote...
The theory that all conflict would dissapear if everyone was the same race is extremely wrong, even if it isn't a direct fascist ideology. It still has the basic premise that you are completely defined by your race.

Why in the name of starchild couldn't we fight the geth even if we're both half synthetic/half organic. Being the same race hasn't stopped white people from mass murdering each other.

You're right. In my previous reaction, I said synthesis is the least bad choice. Not a good one. But by forcing synthetic and organic life to fuse, you can at least hope they'll understand oneother better.
But realistically speaking, the green solution will lead to a Deus Ex:HR situation: How far will you go with the fusing? Should you go all the way or stay 'pure?' Some humans will want to be less synthetic, some will want to be more. Same goes for the machines. Like you said, it'll be war.

[Avissel]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

My reaction to that ending was "Evolution does not work that way."

[JrSlackin]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

THE GREEN SOLUTION-



{Spoilers}

I finished my playthrough with enough war assets to get all thee options.  I can away with the following question(s):

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

Did any of the writers think about this before they wrote the dialogue for the green ending?  Did they really mean all sentient life?  If so, at what level of intelligence, response, etc., does life become "sentient"?

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

Personally I've been thinking about it and honestly the Synthesis (green) ending is doing the Reapers job for them. In a nut shell if you think about it the Reapers are what they think the pinicale of evolution is by doing what we saw in ME2 (Which is breaking down the species and processing them into a "reaper core" making them both synthetic and organic.)

But yeah, think of Moridin in ME2 where he's talking about the Collectors when you ask if they can be saved when you come to the revloation that they were once Protheans. That is what came to my mind

[Trephinate]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

THE GREEN SOLUTION-



{Spoilers}

I finished my playthrough with enough war assets to get all thee options.  I can away with the following question(s):

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

Did any of the writers think about this before they wrote the dialogue for the green ending?  Did they really mean all sentient life?  If so, at what level of intelligence, response, etc., does life become "sentient"?

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

This solution brought forth more questions than it answered for me.

apologies if this has been said before, but from what i remember of the  final cutscene - when the normandy crash lands - you can see the foliage has circuit board designs as it parts to show jokertron et al. as to the rest of the ending speculation... well, mum's the word. what more can be said?

Modifié par Trephinate, 19 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[goatman42]

Wait! If one of the core themes of Mass Effect is that being diverse is good, then doesn't changing everyone's DNA to be similar spit in the face of that?

[AtlasMickey]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

So if I understood the 'god-child' correctly, all organic life and all synthetic life was to be mixed into a new "DNA."  Okay, so if that is true, then all the birds, bees, mammals, reptiles, grass, trees, fish, fowl and any other creature composed of carbon chains now has "green glowy eyes"  unless of course the  organic "life" doesn't have "eyes."

They meant intelligent life.

And then there was the flat delcaration that "evollution had ceased"  or "it was the final evolution."  I found that to be rather upsetting. One of the hallmarks of "life" as we know it is.....(drumroll please).....change, evolution.  Did the galaxy just get frozen in to permanent and unchanging species?  Will now nowthing new every arise from reproduction?

Evolution through blind forces of natural selection has ceased, yes. In other words it's the end of biological evolution. From that point forward, evolution is intelligently directed. 

[AtlasMickey]

goatman42 wrote...

Wait! If one of the core themes of Mass Effect is that being diverse is good, then doesn't changing everyone's DNA to be similar spit in the face of that?

No. Synthesis DNA, by virtue of its construction and direction through intelligence, can achieve infinite diversity in infinite complexity.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 19 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[goatman42]

AtlasMickey wrote...

goatman42 wrote...

Wait! If one of the core themes of Mass Effect is that being diverse is good, then doesn't changing everyone's DNA to be similar spit in the face of that?

No.  Synthesis DNA, by virtue of its construction and direction through intelligence, can achieve infinite diversity in infinite complexity, 

Ohh... they should have explained that better.

[AtlasMickey]

goatman42 wrote...

Ohh... they should have explained that better.

It's one of those abstractions they believe is evident. Think of all the things a computer can do. Not just modern computers but the most popwerful computer you can imagine. Then think of all the things human creativity can do. Put it together. Synthesis. The possibilities are limitless.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 19 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[ZtalkerRM]

AtlasMickey wrote...

goatman42 wrote...

Ohh... they should have explained that better.

It's one of those abstractions they believe is evident. Think of all the things a computer can do. Not just modern computers but the most popwerful computer you can imagine. Then think of all the things human creativity can do. Put it together. Synthesis. The possibilities are limitless.

When I saw that old man talking to his grandson after the credits, I thought the same. They seemed to be doing just fine, they didn't seem to be 'more machine then man' there. They didn't 'evolve' into mindless computers either. It at least justified my choice for synthesis.

But still...if you believe in 'true' evolotion, a species should adapt on it's own to get ontop of the foodchain. Struggle of life. Shepherd basically kicked everything up a step. I can only imagine what a cockroach with intelligent design behind it would evolve into...somekind of supermonster? Would snakes become even more poisonous? Would endangered animals adapt so fast that they become dominant again?

[eldertaco]

it still takes away free will in the matter, you are imposing this choice on everyone, i choice to change what the are at a fundamental level. not a very tolerant thing to do