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[Myrmedus]

Conclude a trilogy with answers, not questions. It's fine to have a couple of unexplained bits but don't go too far (like this ending).

Modifié par Myrmedus, 19 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[UnbornLeviathan]

 He TeeHee's when someone calls him a respected gaming whatever-ist. So yeah, I don't think he takes his videos particularly seriously.

Seems like it's just a vlog.

[Drake-Shepard]

dude. i don't agree with the reviewer either. But its his review. If you don't trust his opinion find a reviewer you trust. That's why there are many reviewers. Just don't pick IGN

[DemGeth]

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

[Wowlock]

Adanu wrote...

SO now anyone who liked the overall theme of the ending is a troll? Really helping your cause people.

You actually watched the video right ? If so you know this video is a waste of time for us.

It is based on insulting us...not even focused on the logical points of the ending.

It is a sad attempt to taunt us and it only deserves to be ignored...

[mawdudi]

The second I saw the word zeitgeist I stopped watching. Don't know if he is in anyway affiliated with the Zeitgeist-movement, but they're bunch of loonies who live in their own reality and I don't care enough to check out if that guys believes in the movement.

[Lightice_av]

Lugaidster wrote...

They (Bioware) are certainly taking a stab at trying to come up with the ultimate answer to transhumanism. If they didn't want to be judged by their poor attempt at it, they should've stayed clear of that path. But in either case, if you actually believe there's an issue between organics and synthetics beyond irreconcilable solution no option given solves it. Control only controls the reapers, not all synthetics. Synthesis only merges them right now, but that doesn't avoid future problems (what's worse is that the game was always fairly grounded for a sci-fi series, magic green light that merges live beings with machines is a whole lot to swallow). Destruction is what you came to do, but for an unfathomable reason it targets everything synthetic (so you can use the catalyst to control the reapers and the reapers only but you can't use it to destroy the reapers and the reapers only?).

If you control the Reapers, you can make them control other synthetics. They've certainly showed aptitude in that field before. The Catalyst believes that organic and synthetic will always come to conflict, it doesn't matter whether that's what you believe. That's why it insists on everything or nothing solution; it'll only agree to destruction if all synthetic lifeforms go with it. Nothing "unfathomable" there. As for Synthesis, it's the first step, nothing more, and it doesn't pretend to be more than that. The Reapers are still out there if this plan for coexistence goes banana shaped. And while it's a remarkable feat, I don't see it as any more incredible than the fact that the Reapers are perpetual motion machines, or that the Protheans are able to read personality imprints from thin air and make telepathic beacons. Mass Effect, while hard compared to say Star Wars, isn't really that hard scifi on objective scale. And I can buy molecular transformation from a sufficiently advanced alien in a setting like this.

What's more, there never was a need for them to provide an answer. Species were fighting for a chance to determine what that answer was through their own means. They didn't need to reveal what that was. The whole story was built on that.

As I said, it would've been more fitting if they actually said "screw you" and fought to the last man. Even if that meant that the reapers won. You built a character that stayed true to his principles, why have him betray that in his final test.

I don't see how you have to "betray your principles". There's plenty of principles to choose from in the three endings. Shepard has always been out to save lives in the large scale above everythng else. That's his/her dominant principle. And that's what you get to fulfill.

[Tamcia]

Clever? Yes, dramatic hamster on a 1 hour loop is also clever.

[Crusina]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

Ask yourself why is it not enough for them to like the ending? Why must they deride everyone who doesn't, and automatically assume we don't understand?
Because in the end they're trying to reassure themselves, reassure themselves of their own superior intelligence and that they really do like the game. It's a manufactured justification.

[/quote]Then stop acting superiour and intelligent yourself hypocrite.
[/quote]

Do please tell how I am doing that.

[/quote]You're assuming that people who like the ending are deluding themselves, you're assuming that because they defend it, they are dumb. You're assuming they all act the same way.

You're acting no better then the idiot who posted that video. Only seeing your side, only stating your side as the right anwser.





[quote]sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and
respectful of othr people's views. People on both sides have been at
fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a
lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

[/quote]Really?
because I haven't seen a single pro ending person threaeten to cut the
throats of the developers. I'd quote it, but amazon deleted the review. Both sides are at fault, but the larger, more vocal side needs to be the better person.

Threating to kill people over an ending if they don't change it, is not how the group in general handles itself. Most of them are civil and nice, if a bit overdramtic in my opinion. But Civil.

Likewise goes for the other side. There are people who ruin the image for both sides.

Modifié par Crusina, 19 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Drake-Shepard]

DemGeth wrote...

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

exactly..this is making 'gamers' look bad. Not helping. 

[Aligalipe]

Is it too much to ask for permission to insult that guy? I mean liking the ending is okay, but not giving a reason and calling those who don't like the endings and give very good reasons for it "stupid", that fills me with rage. I know I'm not the only one.

Modifié par Aligalipe, 19 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[sircaren]

DemGeth wrote...

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

Ah, so now Bioware is moderating youtube?

[UnbornLeviathan]

Wowlock wrote...

Adanu wrote...

SO now anyone who liked the overall theme of the ending is a troll? Really helping your cause people.

You actually watched the video right ? If so you know this video is a waste of time for us.

It is based on insulting us...not even focused on the logical points of the ending.

It is a sad attempt to taunt us and it only deserves to be ignored...

And then people say Angry Joe is just a tool even though his video has a thought out and poignent argument system in it. 

[pjotroos]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It is a bit of a double standard, don't you think, to suggest, request, and demand change so the game fits what you want the game to be, and then turn around and make fun of or belittle those who disagree with you?

Play nice, please.

I agree. I hate the ending, I consider it poorly made, but I'm not going to belittle anyone who likes it. This isn't just a case of double standards, this is just playing right into the hands of all those shouting "entitled". We don't own the franchise.

[The Angry One]

Crusina wrote...
You're assuming that people who like the ending are deluding themselves, you're assuming that because they defend it, they are dumb. You're assuming they all act the same way.

You're acting no better then the idiot who posted that video. Only seeing your side, only stating your side as the right anwser.

No. I'm saying that people WHO USE THE HIVE MIND/YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND/IT'S BEYOND YOU ARGUMENT are deluding themselves.

I specifically said there's nothing wrong with liking the ending. Just do not use faulty arguments. I hope this has been enlightening.

because I haven't seen a single pro ending person threaeten to cut the
throats of the developers. I'd quote it, but amazon deleted the review. Both sides are at fault, but the larger, more vocal side needs to be the better person.

Threating to kill people over an ending if they don't change it, is not how the group in general handles itself.

Threatening violence is foolish, and that does not represent those of us here.

[CasbynessPC]

It was clever how they fitted multiple endings into a single cutscene. Kind of like how in DA2 they fitted 500 "different" dungeons into a single map. Very clever.

[Tamcia]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It is a bit of a double standard, don't you think, to suggest, request, and demand change so the game fits what you want the game to be, and then turn around and make fun of or belittle those who disagree with you?

Play nice, please.

You mean like the ones that like the game demand it not be changed because it fits them? 

[Crusina]

sircaren wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

Ah, so now Bioware is moderating youtube?

Perfect example of someone who is acting like a dick on the other side.

[The Almighty Ali]

Settle down, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
You may not agree with them but you can respect their opinion.

[Brahlis]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It is a bit of a double standard, don't you think, to suggest, request, and demand change so the game fits what you want the we consitently told you the game (was going) to be, and then turn around and make fun of or belittle those who disagree with you?

Play nice, please.

Fixed it for you.

Modifié par Brahlis, 19 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Leonia]

I'll continue holding my "I support the ending opinion" to myself if cannot be taken seriously or respectfully around here. For those that share in the opinion, I wish you best of luck on these forums. You'll never be alone, never.

[Kloborgg711]

DemGeth wrote...

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

Yet again, all you could get away from the thread is we're bombing him because we "don't agree". It's not that he mocks us, or insinuates that we're simple-minded, it's that we disagree with him. Yep. That's the only reason. This happens every single condescending "you didn't understand it" thread. An OP posts an essay about how HE understood everything and loved, and how everyone else is either too stupid or just wanted a "fairy tale ending". We respond, sometimes heatedly (it's on an individual basis) and another pro-ending guy comes in to say
"stop flaming/trolling/mocking/etc him just because you don't agree!". You're missing the point.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 19 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[yahtzo]

Wow does he not know a thing hes talking about. Bomb his video with dislikes.

[DemGeth]

sircaren wrote...

DemGeth wrote...

sircaren wrote...

I agree we should all remain civil and respectful of other people's views. People on both sides have been at fault, but I have to say percentage-wise pro ending posts seem to be a lot more negative than those that are unhappy with the endings.

This post is about bombing a reviewer you don't agree with.


Yes....very nice......

Ah, so now Bioware is moderating youtube?

Ahhhhh so you're only civil on bioware forums and vile elsewhere is what you're saying?

[sircaren]

Crusina wrote...

Really?
because I haven't seen a single pro ending person threaeten to cut the
throats of the developers. I'd quote it, but amazon deleted the review. Both sides are at fault, but the larger, more vocal side needs to be the better person.

Threating to kill people over an ending if they don't change it, is not how the group in general handles itself. Most of them are civil and nice, if a bit overdramtic in my opinion. But Civil.

Likewise goes for the other side. There are people who ruin the image for both sides.

Every cause has it's extremists.  A few (yes, it is not very many compared to the rest of us) posters that are going overboard do not represent us.  No reason to reduce either side to the extremes, it accomplishes nothing.