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[StrawberryRainPop]

sadako wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

sadako wrote...

Yep, they were clever really... to appeal to the opposite end of the intelligence spectrum.

C'mon man, there's no need to belittle those that liked it. That doesn't distance us from the "entitled brats" claims.

Entitled brats? 

The fact that that term came out is mind-boggling. Heck, the more I consider it, the more strongly I feel that we should attack the fact that term was used to describe gamers. No matter what the reviewers may say,

Bioware/EA sells PRODUCTS, and when PRODUCTS do not MEET DEMANDS, people WILL COMPLAIN.
It's up to the company to ignore their customer complaints at their own peril. We are complaining, the PR machine is in full swing. Regardless of the outcome, I want the company to KNOW that we will not be ****ED OVER for a sh*tty product and do it lying down.

It's like saying we should never complain to our state reps/govt when they screw us over, because we're just being "entitled".

The more I stay in the forums, the more I feel that these companies are beginning to target the younger audiences, because they aren't clear on their rights.

Heck, I think the fact that most of the ME3 enthusiast not taking extreme measures just show that we still want to give ME a chance, and the more I think that their PR machine is pushing these types of review out, the more angry I get.

agreed, but as always, try to keep calm, drop him a comment if you want on his channel on how you feel, but try doing it politely.

[ZodiEmish]

Turtlicious wrote...

but he JUST did, he responded to MY comment with an open conversation.

WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW, please stop arguing with each other, you guys are going to tear this movement apart if you continue. Please, just... Don't do it. You both think the other is wrong and unreasonable right? So don't try.

Agreed. I am having a converstaion with him too.. He seems to belittling me when I asked ( nicely ) if he would be willing to make a video about why he liked the ending.

[Aligalipe]

OP can you please delete that link, you' re feeding that guy.

[xiaoassassin]

Anyone who thinks the ending was good is just stupid. My friend hated ME1, played through ME2 once, just finished ME3 and he still thought the ending was bollocks. He was a die-hard CoD player too. He skipped the majority of the convos whenever they seemed to drag on for too long. He sacrificed the Quarians but he laughed at Tali's suicide and was puzzled that the Geth VI had to die. He shot Mordin because I quote "dude was stopping me from getting salarians in my army." He has little to no connection to the characters!

Nonetheless, he still raged at the ending. He was still, at least, invested in his Shepard. His response at the ending was "What the **** just happened." He even asked me whether he missed something, or if he did something wrong.

If you like the endings, you're either an industry apologist (Bioware employees, some of the game reviewer press), a retard, or a person who's just so apathetic you can't even be bothered to express rage.

[Illusory_Enemy]

The ending, putting aside unconfirmed rumors, had so many logical discrepancies that three husks were fleeing from it, right before our eyes.

[StrawberryRainPop]

Turtlicious wrote...

but he JUST did, he responded to MY comment with an open conversation.

WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW, please stop arguing with each other, you guys are going to tear this movement apart if you continue. Please, just... Don't do it. You both think the other is wrong and unreasonable right? So don't try.

Yep, but he also did so after blocking a ton of people. That said, i agree on not "attacking" him. People are just upset because of the way he handled himself, and for insulting some of us so openly.

[DemGeth]

xiaoassassin wrote...

Anyone who thinks the ending was good is just stupid. My friend hated ME1, played through ME2 once, just finished ME3 and he still thought the ending was bollocks. He was a die-hard CoD player too. He skipped the majority of the convos whenever they seemed to drag on for too long. He sacrificed the Quarians but he laughed at Tali's suicide and was puzzled that the Geth VI had to die. He shot Mordin because I quote "dude was stopping me from getting salarians in my army." He has little to no connection to the characters!

Nonetheless, he still raged at the ending. He was still, at least, invested in his Shepard. His response at the ending was "What the **** just happened." He even asked me whether he missed something, or if he did something wrong.

If you like the endings, you're either an industry apologist (Bioware employees, some of the game reviewer press), a retard, or a person who's just so apathetic you can't even be bothered to express rage.

lol 

[Njald]

The ending was mildly clever back in 2000 when it was used in Deus Ex. A different game with a different theme and a different expectation. This ending is as misplaced in Mass Effect as Blade Runner ending would be in Star Wars or the other way around.

Modifié par Njald, 19 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Lugaidster]

Turtlicious wrote...

but he JUST did, he responded to MY comment with an open conversation.

WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW, please stop arguing with each other, you guys are going to tear this movement apart if you continue. Please, just... Don't do it. You both think the other is wrong and unreasonable right? So don't try.

Can you post a link please?

[Xrissie]

Oh no, a different opinion. Quick, insult it!

[Killer3000ad]

Illusory_Enemy wrote...

The ending, putting aside unconfirmed rumors, had so many logical discrepancies that three husks were fleeing from it, right before our eyes.

And one was trying to protect you from going on.

RIP Marauder Shields, your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

[Lightice_av]

Lugaidster wrote...
Let's see:

Destroy: Genocide of synthetics.
Control: Removal of freedom to synthetics.
Synthesis: Removal of freedom to organics and synthetics. 

You came here to ensure that every species would get the chance to shape their future as they saw fit. None of those options permit that. Furthermore, none of those options solve the problem of "creators vs created" in a permanent way which would mean that an alternative where the reapers (and only the reapers) simply don't exist is equally favorable given the conditions.

I actually believe that destroying the relays was ok though. Why fight for the chance to shape your future if you're going to depend on other's (reaper) technology.

How do you think the Synthesis robs freedom from anybody? People don't get to choose their cellular structure in any case. The point of the Synthesis is to expand upon the options at everybody's disposal. It's basically a gamble on the part of the Catalyst who acknowledges that no matter what, its solution to the dilemma at hand is quite horrifying and destructive. As such, it grants the option that forces both organics and synthetics to rethink their priorities, and actively seek philosophical consensus on their differences. It's by no means an absolute preventive measure towards a war, but it does rattle the status quo that the Catalyst has lived with for millions of years. It's an opportunity, nothing more, nothing less.

I also feel that there is an actual statement in there that you don't always get what you expect or wish for. Legion in ME2 insisted that the geth should build a future free of influence either from the Reapers or the organic species, but in ME3 it's forced to compromise in the name of survival and understanding, and absorb Reaper code into the geth consensus in order to save its people and grant them free will. It's a fairly clear case of foreshadowing towards the decision that Shepard must make in the end. From Shepard's perspective it would be great if everyone could just self-determine and go their own ways as they wish, but the Reapers and the Catalyst are facts that no-one can ignore. Compromises have to be made in the name of survival and future.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 19 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Lugaidster]

sadako wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

sadako wrote...

Yep, they were clever really... to appeal to the opposite end of the intelligence spectrum.

C'mon man, there's no need to belittle those that liked it. That doesn't distance us from the "entitled brats" claims.

Entitled brats? 

The fact that that term came out is mind-boggling. Heck, the more I consider it, the more strongly I feel that we should attack the fact that term was used to describe gamers. No matter what the reviewers may say,

Bioware/EA sells PRODUCTS, and when PRODUCTS do not MEET DEMANDS, people WILL COMPLAIN.
It's up to the company to ignore their customer complaints at their own peril. We are complaining, the PR machine is in full swing. Regardless of the outcome, I want the company to KNOW that we will not be ****ED OVER for a sh*tty product and do it lying down.

It's like saying we should never complain to our state reps/govt when they screw us over, because we're just being "entitled".

The more I stay in the forums, the more I feel that these companies are beginning to target the younger audiences, because they aren't clear on their rights.

Heck, I think the fact that most of the ME3 enthusiast not taking extreme measures just show that we still want to give ME a chance, and the more I think that their PR machine is pushing these types of review out, the more angry I get.

You didn't get it, did you? *sigh* Whatever... You win.

[The Angry One]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Illusory_Enemy wrote...

The ending, putting aside unconfirmed rumors, had so many logical discrepancies that three husks were fleeing from it, right before our eyes.

And one was trying to protect you from going on.

RIP Marauder Shields, your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

Husks: "RUN! RUN FROM THE PLOT HOLES!"

Marauder Shields: "Everybody flee! I will hold the line! Shepard! Wait! You musn--" *BLAM!*

o7

[HaesoME3]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Illusory_Enemy wrote...

The ending, putting aside unconfirmed rumors, had so many logical discrepancies that three husks were fleeing from it, right before our eyes.

And one was trying to protect you from going on.

RIP Marauder Shields, your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

He died holding the line.

[NekOoNinja]

Keep calm and do calibrations?

Isn't it actually fascinating that two parties with polar opposite opinions can discuss, and actually try to understand each other? They can still disagree, of course.

I, for one, am always interested in what people have to say why they liked what they saw, because I couldn't. So thanks for the link-age.

[ZodiEmish]

Lugaidster wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

but he JUST did, he responded to MY comment with an open conversation.

WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW, please stop arguing with each other, you guys are going to tear this movement apart if you continue. Please, just... Don't do it. You both think the other is wrong and unreasonable right? So don't try.

Can you post a link please?

He did say this


 I liked the cut-scene after the credits. It showed that while Shepard
may have killed off all Synthetics and possibly her life and the lives
of countless others, humanity did survive and rose up again, this time,
without the reapers. This is the first time when humanity may live
without the intervention of a third party to control them. They are now
free. This is what I took from the ending, and you may post this as my
response in the Bioware forum.

Modifié par ZodiEmish, 19 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[NoUserNameHere]

I unsubscribed to that channel shortly after it started favoriting sociopolitical screeds. Good call!

[MajorStranger]

I never agreed with this douche on anything. I don't see any difference with this review.

[StrawberryRainPop]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I unsubscribed to that channel shortly after it started favoriting sociopolitical screeds. Good call!

woah woah wait what?

Link?

[parrmi22]

Oh, the ending was clever alright. I don't think a man or woman here can claim they saw THAT coming.

[The Angry One]

ZodiEmish wrote...

 I liked the cut-scene after the credits. It showed that while Shepard
may have killed off all Synthetics and possibly her life and the lives
of countless others, humanity did survive and rose up again, this time,
without the reapers. This is the first time when humanity may live
without the intervention of a third party to control them. They are now
free. This is what I took from the ending, and you may post this as my
response in the Bioware forum.

Free to do what? Fumble about in the snow? Be so inbred from being descended from the Normandy crew that they're about to die out? Not be aware of the graveyard that is Sol and the billions of people Shepard betrayed by destroying the mass relays?

You think it's okay to destroy the galaxy, just so ONE pocket of humanity may eke out a subsistence level society on one planet? Is that what we fought for?

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It is a bit of a double standard, don't you think, to suggest, request, and demand change so the game fits what you want the game to be, and then turn around and make fun of or belittle those who disagree with you?

Play nice, please.

When someone disagrees, they have to say why.

[Lugaidster]

Lightice_av wrote...

How do you think the Synthesis robs freedom from anybody? People don't get to choose their cellular structure in any case. The point of the Synthesis is to expand upon the options at everybody's disposal. It's basically a gamble on the part of the Catalyst who acknowledges that no matter what, its solution to the dilemma at hand is quite horrifying and destructive. As such, it grants the option that forces both organics and synthetics to rethink their priorities, and actively seek philosophical consensus on their differences. It's by no means an absolute preventive measure towards a war, but it does rattle the status quo that the Catalyst has lived with for millions of years. It's an opportunity, nothing more, nothing less.

By fighting for each species to determine their future on their own, with synthesis you rob them of the choice of actually deciding that future. Instead, the decision is taken by a single human on the premise that it's going to solve a problem not proven to exist. 

Lightice_av wrote... 
I also feel that there is an actual statement in there that you don't always get what you expect or wish for. Legion in ME2 insisted that the geth should build a future free of influence either from the Reapers or the organic species, but in ME3 it's forced to compromise in the name of survival and understanding, and absorb Reaper code into the geth consensus in order to save its people and grant them free will. It's a fairly clear case of foreshadowing towards the decision that Shepard must make in the end. From Shepard's perspective it would be great if everyone could just self-determine and go their own ways as they wish, but the Reapers and the Catalyst are facts that no-one can ignore. Compromises have to be made in the name of survival and future.  

 

While that is true, that was his decision, and it should stay that way. By picking synthesis, Shepard is assuming every species on the galaxy, developed or not, involved in the conflict or not has to go that path. You didn't restore choice and you didn't break the status quo established by the reapers, they still got their way and you did nothing to prevent it.

As I said, to be fully consequential on the story, if you really want to keep the current Deus Ex Machina, one last option of saying "screw you" should've been there. Whether that dooms the entire galaxy or not, it's about as fair as any other option, as all of them doom it; albeit in a less immediate way.

Neither choice presented a real solution to the problem the reapers had and neither presented a real solution to what the species were fighting for (although I'll say that destroy is what made the most sense to me).

And then's the fact that there's no resolution or closure. You made a really hard choice and didn't get to see the outcome (because as I stated, no option is really good). Why go through the effort of providing amazing detail describing the galaxy and everything surrounding it and then no effort in showing how it ended? 

[Haiyato]

The Angry One wrote...

ZodiEmish wrote...

 I liked the cut-scene after the credits. It showed that while Shepard
may have killed off all Synthetics and possibly her life and the lives
of countless others, humanity did survive and rose up again, this time,
without the reapers. This is the first time when humanity may live
without the intervention of a third party to control them. They are now
free. This is what I took from the ending, and you may post this as my
response in the Bioware forum.

Free to do what? Fumble about in the snow? Be so inbred from being descended from the Normandy crew that they're about to die out? Not be aware of the graveyard that is Sol and the billions of people Shepard betrayed by destroying the mass relays?

You think it's okay to destroy the galaxy, just so ONE pocket of humanity may eke out a subsistence level society on one planet? Is that what we fought for?

Yea the whole inbred thing crossed my mind earlier lol.