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Lately seeing a lot of people like the endings...why?


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[quote]Bourne Endeavor wrote...


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I will list them in bullet form...
  • Why is Joker seen abandoning the fleet during the final confrontation?
  • How did the crew get aboard the Normandy while then subsequently fleeing?
  • We have established lore dictating the destruction of a Mass Relay would annihilate entire systems. Were they retconned... again?
  • With the Relays destroyed, the entire Galactic armada is now stranded on the Sol system.
  • Even if millennial aged species like the Asari and Krogan could endure travel for centuries. All other races have no such future. In addition, none have the supplies to survive a journey of that length. Therefore, everyone supporting Earth dies.
  • Shepard throughout the series has defined the odds. Sovereign spoke of how insignificant organics were, yet Shepard "found a way." Harbinger claimed organic 'processing' was humanity's destiny, yet once again Shepard "found a way." Now the Godchild provides three choices that ultimately have near identical outcomes and Shepard just... gives in? Two prior antagonists, he/she did everything to stop them however when the biggest threat of all was before him/her, Shepard resigns to acceptance?
  • Your crew is marooned on a planet with no hope for rescue. These people fought with you, in the trenches, and the conclusion is a slow demise either through starvation or inevitable lack of procreation?
  • The Synthesis ending blatantly dictates we must become one with synthetics otherwise our hope is lost. In essence, we merge with the Reapers. This contradictions the entire series theme of unity and perseverance. Organics were destined to lose and must merge with machine for a future.
  • Your choices spanning over three games amount to absolutely nothing. In fact, the War Assets you acquire accomplish little because you inevitably receive the same three choices with minimal variation.
  • In the "Good" Destroy ending. We supposedly see Shepard take a gasping breath, despite earlier having witnessed him/her incinerated.
That is why these endings are illogical. Nothing is resolved and more questions are raised than answers.
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1. Nobody could say for sure what the Crucible would do once it fired. It was possible that it would fry the entire system once it went off. The big battle for Earth was a fient, so sticking around once it powered up was unneccessary. Why would Joker (or anybody else) think that standing between the Death Star and its targets was a good idea?

My guess is that Normandy, being the fastest ship out there, made it through the Charon relay first.

2. Time elapsed between Harbinger decimating Hammer and the Crucible firing. Maybe somebody managed a quick search and rescue. Again, once the Citadel had been borded and the Crucible was in place, staying on Earth was no longer strategically required, and may have been a very bad idea. You evac who you can.

3. We don't have "established lore", we have a single data point. Overloading a relay with the Crucible may not have the same effect as crashing an asteroid into one. There's also relative distance between the relay and earth to consider.

Or maybe Earth was fried regardless. That would be a downer, but not a plot hole.

4. Assuming there was much of said armada left after the fight and the Crucible, yeah. So what? Not elaborated, but that doesn't make it a plot hole.

5. Yes, it's very sad, but so what? People were gonna die in this thing. You can't save everyone, remember? Not a plot hole.

6. Is this along the lines of "Paragon Shepard wouldn't have blown the relay in Arrival"? Its not giving in, its making due with the options available. We've been there before.

7. That's quite a supposition, given that we don't have any info on where that planet was, and the condition of Normandy's communication setup (QECs don't need comm buoys to make calls). Conventional FTL is still possible. And obviously somebody got there eventually.

8. So, you don't like the logic of a billion year old omnicidal AI? Then don't take synthesis. Trash the Reapers, or tell them to go back to hell.

IMO, its the weakest ending of the three, but so what? You don't have to take it if you don't agree with it.

9. Your choices meant everything in terms of getting the armada to that point, and how you put it together. I don't think that the lack of "here's the fate of X" epilogue slides invalidates that. YMMV.

So yeah, a lot of those people that you helped or saved along the way probably wound up killed offscreen. The Reapers are serious business. If the issue is that you want a happy ending where everyone lives, fair enough. Your preferance. But the lack of a happy ending for everyone doesn't consititute a plot hole.

10. Shepard's hard to kill. Ask anyone.

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The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game

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Luigitornado wrote...

This thread is stupid.

People have the right to like the ending.

I LIKE THE ENDING!


Perhaps you can explain, then, how the ending sequence is impacted by the different decisions made by a player throughout the series as the developers promised would occur.

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Not all of the "support" is genuine, I think. Some of it is quite possibly from plants bought and paid for just like IGN. See this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/10244422

Modifié par recentio, 19 mars 2012 - 03:18 .


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Ryokun1989 wrote...

The game's bigger themes are all addressed in the current ending and the entire series works up to this point. This is how I experienced the game, and you can't change that. 

I accept that there's a lot of people that don't like the ending for myriad reasons, but 
DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO INCREDIBLY BOORISH AND INSULTING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME?

Ye Gods...


When someone is standing outside, screaming at the top of his lungs, jumping up and down, yelling for help and that his house on fire--well, expecting calm and rational discourse from him on the nature of said fire, and whether it actually exists or not might be a bit naive on your part.

Many, perhaps even most, of us who found the endings deeply unsatisfying have been remaining civil and interested in honest communication.  You'll just have to ignore the significant minority who are utilizing their right to free speech to be angry at you for liking what they don't. 

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This is what Bioware is trying to wait out. Don't stop the movement. Retake Mass Effect. It's only been two weeks since the game launched and Bioware won't be doing a thing if they expect us to back down in the coming months/weeks.

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Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game


Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's no more valid than your own.

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Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game


Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


When, exactly, was what you describe explained in-game?

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recentio wrote...

Not all of the "support" is genuine, I think. Some of it is quite possibly from plants bought and paid for just like IGN. See this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/10244422


Your paranoia warms my heart.

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Because some people may have different opinions than the OP?

This.
I don't like ending(s) too, but i perfectly fine with people who likes it. 
Hell, i envy them. 
I don't see any problem here. 
*peace* :wizard:

Modifié par MissNet, 19 mars 2012 - 03:20 .


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I seen a review the other day of a guy who liked it, then admitted to not being a huge fan of the series and had never played the first two games.

Case closed Matlock.

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Because during the work and school hours many of what are termed "penny posters" show up. If you wait around to between 5-6 you'll see more of the hold the line movement pick and by around 8 it's in full swing. Then these guys tend to disappear.

Putting people up to posting about liking the ending is a good PR move for Bioware. I'm just not buying it, or anything else Bioware is selling at the moment.

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The people who like the endings are Bioware plants and trolls. >.< durp

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't understand it either. They go on about how "artistic" or "thought-provoking" it is, but they never expound on it. I sometimes wonder if it's people being contrary just to be contrary.

Honestly, I can't believe anyone who loves the Mass Effect series and has played through Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 could be okay with this.


They do expound upon it, frequently. They get ignored and called stupid.

For the record, I like the Catalyst and the Choice, am disappointed by the aftermath (ie: confusing and abrupt).

But calling people stupid for having a different opinion on what is essentially a matter of taste just reflects back on you, I'm afraid.

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Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game


Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!


When did he "test" Shepard? He just spewed a bunch of gobble-de-****** and then we limped off to our least hated choice. That's not a trial. That's a philosophical question for a dinner party: "If you had the power of god, would you..." That's not a trial. It's cheap and meaningless. The conversation with TIM was much more of a trial.

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I like the endings. Yes, I agree that there are questions to be answered. Yes, I have played ME 1 and 2 several times over. I have more than 10 save games to prove it. No, I am not an employee of Bioware, but I wish I was was...I would be making more money than I am now.

(I can see the snide comments coming now --->...you wouldn't have a job if you work there after this... :-P

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Dimensio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game


Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


When, exactly, was what you describe explained in-game?



cru·ci·ble   [kroo-suh-buhl]  Show IPAnoun3. a severe, searching test or trial.
"You have choice. More than you deserve. The fact that you are standing here, the first organic ever, proves it. But it also proves my solution won't work anymore."
"The crucible changed me. Created new possibilities"

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recentio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game


Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!


When did he "test" Shepard? He just spewed a bunch of gobble-de-****** and then we limped off to our least hated choice. That's not a trial. That's a philosophical question for a dinner party: "If you had the power of god, would you..." That's not a trial. It's cheap and meaningless. The conversation with TIM was much more of a trial.



For the entire length of three games!

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Am i clearly being paid by Bioware, how else could someone disagree with your perfect opinion

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YeGodz wrote...

recentio wrote...

Not all of the "support" is genuine, I think. Some of it is quite possibly from plants bought and paid for just like IGN. See this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/10244422


Your paranoia warms my heart.


It's not paranoia. I know some of it is genuine, but planting supporters *is* a typical political tactic.

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I never said I liked the endings, they're all awful and morbid.

The most recent one I had was -LESS- Morbid than my first.

I had visual confirmation that Tali *LI* and Garrus survived, when I had thought otherwise before, and I had the whole troll shepard breathing sequence.

That's like going from a 1/10 to a 1.5/10

then of course there's all the whiners who are like "baww tali and garrus will starve on that planet", I think theres a lot of agreeable complaints and speculation out there, but that one is just plain whiny

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Guys! You all WON. When you entered that room your actions over three games have given you the right to determine the fate of all life in the universe!

How is that possibly a bad ending? Sure there is a cost. Without the Reapers, there can be no Mass Relays. The entire system was set up by the Reapers. It's part of the Cycle of the solution. This is all explained in Mass Effect 1.

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God I wish I was getting paid. I could use their own money to buy more games.

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becasue people are slowly being indoctrinated by bioware and EA aka the reapers of our time! LOL :)