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[Syrellaris]

recentio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game

Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!

When did he "test" Shepard? He just spewed a bunch of gobble-de-****** and then we limped off to our least hated choice. That's not a trial. That's a philosophical question for a dinner party: "If you had the power of god, would you..." That's not a trial. It's cheap and meaningless. The conversation with TIM was much more of a trial.

No you all are trying to hard to find reasons to hate the endings, because simply put it did not live up to your expectations. In a result so much even that those who do think the endings are okay, or partially okay are considered Idiots, dumb, arrogant, naive etc.

Basically if we do not agree with what the haters stand for, we are stupid. That is currently the entire basis of this thread. It is this specific thing on which you, Shepard needs a vacation and even the OP and several others in this thread, ruin the civil work of the people in the Retake mass effect and  big PR stunt thread.

[TheMerchantMan]

The tendency is mostly contrarian.

People see so many people vibrantly upset with the ending and so because they didn't mind it, they defend it.

Most of the threads tend to go to the order of "Come on the ending isn't that bad!" theydefed it web though they admit it wasn't great because they feel the response was too angry. It's in their right.

The new influx is mostly of casual gamers, less involved and less aware of the hype with the series and more willing to forgive the plotholes. They often still do admit they exist, they just don't care or don't let it wreck their experience. I wish I could do the same.

[AtlasMickey]

Another thread where apparently my voice needs to be heard.

I love the whole Mass Effect series beginning-to-end, 100%, top-to-bottom, especially Mass Effect 3. I love the game, I love the ending, and I don't want anything changed.

If you don't believe I'm sincere, that I'm just trying to be "contrary," (a joke, since I'm plainly affirming the ending and it's the mob that's contrary) or you just wish that I would expand on why, click the link in my signature, where I claim the game couldn't have ended any other way.

Your line will fall.

[Kanon777]

Oh how I wish Bioware was paying me to deal with you dimwits.

[piemanz]

Yup, obviously I work for Bioware...

Also I like how some say I must be a casual gamer that just likes 'splosions' and i'm not a true fan of the series, and then some say i'm a fanboy....

I'm none of these things, I just liked the ending.

[AsheraII]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

Or maybe it's the people who took their time playing through the game (whether they played since ME1 or not) instead of racing through it are more and more completing it and showing their support to Bioware? With the complaints about the ending starting on day one already, I'd wager a lot of the disgruntled either have a worn out spacebar (wow, some Mass Effect fan those are, they REALLY took their time to immerse themselves into the story and lore), or simply didn't even reach the ending but just follow the "cool clan" based on some leaked footage.

[recentio]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

recentio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game

Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!

When did he "test" Shepard? He just spewed a bunch of gobble-de-****** and then we limped off to our least hated choice. That's not a trial. That's a philosophical question for a dinner party: "If you had the power of god, would you..." That's not a trial. It's cheap and meaningless. The conversation with TIM was much more of a trial.

For the entire length of three games!

The starchild was watching and manipulating Shepard's life for 3 games? Or just testing all organics to see if one emerged?

When he said that Shepard's cycle has "created new possiblities" because he's the first organic to build and enter the Crucible, why are all of those possiblities still 100% aligned with starchild's belief (which Shep just rolls over and accepts instead of questioning) that synthetic life is inherently evil and will always kill off the biological life that created it and the only way to truly stop this cycle is to eliminate differences between forms by merging them into a similar form?

[Joe1962]

MissNet wrote...

Remus A wrote...
Because some people may have different opinions than the OP?

This.
I don't like ending(s) too, but i perfectly fine with people who likes it. 
Hell, i envy them. 
I don't see any problem here. 
*peace* 

^This^

A classic strategy to defeat an opposition is to "Divide and conquer"

We who are unhappy with the endings must respect the opinions of those that do. Plants or not, it doesn't matter.

If we don't honor their opinions, how do we expect our opinions to be honored?

[Ryokun1989]

AtlasMickey!
We should get a tagline to, just as silly as 'hold the line'. How about 'The lot of you, so self-righteous!'

[Turtlicious]

Joe1962 wrote...

MissNet wrote...

Remus A wrote...
Because some people may have different opinions than the OP?

This.
I don't like ending(s) too, but i perfectly fine with people who likes it. 
Hell, i envy them. 
I don't see any problem here. 
*peace* 

^This^

A classic strategy to defeat an opposition is to "Divide and conquer"

We who are unhappy with the endings must respect the opinions of those that do. Plants or not, it doesn't matter.

If we don't honor their opinions, how do we expect our opinions to be honored?

I like the term Penny Poster better then plant, it just seems more derogative, but yes, I'll stop trolling them, I promise.

Now I'm bored.

[majormajormmajor]

tobito113 wrote...

Oh how I wish Bioware was paying me to deal with you dimwits.

Yes, that only makes the ones taking money prostitutes at the very worst.

You people doing it out of your own volition... I don't have the word to describe. Bootlicker maybe?

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 19 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Turtlicious]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

AtlasMickey!
We should get a tagline to, just as silly as 'hold the line'. How about 'The lot of you, so self-righteous!'

How about, "Don't be a dick"?

[Genera1Nemesis]

tmsolberg wrote...

I think the main difference between the "haters" and the "likers" is this;
"Ending likers" just play the game for the action. No time to think about stuff, just play through and go back to #insert any COD-title here".
"Ending haters" reflect on what they are experiencing, read the codex, play the game with lore in mind. "Ending haters" take a part in the wonderful world.

Thats what I think, anyway.


Hold the line!

PS. I have been a huge Bioware fan and I really enjoy the ME series. But if this isn't fixed I really don't think I'll buy more Bioware titles... Tragic really.

Really. Let's see; I've played ME1 5 times (granted I haven't played it in over three years) ME2 4 times (last playthrough 1 week before ME3 release) and I've played ME3 2 times now (and have just started 3rd on insanity)
I still found that I liked the ending the more I delved into its themes and began noticing that there are a lot of stories (small ones with very little dialogue, passerby conversations if you will) and big ones (Geth quests; EDI and the nature of true Artificial Intelligence) that led to this 'revelation' at the end as it were.

That said; while I did enjoy the end thematically and found it brought to light the very real possiblity of technological singularity, and our limited perception beyond such an event. I did find there were flaws in it that cannot be ignored (such as Normandy crew outcome) and the introduction of and subsequently lack of any real info regarding Catalyst's true role (is it AI; VI; an organic mind?) Also I would like to note that I was extremely disappointed that there was never a true epilogue of sorts regarding my crew; and while this was Shep's story I grew to care about these people and wish to know if they turn out alright.

Saying that people who liked; or found a profound meaning in the ending; are not true fans is a disservice to the cause of getting additional ending DLC (more ME is more ME in my opinion) and it certainly shows a complete and utter contempt and ignorance as you attempt to justify your stance on the subject.

By the way, I haven't played a CoD game in four years; just thought I'd like to add that since the idea of anyone being a COD players seems to indicate; again rather ignnoranty; that a person has a low intelligence.


P.s. I've also read the novels (except the last one because I'm waiting on the revised edition they are working on)

Modifié par Genera1Nemesis, 19 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[ExpletiusUk]

Cirreus wrote...

The general mass (no pun) of average joes are finishing up the game. They likely don't have the committment of the series some of us do & finishing up Mass Effect is just another check box off the list of things to do. For me (and I'm sure many others) Mass Effect's appeal is in the replays ... lots of them. I don't think that is the case with the average consumer.

Sorry so you're saying that as I played ME1 six times through, ME2 five times through. Have nearly all the DLC for both titles and continually pick the series up several times over the last few years and am already on my second playthrough but because I actually like the ending I don't have a level of commitment to the game?

I'm actually laughing now

[Arthorius]

I don't understand how anyone could like the ending we got, but that's no reason to call them stupid. If anything, we are the ones who cannot comprehend them.

[Kastrenzo]

dos1990 wrote...

becasue people are slowly being indoctrinated by bioware and EA aka the reapers of our time! LOL

I don't think so,

They didn't impress me with their COD Like Battlefield 3 Upcoming DLC.
Now I have even more reason not to buy it.

[Keltikone]

Apparantly, a lot of people like pickled eggs and many more enjoy tripe. Personally I can't stand either as even the very idea of eating them makes no sense to me. Guess those people have way stronger stomachs than I do.

[Ryokun1989]

recentio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

recentio wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

The only people who like the ending are actually kidding themselves, you were lied to all along if you actually like the ending explain why becasue there is nothing to like about it, the endings totally contradict the entire first game and the ME cannon so there should be nothing to like about it unless ME3 is your first ME game

Screw you.

We've explained over and over. The crucible is a trial. The god kid isn't just trying to destroy organics (there was little actually stopping him even when you get into the Citadel, now is there?), he's testing the organics.


The lot of you, so self-righteous!

When did he "test" Shepard? He just spewed a bunch of gobble-de-****** and then we limped off to our least hated choice. That's not a trial. That's a philosophical question for a dinner party: "If you had the power of god, would you..." That's not a trial. It's cheap and meaningless. The conversation with TIM was much more of a trial.

For the entire length of three games!

The starchild was watching and manipulating Shepard's life for 3 games? Or just testing all organics to see if one emerged?

When he said that Shepard's cycle has "created new possiblities" because he's the first organic to build and enter the Crucible, why are all of those possiblities still 100% aligned with starchild's belief (which Shep just rolls over and accepts instead of questioning) that synthetic life is inherently evil and will always kill off the biological life that created it and the only way to truly stop this cycle is to eliminate differences between forms by merging them into a similar form?

This isn't the 'starchild's belief', it's part of the entire premise of the Mass Effect universe.
The Creators will Rebel against the Created.

The races of this cycle are rebelling against the Reapers; even though they were 'created' by the Protheans being wiped out. The prothean talks about THEIR synthetic rebellion and there's a reason true AI isn't allowed by the Citadel Council. Nevertheless, over the course of the Mass Effect series we see more and more AIs popping up. This is the technological singularity.

Synthesis isn't about eliminating differences (all differences are still there, you can see that in the ending), it's about making them equal rather than one subservient to the other (either robot slaves or robot masters). 

The distinction between synthetic and organic ceases to exist; that is all.

[Jerryk72]

 I think things would have been different had the endings not been leaked. You are seeing as much now with more and more people coming out and saying they enjoyed the ending. It's all about expectation. People expected X to happen, when it didn't they got upset. The more vocal people started rallying others to their cause. So rather than give the endings your own fair assessment of them, people were swayed by the growing majority of people who hated the ending. 

I've always considered the end of Mass Effect 3 to be the end of Shepard's story only.  From what I've read on here, others wanted a fully closed story, so it would be the end of all things Mass Effect. That was never Biowares intention. Of course, they won't admit anything at this point about any future plans other than the year of supporting DLC for ME3.

So, ultimately, I forgave the plotholes of Joker (although in my playthrough I was pretty jerky to him and it made sense for him to bail on me) and the crew running away and all the other little things because I figured those would be resolved with later DLC or Novels or whatever. The one issue I had with the ending was the barftastic epilogue.

I understand peoples frustrations with the endings. But as I'm sure it's been said a couple thousand times now, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You don't have to agree and you shouldn't try to understand or you'll drive yourself crazy..

[Phattee Buttz]

I think it's because the more casual fans, the ones less invested in the story, are just now arriving at the ending.

[ergonomalous]

The OP could be one of....them. Planted here to make the people who hate the game look bad while enraging the people that do like it.

I personally don't like the ending but i have not insulted anyone who has. I am actually quite envious.

edit: meant to say 'have not'

Modifié par ergonomalous, 19 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Genera1Nemesis]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

I think it's because the more casual fans, the ones less invested in the story, are just now arriving at the ending.

Wow, and Bioware said they wanted speculation but I'm sure they never meant this kind.

The game was released at later times in many countries; does that mean they are 'casual' because they didn't get it until much later than North Americans?

[smegmalongbeach]

Shalstev wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Once the movement became so over-the-top as to start filing FTC complaints, they basically became a laughing stock and for good reason.
Don't be surprised if a lot of would-be supporters of alternate endings start distancing themselves when a movement starts crossing certain lines.

The movement did not file the FTC complaint. That was one forum member, and we do not support his action.

do you support:

bashing the game in reveiws soley based on the ending and not the game

insulting and harrassing bioware and its employees

calling for casey hudson to be fired, i mean really the man who brought you kotor and mass effect and you want him fired

saying mac walters is a hack writer

spreading lies about the "original ending"

insulting anyone with a diffrent opinoin about the endings

refusing to reply or acknowledge any discussion about the ending unless its indoctrination theory

ignoring everything in the game except the last 20 minutes

because I feel that no real mass effect fan or bioware fan would do any of these things

retake mass effect is a bandwagon people are jumping on not a movement by fans, there is more to being a fan then saying you like mass effect. some of you might actually be fans but that is not enough and nothing from your "movement" has shown any coherency or what you are really asking bioware to do.

[Xarathos]

The problem seems to be largely that we're analyzing the ending from two completely different viewpoints.

As far as I can tell, the ending 'likers' seem to believe that the ending must be evaluated subjectively, and that therefore their interpritation of the ending makes it 'good' - at least for them. And so far as subjective judgements go, they're right - that's the definition of subjective. There's also a group of them who are part of the 'indoctrination' theory camp, but have reached the conclusion that because an analysis of the endings that explains some of our objections is possible (and exists) that this makes the ending 'good.'

As near as I can tell, most of the ending 'haters' (including myself in that category) seem to believe that the ending can be analyzed objectively, and that it is objectively bad.  In my specific case, I am a design student, and as such I also reject the belief that there is no objective standard on which art can be judged.

Neither is stupid. Just different.

And then there is a small group on BOTH sides who are doing their best to troll everyone. Because that's just how the internet works. These people will go about attempting to provoke a reaction from the other side with comments like, "you just don't understand the ending," or "you're showing signs of gamer entitlement! Wah!"

And before someone from the other side jumps on me, I do enjoy literary analysis. That's why I believe firmly that writing can be evaluated objectively, and why I've come to the conclusion that this ending is objectively bad. Because I reject the themes it presents; I reject the last minute villain reveal; and yes, in terms of a game I want to play multiple times, I feel very strongly that a 'happy' ending should be an OPTION for those who are willing to put in the work to pursue it.

If you liked it, fine. Noone can take that away from you.

There is no reason we cannot be civil about this. Let's keep the name calling to a minimum, please. Nobody is the enemy here. This is not a war. It is a ... how to phrase? A philosophical disagreement. Over a video game.

Modifié par Xarathos, 19 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[SnakeSNMF]

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