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[ExpletiusUk]

Regarding the OP's first point: It's a backlash to the fan backlash I think.

Also the majority of the people who were ok with the ending probably aren't even aware this is discussion is happening as they're either replaying or are now playing something else now.

I'd be interested to see what the representation of total sales to those of us discussing this on the forum/facebook etc is

Why I'm now posting that I like the ending: I'm quiet and don't like to make a fuss. But seeing large amounts of people say that because I like the ending I'm either stupid or not committed to the series ticks me off.

So it rouses me to actually post on the forums for the first time.

[Genera1Nemesis]

SnakeSNMF wrote...

Bioware employees posting on the forums and Facebook.

That must be it. And the lizard people are controlling our governments also....

[majormajormmajor]

ExpletiusUk wrote...
Why I'm now posting that I like the ending: I'm quiet and don't like to make a fuss. But seeing large amounts of people say that because I like the ending I'm either stupid or not committed to the series ticks me off.

Your side has been smearing the other as entitled and hysterical from the get go. I too refrained from comment until it began. You are being treated as you deserve, swine.

[AzaZeLgaming]

... no point to call ppl stupid over what they liked or what they didn't. However, those who liked the ending, are not so much aware about the Lore or the ignore it completely ... since if you follow and accept the established Lore, then you cannot like the ending since it blatantly contradicts the Lore. So, ppl can like then ending based on ignorance or purely emotional reasons.

Everyone should read this following document about the ending and why it doesn't make any sense in the context of MEU.

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Modifié par AzaZeLgaming, 19 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[Xarathos]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

Shalstev wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Once the movement became so over-the-top as to start filing FTC complaints, they basically became a laughing stock and for good reason.
Don't be surprised if a lot of would-be supporters of alternate endings start distancing themselves when a movement starts crossing certain lines.

The movement did not file the FTC complaint. That was one forum member, and we do not support his action.

do you support:

bashing the game in reveiws soley based on the ending and not the game

insulting and harrassing bioware and its employees

calling for casey hudson to be fired, i mean really the man who brought you kotor and mass effect and you want him fired

saying mac walters is a hack writer

spreading lies about the "original ending"

insulting anyone with a diffrent opinoin about the endings

refusing to reply or acknowledge any discussion about the ending unless its indoctrination theory

ignoring everything in the game except the last 20 minutes

because I feel that no real mass effect fan or bioware fan would do any of these things

retake mass effect is a bandwagon people are jumping on not a movement by fans, there is more to being a fan then saying you like mass effect. some of you might actually be fans but that is not enough and nothing from your "movement" has shown any coherency or what you are really asking bioware to do.

In order; no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

Nobody is ignoring the rest of the game, and most of us have kept this fairly impersonal. Within any movement there will always be some who take things too far, and there will always be those who stand up against that sort of excess.

You're generalizing. We are not amused.

[Hernok]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

Shalstev wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Once the movement became so over-the-top as to start filing FTC complaints, they basically became a laughing stock and for good reason.
Don't be surprised if a lot of would-be supporters of alternate endings start distancing themselves when a movement starts crossing certain lines.

The movement did not file the FTC complaint. That was one forum member, and we do not support his action.

do you support:

bashing the game in reveiws soley based on the ending and not the game

insulting and harrassing bioware and its employees

calling for casey hudson to be fired, i mean really the man who brought you kotor and mass effect and you want him fired

saying mac walters is a hack writer

spreading lies about the "original ending"

insulting anyone with a diffrent opinoin about the endings

refusing to reply or acknowledge any discussion about the ending unless its indoctrination theory

ignoring everything in the game except the last 20 minutes

because I feel that no real mass effect fan or bioware fan would do any of these things

retake mass effect is a bandwagon people are jumping on not a movement by fans, there is more to being a fan then saying you like mass effect. some of you might actually be fans but that is not enough and nothing from your "movement" has shown any coherency or what you are really asking bioware to do.

+1

[Ryokun1989]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

Shalstev wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Once the movement became so over-the-top as to start filing FTC complaints, they basically became a laughing stock and for good reason.
Don't be surprised if a lot of would-be supporters of alternate endings start distancing themselves when a movement starts crossing certain lines.

The movement did not file the FTC complaint. That was one forum member, and we do not support his action.

do you support:

bashing the game in reveiws soley based on the ending and not the game

insulting and harrassing bioware and its employees

calling for casey hudson to be fired, i mean really the man who brought you kotor and mass effect and you want him fired

saying mac walters is a hack writer

spreading lies about the "original ending"

insulting anyone with a diffrent opinoin about the endings

refusing to reply or acknowledge any discussion about the ending unless its indoctrination theory

ignoring everything in the game except the last 20 minutes

because I feel that no real mass effect fan or bioware fan would do any of these things

retake mass effect is a bandwagon people are jumping on not a movement by fans, there is more to being a fan then saying you like mass effect. some of you might actually be fans but that is not enough and nothing from your "movement" has shown any coherency or what you are really asking bioware to do.

[smegmalongbeach]

majormajormmajor wrote...

ExpletiusUk wrote...
Why I'm now posting that I like the ending: I'm quiet and don't like to make a fuss. But seeing large amounts of people say that because I like the ending I'm either stupid or not committed to the series ticks me off.

Your side has been smearing the other as entitled and hysterical from the get go. I too refrained from comment until it began. You are being treated as you deserve, swine.

because there was no over reaction or entitlement in the things people were posting. you have all handled yourselves so maturely and have really respected mass effect as a development team and as a series.

lets all get upset because we got called entilteled brats because we were reacting to the ending so maturely. we are so picked on as gamers and forum posters, please feel bad for us

[Xarathos]

majormajormmajor wrote...

ExpletiusUk wrote...
Why I'm now posting that I like the ending: I'm quiet and don't like to make a fuss. But seeing large amounts of people say that because I like the ending I'm either stupid or not committed to the series ticks me off.

Your side has been smearing the other as entitled and hysterical from the get go. I too refrained from comment until it began. You are being treated as you deserve, swine.

This kind of behavior makes us look bad. Please don't stoop to it. ExpletiusUk's specific point is completely understandable and reasonable, and painting him with the same brush as the rude ones is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about - it's exactly what many of them do to us. Why on Earth would we want to do it back when we KNOW how bad it feels?

ExpletiusUk: I apologize. I hope you won't assume that we all think this way.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

no one likes the ending its just bioware employees posting that they like it

[Lightice_av]

Why is Joker seen abandoning the fleet during the final confrontation?

How did the crew get aboard the Normandy while then subsequently fleeing?

We have established lore dictating the destruction of a Mass Relay would annihilate entire systems. Were they retconned... again?

With the Relays destroyed, the entire Galactic armada is now stranded on the Sol system.

Even if millennial aged species like the Asari and Krogan could endure travel for centuries. All other races have no such future. In addition, none have the supplies to survive a journey of that length. Therefore, everyone supporting Earth dies.

Shepard throughout the series has defined the odds. Sovereign spoke of how insignificant organics were, yet Shepard "found a way." Harbinger claimed organic 'processing' was humanity's destiny, yet once again Shepard "found a way." Now the Godchild provides three choices that ultimately have near identical outcomes and Shepard just... gives in? Two prior antagonists, he/she did everything to stop them however when the biggest threat of all was before him/her, Shepard resigns to acceptance?

Your crew is marooned on a planet with no hope for rescue. These people fought with you, in the trenches, and the conclusion is a slow demise either through starvation or inevitable lack of procreation?

The Synthesis ending blatantly dictates we must become one with synthetics otherwise our hope is lost. In essence, we merge with the Reapers. This contradictions the entire series theme of unity and perseverance. Organics were destined to lose and must merge with machine for a future.

Your choices spanning over three games amount to absolutely nothing. In fact, the War Assets you acquire accomplish little because you inevitably receive the same three choices with minimal variation.

In the "Good" Destroy ending. We supposedly see Shepard take a gasping breath, despite earlier having witnessed him/her incinerated.

Raising questions is not the same as "illogical". Most of these questions can be answered with perfectly straightforward logic:

1. Joker flees because as far as he can tell, Shepard has just failed and everything is falling apart. He wants to save as much as possible for the future.

2. Plenty of time. We don't know how long Shepard had been unconscious. Presumably they were called aboard in case their help was needed.

3. Most simple and straightforward: the energy that would normally go into a massive explosion is now going into the distribution of the Crucible's energy, instead. Not that it would matter; most Mass Relays are far from inhabited planets. The Sol Relay for example is orbiting Pluto.

4. That everything did not go perfectly for everybody is "illogical" now? What brand of logic are you using? Yes, the destruction of the Relays means trouble, but it also means freedom of the Reapers' subtle control of the technology and culture of the galactic civilization. Anyway, who says that the Relays can't be rebuilt with information gained from the Reapers or their corpses?

5. Shepard is close to death, the plan is close to failure, and the civilization is close to be doomed. Shepard does the only thing s/he can to save the world.

6. They aren't marooned on the planet forever. They have the quantum entanglement communicator, and knowledge that the galaxy made it. It may take quite some time, but they'll be saved eventually. But again, the fact that something doesn't go perfectly isn't "illogical".

7. The ending is your decision, influenced by the Catalyst. If you disagree with its assessment, you are free to pick Control or Destruction instead. It's your choice on how to view the synthetics and how to deal with them. If you think that you can persevere without them or take control of them, don't choose Synthesis. Personally I find it the best option, however.

8. There is a bad ending where the Crucible misfires if you didn't have enough resources. It destroys all life in the galaxy. There's also the end where Anderson survives if you had enough resources. And all the decisions you made still count; the "ending" is not just the last five minutes at the end of the game.

9. Being swallowed by the energy =/= incinerated.

Incidentally, I own two of the Collector's Editions and have bought each game at the launch date. I'm tired of being called a "casual fan" just because I didn't hate the ending.

[Gunslinger01101]

chmarr wrote...

the only people that are loving the endings are either

A)- new accounts that are just made within the last week
- are really bioware /EA staff doing damage control covertly but are making it blatintly obvious

Completely False!

See, e.g. me. You can take your elitist jack***ery and put it in your pipe, and then smoke it.

[Yippie-kai-ay]

I personally would like the endings if it weren't for the plot holes. I don't mind not knowing the answer to all of the mysteries of the galaxy. I don't even mind that I have to die or pick the three options. I even accept the justification for the reapers (specifically that they destroy all ADVANCED organic life to prevent total annihilation of organics).

I do mind my crew, part of which I saw die, on board the normandy running away from the fight. I also don't like that the massive fleet I gathered is now stuck at earth with no way home w/o the relays (unless you chose the synthesis ending and assume that, using reaper tech, they manage to make the long journey home, which would still take forever because Reapers travel 30 light-years a day at their top speed).

All in all, I didn't mind the tone or theme of the ending, just the confusing plot whole filled cutscene afterwords.

[vigna]

Opinions are like reverse induction ports...everyone has one.

[Bojan1es]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Another thread where apparently my voice needs to be heard.

I love the whole Mass Effect series beginning-to-end, 100%, top-to-bottom, especially Mass Effect 3. I love the game, I love the ending, and I don't want anything changed.

If you don't believe I'm sincere, that I'm just trying to be "contrary," (a joke, since I'm plainly affirming the ending and it's the mob that's contrary) or you just wish that I would expand on why, click the link in my signature, where I claim the game couldn't have ended any other way.

Your line will fall.

I have just read all of the post linked in your sig. You do make some very good points about the three choices and yes I also love each of the games almost 100%.. but what is your views on all the plot holes? You must have seen them.. Joker running away, crew members by magic appearing on the Normandy when they were dead in London? Mass Relays destroying each solar system (because that what they do when destoryed).

It is all well and good enjoying the endings but you seem to have no clue to what we are going on about, try broaching the problems that we have raised.. and to do that you might want to get off that high horse.. cant be easy to see the monitor from there!

[chibilombax]

I'd only call them stupid if they don't elaborate on it.

"The endings were great!"
"Why?"
" 8D "  ( just suppose to be a goofy face ) 

Doesn't really help your viewpoint. 

[majormajormmajor]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

because there was no over reaction or entitlement in the things people were posting. you have all handled yourselves so maturely and have really respected mass effect as a development team and as a series.

lets all get upset because we got called entilteled brats because we were reacting to the ending so maturely. we are so picked on as gamers and forum posters, please feel bad for us

typical ending-loving puke rhetoric. In the absence of proof they resort to slander, and now squeal like little pigs when they find themselves on the receiving end.

[Gunslinger01101]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

AtlasMickey!
We should get a tagline to, just as silly as 'hold the line'. How about 'The lot of you, so self-righteous!'

I noticed both of your sig lines. Maybe I'll put one in there too, like "If you want exposition soup, go play Alan Wake, I'll take my thought souffle!" Maybe that's too 'elitist.'

[RogueBot]

kunzite wrote...

I wouldnt call people stupid, just because they liked the endings. People have differing opinions, and their opinion is just as valid as yours, or as mine, or as someone elses. No wonder people think we're whining.

That. I'm pretty sure we've all been in a situation where our opinion differs greatly from the majority. That doesn't mean we're "stupid", and it doesn't mean people who like the ending are stupid either.

[GhostlyMaiden]

AzaZeLgaming wrote...

... no point to call ppl stupid over what they liked or what they didn't. However, those who liked the ending, are not so much aware about the Lore or the ignore it completely ... since if you follow and accept the established Lore, then you cannot like the ending since it blatantly contradicts the Lore. So, ppl can like then ending based on ignorance or purely emotional reasons.

And yet, despite the fact that I picked up the first game within a month after its release, I had predicted 85% of the ending that actually came to be five years ago.

-The Mass Relays were going to be destroyed.
-There would be a master controller of the Reapers.
-Two of the final decisions would be to either control or destroy the reapers.

Where I was wrong:

-The master controller was not a final boss.
-The third option ended up being synthesis, not simply allowing the Reapers to harvest the galaxy.

I've followed the lore, read the codex, played 18 completionist playthroughs of ME1 (thank god those matriarch tags actually amounted to something), and still don't hate the ending. Hence why I've been saying the ending is cliche and unoriginal. I was disappointed that BioWare didn't surprise me at worst.

[Gunslinger01101]

majormajormmajor wrote...

smegmalongbeach wrote...

because there was no over reaction or entitlement in the things people were posting. you have all handled yourselves so maturely and have really respected mass effect as a development team and as a series.

lets all get upset because we got called entilteled brats because we were reacting to the ending so maturely. we are so picked on as gamers and forum posters, please feel bad for us

typical ending-loving puke rhetoric. In the absence of proof they resort to slander, and now squeal like little pigs when they find themselves on the receiving end.

Wut?


...Absence of proof? I could link about two dozen threads that itemize the proof behind the Indoctrination Theory. You have failed to counter a single item. Sooooooo....I guess:

"In the absence of proof they resort to slander, and now squeal like little pigs when they find themselves on the receiving end."

applies to you.

Edit: LAWL I also notice your account only has ME3 on it. LAWL Johnny come lately much? Wheres ur DA, DA2, ME2, Awakening, uf you're such a vet? LAWL

Modifié par Gunslinger01101, 19 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[Lightice_av]

I have just read all of the post linked in your sig. You do make some very good points about the three choices and yes I also love each of the games almost 100%.. but what is your views on all the plot holes? You must have seen them.. Joker running away, crew members by magic appearing on the Normandy when they were dead in London? Mass Relays destroying each solar system (because that what they do when destoryed).

Joker runs away because he has every reason to think that you failed. The Mass Relays convert their energy into Crucible energy, not explosions (and they aren't close enough to destroy most inhabited planets anyway; most are on the far edges of star systems). As for the dead crewmates, I call a plain and simple glitch, not a wierd plot point.

[shnellegaming]

Not according to the IGN Facebook page poll

IGN Facebook ME3 Ending Poll

[crimsontotem]

let this kind of thing flush away people, it only angers us haha

seriously tho, your choices didn't matter at all... AT ALL! it didn't matter u saved krogan or killed geth or quarians or what not. Mass Relays gone, Shepard dies, Normandy is in some post garden world which they safely landed after getting stranded in the mid space. 

Modifié par crimsontotem, 19 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Gunslinger01101]

chibilombax wrote...

I'd only call them stupid if they don't elaborate on it.

"The endings were great!"
"Why?"
" 8D "  ( just suppose to be a goofy face ) 

Doesn't really help your viewpoint. 

I can tell you that any proponent of the indoctrination theory...which is most of the people who liked the endings, has given ample proof, itemized about why indoctrination theory is correct. All they get in response is "WRONG!"

So....yeah.... Do I really have to say it?