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[Gunslinger01101]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I just finished the game a day ago, and I bet a lot of other people are probobly just finishing the game too. Many people have work/school/families and other things to worry about and don't have the time to beat a 50 hour game in a week. Also, some people actually really like to take their time with games and not rush them, especially a game that like Mass Effect.

I know that I will get flamed for this, but I also believe that the types of people with other obligations outside of video games, or those who like to really take their time playing, are usually the same people who will be more reasonable about the discrepencies in a game.

yeah, I would actually argue that anyone that consumed ME3 in like a day has a lesser appreciation for the nuances of the genre, and of the series, as they probably did the same thing with 1 and 2. So you don't get all the little detail, stopping and listening to all the conversations that just happen without your interaction, making sure you explore everywhere, making sure you talk to everyone...

[majormajormmajor]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

sure guy, proof of what? 

the posts made here and on twitter about the ending were largly insulting to the development team and came off as entiltled brats complaining it didnt end the way they wanted so the media called them on it and now you act like you were all respectful and acted maturely but that did not happen you got called entitled for acting entitled not for not liking the ending. it wasnt till after that people started trying to make respectful complaints about the ending but the damage had already been done. thats why the ending hate is looked at negatively by alot of people.

yeah and bioware siccing prostitutes like Ben Kuchera and Luke Plunkett on them had nothing to do with it

This present lack of restraint was caused by the treatment they got

But keep pretending you and your goddamned ilk were innocent in all this

[Gunslinger01101]

majormajormmajor wrote...

smegmalongbeach wrote...

sure guy, proof of what? 

the posts made here and on twitter about the ending were largly insulting to the development team and came off as entiltled brats complaining it didnt end the way they wanted so the media called them on it and now you act like you were all respectful and acted maturely but that did not happen you got called entitled for acting entitled not for not liking the ending. it wasnt till after that people started trying to make respectful complaints about the ending but the damage had already been done. thats why the ending hate is looked at negatively by alot of people.

yeah and bioware siccing prostitutes like Ben Kuchera and Luke Plunkett on them had nothing to do with it

This present lack of restraint was caused by the treatment they got

But keep pretending you and your goddamned ilk were innocent in all this

A) What are you even talking about.

Now you're definitely getting reported.

[saracen16]

nomoredruggs wrote...

Why not?

And yes, I wouldn't call them stupid for liking the endings, one could equally say we're stupid for not liking them....

As for why, I don't know, maybe they interpret them in a way that is satisfying to them.

On that, we can agree, and I'm sick of seeing these threads popping up that say, "Why should you like the endings?"

It's as if it's a crime to have an opinion on the ending.

[I can Hackett]

They're paid by bioware to say that

[Caz Neerg]

Somebody probably already said this, but if you check the polls, the percentages are holding steady. There are just more people who like the ending because there are more people who have finished the game, so it's two percent of a larger group.

[Gunslinger01101]

I can Hackett wrote...

They're paid by bioware to say that

Hahahahahahahahaha. Where's my cheque?

[Torrible]

majormajormmajor wrote...

smegmalongbeach wrote...

sure guy, proof of what? 

the posts made here and on twitter about the ending were largly insulting to the development team and came off as entiltled brats complaining it didnt end the way they wanted so the media called them on it and now you act like you were all respectful and acted maturely but that did not happen you got called entitled for acting entitled not for not liking the ending. it wasnt till after that people started trying to make respectful complaints about the ending but the damage had already been done. thats why the ending hate is looked at negatively by alot of people.

yeah and bioware siccing prostitutes like Ben Kuchera and Luke Plunkett on them had nothing to do with it

This present lack of restraint was caused by the treatment they got

But keep pretending you and your goddamned ilk were innocent in all this

Looks like you are incapable of debating without resorting to insults. Reported

[Lightice_av]

I can Hackett wrote...

They're paid by bioware to say that

I wish. I'd love to get paid for defending a game that I enjoyed, but unfortunately the universe isn't quite as accomodating for me.

[xeNNN]

look at it this way.

most games have about a 25% hardcore fan base (most not all) then the other 75 percent go as follows.

50% - buy it once be like omg that was so much fun, over play it for like a week then never play it again.
25% - buy it play it like it then take it back.

[terdferguson123]

Caz Neerg wrote...

Somebody probably already said this, but if you check the polls, the percentages are holding steady. There are just more people who like the ending because there are more people who have finished the game, so it's two percent of a larger group.

You guys and your damndable polls thinking they are end all be all. I liked the ending and I havn't voted in a single poll over it. It's mostly just you guys all voting in each others polls so you can be reassured that you are still the majority.

[RogueBot]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

Personally, I believe Bioware intentionally left hints that Shepard was indoctrinated. The reason I don't like that is because I think it was done to breed speculation, as opposed to it actually being their intention that Shepard was indoctrinated.

So, while the indoc theory's a valid one, Bioware's shift from a straightforward space opera about love, companionship, and beating the odds to an intentionally vague ending with with little resolution and more questions than answers is poorly done. It's just incredibly inconsistent storytelling.

If Bioware plans to continue Shepard's story and it is shown that he is, in fact, indoctrinated, I would look upon ME3's ending much more favorably. But I don't think that's their intention. They just wanted to create speculation.

I've never seen Mass Effect as an entirely straightforward Space Opera.. we were messing with some pretty heavy decisions for that. Luke Skywalker never had to decide whether to cure the genophage!

I personally believe the 'hints' that a lot of people think points to indoctrination actually point to a metaphysical reality (no, that's not the same as a dream). 
You can check out my signature link for some ideas on that if you like.

Interesting notion. However, even "heavy" issues such as the genophage were resolved with very few loose ends (if any) in ME3, which is why I still consider it "straightforward". There isn't any *****-footing about the issue. Either you cure it or you don't.

I find the series as a whole to be much in the same vein, except for the ending. Like I said, it's intentionally vague, which is inconsistent with most of Mass Effect's storytelling.

Does that mean it's bad? No, it's a matter of opinion. But the inconsistency is something I believe better writers would have avoided. They should have brought that feeling we got from the ending into the rest of the trilogy, or abandoned it altogether. Since most of the trilogy was already complete, I think the smart choice would have been to remain consistent.

Modifié par RogueBot, 19 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[crimsontotem]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

Somebody probably already said this, but if you check the polls, the percentages are holding steady. There are just more people who like the ending because there are more people who have finished the game, so it's two percent of a larger group.

You guys and your damndable polls thinking they are end all be all. I liked the ending and I havn't voted in a single poll over it. It's mostly just you guys all voting in each others polls so you can be reassured that you are still the majority.

QQ $63,000 raised for donations, FB polls, IGN polls, and G4 tv polls says YOU are clearly a minority in this matter, I think those are all third parties? lol know your info
 

[Lightice_av]

xeNNN wrote...

look at it this way.

most games have about a 25% hardcore fan base (most not all) then the other 75 percent go as follows.

50% - buy it once be like omg that was so much fun, over play it for like a week then never play it again.
25% - buy it play it like it then take it back.

So, how are you explaining the fact that I'm a part of the hardcore fanbase, yet I still didn't hate the endings? I am rather annoyed that I'm called "casual" just because I don't spout hate-filled vitriol at Bioware, or worse, that I'm a paid plant -- whatever that's supposed to accomplish.

[etnah]

the simple fact that the change in endings is base on colour alone should make everyone angry.

did you see that vid on youtube that shows nearly all the endings play together? THAT should make everyone really angry...... even if you like your ending....

the fact that you MUST use MP to have the unique real change (hum...) makes me really angry.

the fact that after that ending, I have the feeling to have play ME1, ME2 and ME3 for nothing make me over-angry.

and when I read people that love "that" ending it make me angry... and jealous..... I wish I was "blind" (it works for a few second of happiness) and did not see the hole and incoherence, I wish I have lost my game and couldn't discover that there is no other ending.....

[HiddenKING]

I can Hackett wrote...

They're paid by bioware to say that

I am?! 

[YeGodz]

So, why does the idea that some people enjoyed the ending bother folks so much? Is it that incomprehensible, or are you afraid that our presence here is going to stop Bioware from giving you your new ending? Like, if you can somehow "prove" that everyone hated the ending, then they'd have to give you a new one?

Anyone?

[crimsontotem]

YeGodz wrote...

So, why does the idea that some people enjoyed the ending bother folks so much? Is it that incomprehensible, or are you afraid that our presence here is going to stop Bioware from giving you your new ending? Like, if you can somehow "prove" that everyone hated the ending, then they'd have to give you a new one?

Anyone?

this

don't bother people who disagree with you plz... 

[Jagri]

I loved the ending... If under the context it was a mere trick by Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard.
What better way to make the final confrontation more epic then to break indoctrination and face off against Harbinger who ended up trolling millions of people.

Would have a whole new respect for Harbinger and be rather interested in paying him back.

Though that is likely feeble hope for something epic and those fans who accepted the ending would feel rather bad for falling for such a trick.

[piemanz]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

Somebody probably already said this, but if you check the polls, the percentages are holding steady. There are just more people who like the ending because there are more people who have finished the game, so it's two percent of a larger group.

You guys and your damndable polls thinking they are end all be all. I liked the ending and I havn't voted in a single poll over it. It's mostly just you guys all voting in each others polls so you can be reassured that you are still the majority.

I think a large portion of the fanbase didn't like it for one reason or another, that doesn't necessarily make the ending bad. If you were to poll eveyone who didn't like the ending for instance you'd probably find that they were deeply divided in what they actually wanted.

Personally from other polls i've seen, the biggest issue is there's no 'happy' ending, which for me goes aginst the whole theme of the game.

[charon45]

Lightice_av wrote...

charon45 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...




6. They aren't marooned on the planet forever. They have the quantum entanglement communicator, and knowledge that the galaxy made it. It may take quite some time, but they'll be saved eventually. But again, the fact that something doesn't go perfectly isn't "illogical".
 

On this point, they are marooned on the planet for the rest of their lives.  The post-credits prologue shows their descendants still on the same planet, and space travel has become a myth.  That was the point of the stargazer scene.

Yeah, because they totally wouldn't colonize a perfectly habitable garden world they just discovered.

The dialogue makes no sense if that is the case.  If space travel were routine, they wouldn't talk about it as if it were a mysterious thing.  Speculation is one thing, but this is an interpretation that goes contrary to the evidence presented in the ending. 

[Tony208]

Either one of these

1. They don't care.
2. It's a good ending in their imagination. They geniunely liked it.
3. They didn't play for the story.
4. They can't see whats wrong about it.
5. Troll.

Modifié par Tony208, 19 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[Genera1Nemesis]

I'll add that while I did enjoy the endings I will take a DLC if they wish to expand on it. I do not, however; believe that they should change the ending...it set's a terrible precedent for the industry as a whole (which is why I think there's such a backlash from the media at times) and it also means that artistic vision is no longer applicable when talking video games.

People like to use that as the excuse however (it's a game they can put out DLC like Fallout 3) and that takes away so much respect for the men and women who dare to innovate their stories and such. Fallout 3 was changed not because the ending was bad but because people wanted to keep playing their character. They are two completely different types of games; one is open world, player driven story; the other is closed world (limited amount of places to go; if you played the two you know the difference I'm getting at) with a story that is player augmented but not driven by the player (we're given choice within set parameters) In fact you don't even have to play the main plot in Fallout at all and still get well over 100 hours in it because the main plot is just optional; whereas in Mass Effect it is the driving focus.

In short I see Mass Effect 3's endings as flawed; but by no means does that mean that I should be allowed to dictate that it be changed because I didn't like the direction they took. Just because it is a game does not mean that it exists by a completely different set of rules as television or books; in the case of television it is difficult to go back into production with the actors having different schedules and what not; same thing for Mass Effect because it is heavily filled with actors who might be too busy or too expensive to hire back for a 'retcon'. With books it's the same thing for different reasons; the writer is in control of the story and they end it where they want to end it. (ie I bought the entire Dark Tower series in hardcover; roughly about $200 spent or more. I did not like the endings one bit and I spent way more time on reading those than I did playing Mass Effect games) Should Stephen King change it because I'm not the only one who didn't like it; he received hate mail for it by the droves? No, and it certainly doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy any of his other stories either.

[Aligalipe]

It doesn't matter, if some people actually started to like it. People who hated the endings don't change their Ideas, and both sides' numbers increase. Our line is strong as ever. And just to point it out; Liking the ending doesn't make anyone stupid. Only those who like the ending AND think we' re stupid whiners are idiots for not respecting others' ideas. Most people who play the game hate the endings, even the non-ME fans. You can see this everywhere.