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[BeastMTL]

Naw, they just hired an external firm to create positive reviews and feedback to counter the negativity.
This has become somewhat standard practice in general.

[TexasToast712]

 Trolls trying to hurt the cause. Noone in their right can can truly be 100% happy with the ending.

[nitefyre410]

I loved the game, up until the endings... when I got hit by Harbingers beam everything just felt off. From the hallway to TIM coming out of nowhere and then The Catalyst after he finished talking. I just stop caring... it was just that bad.

[saracen16]

Tony208 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Either one of these

1. They don't care.
2. It's a good ending in their imagination. They geniunely liked it.
3. They didn't play for the story.
4. They can't see whats wrong about it.
5. Troll.

I love generalizations because I love quashing them with my thumb.

1. I've been a fan of Mass Effect, its lore, its games, its comics, and its novels since day 1: a more intellectual and non-pea-brained alternative to Halo.
2. It's a good ending in my OPINION. In fact, I LOVE the ending and how it reflects on the whole game. Use the search button or click on my profile, because I'm done rewriting and justifying myself to a crowd that barely listens.
3. I played it for the story, the codex, and the characters. I played it for everything.
4. "What's wrong about it" is an opinion because you view the game from different lens and have a memory that is shorter than 15 minutes.  The whole game provided closure to most if not all of the plots and subplots started in ME's 1 and 2 as well as the fates of the characters that we've come to know and love (or hate. but hey, they're just people).
5. If you've been following most of the threads, those who like the endings have not made one single troll post. Those who didn't like the endings have unlocked the gates of troll hell and opened it towards BSN.

U mad, bro?

What a fail, I said either one of these, not ALL of these.

And I just showed you that I am NONE of these.

[Genera1Nemesis]

Caz Neerg wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

the majority of people who like the ending on these boards work for bioware

Doubtful.  They may only be two percent, but out of 60,000, that still means there are almost 1300 people who have come to this site and expressed support in the poll for the endings.  It's not unreasonable to assume a few dozen of those might feel strongly enough to post a lot.

Lol,boy do I wish that I did work for Bioware. (hint hint any Bioware employee's reading this;)

Oh and leprechauns stole my crayons; Obama is a lizard-person in disguise; and Hitler is still alive.

If you believe those, then sure you can believe that because I like the endings for my own reasons; warts and all; that I must be on someones payroll. That must be it.

[Torrible]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Looks like you are incapable of debating without resorting to insults. Reported

Looks like you are incapable of debating at all. Hence running to hide behind the skirts of others

Except I am not here to debate. I've been intentionally neutral throughout the debate. People who resort to insults and demeaning generalisations tend to raise my ire though, although admitedly I shouldn't let them.

[MonkeyLungs]

smegmalongbeach wrote...

[snip] (Some stuff about 'really deep' and technological singularity and endings are 'really good' ...) edited for brevity smeg's full post is like 5 posts above this one ... )

It isn't even remotely appropriate to walk that path at the culmination of an epic 5 year RPG campaign. This isn't a character ina  book or a movie. This is 'our' character.

Also, the ending isn't 'realy good'. It's a 'really rip off' of another game.

[saracen16]

BeastMTL wrote...

Naw, they just hired an external firm to create positive reviews and feedback to counter the negativity.
This has become somewhat standard practice in general.

If they're able to hire people where I'm at, the Middle East, then BioWare must have quite a reach! No, seriously, listen to yourself. Your claim would be equally as valid as Bethesda hiring people to hate on the ending of ME3, and with free market competition being so brutal these days...

[GhostlyMaiden]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Trolls trying to hurt the cause. Noone in their right can can truly be 100% happy with the ending.

I'm actually 75% happy with the ending. It would have been 100% if it had been more original.

[Genera1Nemesis]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Trolls trying to hurt the cause. Noone in their right can can truly be 100% happy with the ending.

But just because you aren't 100% about it doesn't mean you can't like the ending. Normandy plot-hole bugs me; everything else was different and very existential. I get why people don't like it; and I certainly would love for them to EXPAND on it. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy it, however.

But I'm a troll, because my opinions don't matter.

[charon45]

Lightice_av wrote...

charon45 wrote...

The dialogue makes no sense if that is the case.  If space travel were routine, they wouldn't talk about it as if it were a mysterious thing.  Speculation is one thing, but this is an interpretation that goes contrary to the evidence presented in the ending. 

If anyone is contradicting the ending, it's you. The child isn't talking about going to the stars as vague, childish wish, but as an actual thing that will happen. They have spacetravel in that epilogue, they are simply making a philosophical point about the endless possibilities that wait in the vast universe.

There is no evidence that they have space travel on that planet presented in the scene.  The point of the prologue was to show that the Normandy crash lands and starts a new civilization free from the turmoil that the rest of the galaxy was left in.  Try explaning your interpretation with what was given and now what you think should have happened off-screen.

[Sashimi_taco]

I find it strange that a lot of people who like the endings are very new to the forums and only have me3 attached to their account.

[saracen16]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't understand it either. They go on about how "artistic" or "thought-provoking" it is, but they never expound on it.

Guess you haven't actually READ the threads that talk about why they like the endings. I'll just give you a glimpse of my mind and the impression I got in the end...

- The Reapers were the good guys? See, that's what scares me: the Catalyst and the Reapers believe that they are doing the best for organic species by preserving them and preventing them from being annihilated by the synthetics they create, in the process most likely destroying the synthetics as well as their masters. Suddenly, Saren doesn't sound like a raving, deluded fanatic, but a savior of organic species... albeit not in the way that most organics want. This pattern is something the Catalyst created, through the construction of the mass relays. Remember what Vendetta said: the universe has seen this cycle repeat itself in the same patterns of evolution and the same valleys of dissolution (something that isn't merely by chance). What if the Reapers and the Catalyst were gods who repeated these things? What if there are larger forces at play that are manipulating how people believe in religion and the like? Notice the similarities between the Asari-Prothean and Salarian-Krogan relationships? Notice anything between the Prothean AI's who rebelled and the Quarian-Geth conflict?

- Was the galaxy saved or destroyed? I thought at once that because the mass relays were destroyed, that meant all solar systems were, too. But they weren't rammed by asteroids. They got destroyed AFTER they POWERED UP and PROPELLED the Crucible transmission to another solar system, a self-propagating chain that was broken as you went along it. The energy stored in the mass relay was used to propel the dissipated Crucible signals arriving at the next solar systems, and after propelling this UNQUANTIFIABLE energy, it shatters in the process, most likely sparing the solar systems as a result. Even scarier is what happens afterwards. Will the Krogans go to war against the Salarians if you cured the genophage? What will Quarian life be like without the Geth and vice-versa? Better yet, what will Quarian life be like when all synthetics are DESTROYED? What will Quarians do without the geth ON RANNOCH? With the Citadel council no more, and space travel a myth, how will my Shepard be remembered by the races of the galaxy?

There's more where that came from.

Modifié par saracen16, 19 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[msp]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I find it strange that a lot of people who like the endings are very new to the forums and only have me3 attached to their account.

Given the mess EA/Origin/BSN account system is, I'm not.

[Tony208]

saracen16 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Either one of these

1. They don't care.
2. It's a good ending in their imagination. They geniunely liked it.
3. They didn't play for the story.
4. They can't see whats wrong about it.
5. Troll.

I love generalizations because I love quashing them with my thumb.

1. I've been a fan of Mass Effect, its lore, its games, its comics, and its novels since day 1: a more intellectual and non-pea-brained alternative to Halo.
2. It's a good ending in my OPINION. In fact, I LOVE the ending and how it reflects on the whole game. Use the search button or click on my profile, because I'm done rewriting and justifying myself to a crowd that barely listens.
3. I played it for the story, the codex, and the characters. I played it for everything.
4. "What's wrong about it" is an opinion because you view the game from different lens and have a memory that is shorter than 15 minutes.  The whole game provided closure to most if not all of the plots and subplots started in ME's 1 and 2 as well as the fates of the characters that we've come to know and love (or hate. but hey, they're just people).
5. If you've been following most of the threads, those who like the endings have not made one single troll post. Those who didn't like the endings have unlocked the gates of troll hell and opened it towards BSN.

U mad, bro?

What a fail, I said either one of these, not ALL of these.

And I just showed you that I am NONE of these.

No, you're no. 2. You used your imagination to fill in the gaps of the ending and came out happy so you liked it.

[saracen16]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I find it strange that a lot of people who like the endings are very new to the forums and only have me3 attached to their account.

That doesn't invalidate the opinions of those who like it and have been here longer, nor their own for that matter.

Refrain from insulting the debater.

[YeGodz]

Look to the left. See all that? Liked the ending.

Bioware is welcome to send me a check, of course. But as of now, I'm doing it pro bono.

[Lightice_av]

charon45 wrote...

There is no evidence that they have space travel on that planet presented in the scene.  The point of the prologue was to show that the Normandy crash lands and starts a new civilization free from the turmoil that the rest of the galaxy was left in.  Try explaning your interpretation with what was given and now what you think should have happened off-screen.

Normandy has no means of kick-starting a civilization. Too few people, however you look at it. Normandy does have a quantum entaglement communicator that works regarless of whether Mass Relays are there or not. People in the ending speak of spacetravel as a routine affair, and wonder at the endless possibilities of the cosmos. It makes far more sense to assume that the crew was saved and the planet colonized, unless you are really cynical and assume that everybody  died and the planet was colonized much later by unrelated people.

[etnah]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

etnah wrote...

the simple fact that the change in endings is base on colour alone should make everyone angry.

did you see that vid on youtube that shows nearly all the endings play together? THAT should make everyone really angry...... even if you like your ending....

the fact that you MUST use MP to have the unique real change (hum...) makes me really angry.

the fact that after that ending, I have the feeling to have play ME1, ME2 and ME3 for nothing make me over-angry.

and when I read people that love "that" ending it make me angry... and jealous..... I wish I was "blind" (it works for a few second of happiness) and did not see the hole and incoherence, I wish I have lost my game and couldn't discover that there is no other ending.....

No, that's just lazy (or rushed) and cheaper. They could have zoomed in on characters as they're being changed in Synthesis. Maybe even flash a scene on the microscopic level showing the dna being warped. After the mass relays were destroyed, they could have shown scenes of Palaven and Thessia not being destroyed with turians, krogan and asari clearly still alive as the reapers leave or are vaporized. Then people can stop saying you destroyed the entire universe. They could have shown scenes of aliens of various species working together to clean up Earth so the ideas of everything devolving into anarchy and people starving to death could be dispelled. The dextros are still kind of screwed, but I suppose they could try to outfit as many ships as possible to at least make it to Turian space. Maybe they could even set up sleeper pods and if the geth are stil alive, they can upload them into ships to fly them home. Don't have much knowledge on how space-time works though, so I have no idea if that's plausible. Really, it's not the end all be all everyone says it has to be.

I whish I have seen that ending and not the Synthesis I've seen..... even if holes are still there (Normandy hole, Anderson hole....), the "zoomed" brings changes in each endings, and that is better than colours..... with lots of news about universe maybe the hole could have seemed smaller.....

[RockyRoberts]

People are entitled to their opinions! I cannot hate my hippy friends that chose synthesis thinking it was a rather calming way to end the series!! The important thing is that we don't step on their toes and ruin our chances to be heard.

These threads are popping up because they want to demolish this movement from the ground up, whatever the manner. Don't fall into bigotry, don't fall prey to personal attacks or "trolls"...let people express their opinion good or bad on either side of the argument and keep the discussion going!

[Ryokun1989]

Caz Neerg wrote...
Like I said, I haven't seen any of the supposed "professionals" supporting the ending.  I am not saying they don't exist, only that I haven't seen their posts.  I would be happy to read them if you have actual links, it would be interesting to see their points.

It's pointless... it's hardly possible to prove for one; but even so. I'm a writer but I'm *really* not going to call on that as a reason for why you should listen to my reasons for why I think the plot works. It doesn't make me an expert on deciding what is 'good' or not.
In fact, if we go that route, since this is a game we should all be listening to the game reviewers, who have overwhelmingly given Mass Effect 3 excellent scores.

But that's not the complete picture. If so many people complain SOMETHING SOMEWHERE went wrong. It might be the writing, it might be the expectations that were fostered, it might be a miscalculation by BioWare writers.

What does remain a fact though, is that sometimes a tiny change can turn mass rejection into mass appreciation. And most of the time it's NOT what people were complaining about.
I'll give one example: during WoW's development they had a 'tired' mechanic. If you played for too long, your xp gains were halved to 50%. The reaction was terrible! Everyone hated it and wanted it gone.
Then Blizzard renamed the values. The mechanic became known as 'rested'. Instead of becoming tired from playing too much, you become rested from not playing for a while and gain 200% XP. 
The actual gameplay outcome is IDENTICAL, but this time reaction was great! Everyone loved it!


I've seen and heard many more examples of this; including one that I can't quite perfectly recall, but it came down to changing the colour of one part of the set actually changed people's opinions on the costume design.

[Caz Neerg]

msp wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...
I suggest you people never read any of the great sci-fi space operas. Foundation, Dune, Dark Tower, Rama, all of these leave you "wondering" and with a good amount of "speculation" (and no, no books by brian herbert count towards dune). So if gaming ever truly wants to ascend the story telling ladder to "art" along WITH entertainment, this is what happens. I thought the end was both thoughtful AND entertaining. I think gamers weren't ready for it. For all the clamoring we do to be taken seriously, apparently most of us aren't ready for our beloved medium to ascend any higher than entertainment.

This is what happens when somebody tries to force their story up that "artsy" ladder in the last 10 minutes. It's as if the writers were so determined to reach that art status, they swapped to a completely different genre in the last 10 minutes of 100+ hour series. To get there, they completely stripped control from me as a player, changed everything that defined my hero as a person, rendered moot all previous accomplishments and choices... and why? So they can end the series with a cheap biblical allegory. It this is art, I want no more of it.

Yes, I understand that the ending was supposed to uplifting - it's a message of hope and of a new life beginning. I'm sure there are people out there for whom it absolutely worked. It's great, I'm happy for them. For me, it simply didn't, on either level. Emotionally, it just wasn't there. Analytically, all I could think of were millions of sentient beings dying in mass relay explosions and the trapped alien feet fighting over scraps of food in the Sol system. Let's just say that message of hope failed to come through. 

To add to your point, most of the things he lists weren't space operas.  Space opera is a specific type of science fiction, not just another word for it.  A fine example of space opera would be the Vorkosigan series by Bujold.  It is a sub-genre that, while it can contain dark themes and situation, tends to focus on uplifting and epic resolutions, not on tragedy and dystopian nihilism.  The ending of ME3 is more cyberpunk than it is space opera, and it really doesn't fit.

[saracen16]

Tony208 wrote...

No, you're no. 2. You used your imagination to fill in the gaps of the ending and came out happy so you liked it.

Take the time to read my posts (use that Search function) then come back and tell me that I "imagined" my ending.

[Giguelingueling]

A lot of people who like the ending just think the Indoctrination theory is true and in reality the ending we have is not what it look like. Which is even more sad for bioware because you know, they did an ending so awful that people can't believe it's that bad