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Lately seeing a lot of people like the endings...why?


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Diablos2525

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kunzite wrote...

I wouldnt call people stupid, just because they liked the endings. People have differing opinions, and their opinion is just as valid as yours, or as mine, or as someone elses. No wonder people think we're whining.


I would call people stupid, working with customers all day long it pretty much becomes an established fact. What exactly about their position of liking horribly stupid endings makes them smart?

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kunzite wrote...

I wouldnt call people stupid, just because they liked the endings. People have differing opinions, and their opinion is just as valid as yours, or as mine, or as someone elses. No wonder people think we're whining.


This

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Why I like the endings? Because they are good. You just have to think a little bit to see a whole picture but when you did everything makes sense.

People thought that ME is a space soap opera with some sci-fi, turns out it's a hard sci-fi with some space soap opera. That hurts.

50 millions years old Reapers don't care about your character, your choices and if you are paragon or renegade. "Oh, I see that you helped Gianna Parisini and kicked that BlueSun out of the window, so here a special (happy) ending for you". He even don't know about this stuff. All that matters it that you made it to the Citadel. They always said that Reapers are invincible? They are, no plot-holes here. It's all very logical. Maybe sad, but logical.

Your reward is not a happy retirement on a beach and lot a blue children. Your reward is to decide the future of all life in the Galaxy. That's pretty big reward in my opinion.

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Because people that don't support the ending have simmered down a bit, maybe? It does seem as if things have calmed down a bit...


Last night's explosion about facebook makes me think really we are just biding our time, but still watching the situation closely.  I don't think we've lost any steam at all.

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Cirreus wrote...

The general mass (no pun) of average joes are finishing up the game. They likely don't have the committment of the series some of us do & finishing up Mass Effect is just another check box off the list of things to do. For me (and I'm sure many others) Mass Effect's appeal is in the replays ... lots of them. I don't think that is the case with the average consumer.


This seems like a reasonable explanation, kind of what they did with Dragon Age 2. IE dumbed it down, and yet people still like that repetitive, crap story, game.

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Alot of people who liked the endings often ignore or downplay the plotholes as unimportant. I think it's a mental issue. I believe their brains works differently and they are more gullible and willing to accept whatever is told to them rather than be skeptical and question everything.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 19 mars 2012 - 12:53 .


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Guys, you know how you don't like to be called self-entitled babies or spoiled brats?

You really shouldn't be calling people who like the ending idiots or casual gamers, or you really have nothing to stand on.

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Syrellaris wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?


Right, calling people stupid, ignorant or anything else, because they disagree with you? You know, it is people like you that cause your "movement" to be placed in a bad day light.




^This. There are parts of the ending that I have issues with, but it's folks like these that represent the 'Hold the Line' or the 'Retake ME' movement that just disgust me. I can't ever get behind a movement that seems to have so many close-minded and hateful supporters. Instead, I just think of all the things I did enjoy about ME3, and how much I still enjoy ME1/2, and continue playing.

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Kamagawa wrote...

You hear bad reports, expect it to be worse than what it is and will, as a result, experience an ending that is better than what you were expecting.

Tha opposite is also true, if you expect something to be better than what it is, you will be disappointed no matter how good/bad it really is.


A million times this.

Since I was hearing that the ending was complete horscrap for 5 days, I truly expected the ending to be the Justin Bieber equivalent of endings.
The ending was so so for me. 

What I was focusing on while playing ME3 was the ride not the destination.

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Just hole the line and ignore those threads. They will got flushed very quickly.

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vertigo72 wrote...

Why I like the endings? Because they are good. You just have to think a little bit to see a whole picture but when you did everything makes sense.

People thought that ME is a space soap opera with some sci-fi, turns out it's a hard sci-fi with some space soap opera. That hurts.

50 millions years old Reapers don't care about your character, your choices and if you are paragon or renegade. "Oh, I see that you helped Gianna Parisini and kicked that BlueSun out of the window, so here a special (happy) ending for you". He even don't know about this stuff. All that matters it that you made it to the Citadel. They always said that Reapers are invincible? They are, no plot-holes here. It's all very logical. Maybe sad, but logical.

Your reward is not a happy retirement on a beach and lot a blue children. Your reward is to decide the future of all life in the Galaxy. That's pretty big reward in my opinion.


As someone who likes the ending please explain these 10 plotholes and retarded decisions to me. Thank you.

Modifié par Diablos2525, 19 mars 2012 - 12:54 .


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Because some people do.

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In Psych 101, based off the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator:

Judging vs. Perceiving

People of the judging type are more likely to hate the ending, because it's too open-ended and doesn't explain anything.

People of the percieving type are more likely to like the ending, because it's open-ended giving them the opportunity to speculate it's possibilities.

Statistically, there are more judging types than there are percieving types.

Otherwise, anybody who liked the ending were swamped by people who didn't. The boards were also getting spammed with the ending is bad threads. Things seem to have calm down. I suppose people have reached the "acceptance" stage in the 5 stages of Mass Effect grief now.

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

 I sometimes wonder if it's people being contrary just to be contrary.


Mostly this IMO. My roommate's opinion is "the ending is fine, stop whining"

Pretty sure if I'd have not said anything he would have a different opinion.

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vware wrote...

Because some people do.


Some people like murdering others, doesn't mean its right or smart.

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Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?


Hah! I actually said the opposite to myself just last night "gee, all these people who think they should have exposition soup served to them at the end of a narrative clearly haven't picked up a good book recently...or ever...don't have the capacity to understand the ending....or are part of the MW3 crowd that just want the text to say "russian terrorist cell destroyed, good job" and couldn't take the complexity."

So...yeah...not at all what you said...at all.....

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They're not stupid, they're entitled to their opinion. I like lines and holding them as much as the next guy, but let them have their opinions. I understand it's easy to get angry, really i'm right there with you, but these people aren't your enemy.

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GhostlyMaiden wrote...

In Psych 101, based off the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator:

Judging vs. Perceiving

People of the judging type are more likely to hate the ending, because it's too open-ended and doesn't explain anything.

People of the percieving type are more likely to like the ending, because it's open-ended giving them the opportunity to speculate it's possibilities.

Statistically, there are more judging types than there are percieving types.

Otherwise, anybody who liked the ending were swamped by people who didn't. The boards were also getting spammed with the ending is bad threads. Things seem to have calm down. I suppose people have reached the "acceptance" stage in the 5 stages of Mass Effect grief now.


I was wondering if maybe the hardcore fans finished the game first, and now people picking the series up for the first time have been finishing it weeks later and think everything is hanky-dory.

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Diablos2525 wrote...
I would call people stupid, working with customers all day long it pretty much becomes an established fact. What exactly about their position of liking horribly stupid endings makes them smart?


So um, they are stupid because they don't like the same things you do? Great we have another moral compass...

Btw, good luck with your career, I really try hard not to point out how hilarious your comment is from someone who should like customers who, erm, pay his/her salary.

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IGN released a poll on FB today, and 85% of people who have finished the game still don't like the endings. Then there is that MASSIVE poll on here ( http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ ) where a whopping 91% of people are flat out not OK with the endings at all, and 97% are in some way dissatisfied with it.

People have voiced their opinions, so there's no need for them to be QUITE as vocal. That doesn't mean that the overall percentage of acceptance has changed one bit.

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Diablos2525 wrote...

vware wrote...

Because some people do.


Some people like murdering others, doesn't mean its right or smart.


...

Seriously?

I'm just waiting for some nutjob to break out the Hitler comparisons now.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 19 mars 2012 - 12:57 .


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Probably the game was beaten by the older fanbase first. People which did not anticipate the game to that extent probably took their time, and being introduced to ME with ME3 only, they didn't feel the whole extent of this disaster.

as for th epart of older fanbase, which has no problems with the endings, I envy them.

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I like the ending and I've articulated it many times. This question has been asked a lot. Use the search function.

Modifié par bytemarks, 19 mars 2012 - 12:57 .


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Diablos2525 wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

The general mass (no pun) of average joes are finishing up the game. They likely don't have the committment of the series some of us do & finishing up Mass Effect is just another check box off the list of things to do. For me (and I'm sure many others) Mass Effect's appeal is in the replays ... lots of them. I don't think that is the case with the average consumer.


This seems like a reasonable explanation, kind of what they did with Dragon Age 2. IE dumbed it down, and yet people still like that repetitive, crap story, game.


You know, you can can your so called "tough" and  "bad ass" internet punk attitude, it doesn't work.

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Some people don't mind plot holes if it seems exciting.

Same way people love James Bond movies despite the logical factor that he'd be dead ten times over if the villains just killed him when he is captured rather than some elaborate scheme. Or how the enemies (normally trained soldiers/military) can't seem to aim their guns whenever it's Bond in their sights.

The people who dislike the ending want it to make sense, whereas those that like it want it to be exciting/thought provoking. Which it is, even if it's for the wrong reasons.