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[Rob_Nix]

It's because more of the GA is finishing the game and they're less strict when it comes to quality.  It's why three Transformer movies have done well at the BO.

Modifié par Rob_Nix, 19 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

[James2024]

zerokku wrote...

 To answer the question - The people who care the most about the universe and story were the first ones to beat it. The ones who are just now beating it are (for the most part) likely not as invested and thus don't see all the glaring plotholes, inconsistencies, etc. I mean the fact that the motive for the reapers essentially boils down to an Xzibit meme should raise some flags, but to each their own.

And of course no one who is invested in it could like the endling. 

[Killer3000ad]

Shiran wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

[For the last time, it's not about getting a happy ending, the issue is the endings complete lack of closure, glaring plotholes, the deus ex machina(Starchild) and the complete removal of consequences of past decisions.

I like so many other don't mind a bleak ending, BUT IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE!

Do you mean the Catalyst? It's not Deus Ex, half of your goal in ME3 is to find it / figure it out what it is (the other half being collecting War resources)

I am talking about the Starchild, that Casper Satanchild thing that pops up at the end when it's existence was not even hinted at.

Definition of Deus Ex Machina:"god out of the machine",is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

[smegmalongbeach]

Killer3000ad wrote...

smegmalongbeach wrote...

honest question.
 
what were the plot holes in the me3 ending the only one i know of that people are upset about is the relay not destroying the system

Long long long document with all the problems. https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true#

sorry thought you meant lore plot holes not just what is in the cinimatics

Modifié par smegmalongbeach, 19 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[Foxcat]

When so many have played the game there are bound to be a good number who like the ending.  Additionally, there are people who will defend it simply because so many are attacking it.  They are entitled to their opinions and should post here as well.  The fact that there are those who like the ending in no way diminshes the efforts of those of us who dislike the end. 

Furthermore, this controversy is more than just a numbers game of whether or not we can get 51% or more to dislike the ending so it'll be changed.  The ending is qualitatively poor as an example of story-telling regardless of the medium.  Those who enjoy the ending are either overlooking or purposely ignoring the actual inconsistencies and plotholes which the current ending has.  

My point is that bioware could maintain the content of the ending as it stands and simply remedy the poor execution and much of the controversy would be resolved.

[dfstone]

I don't think the endings are that bad on their own. Its when you put them into context will all the stuff you did and learn in the rest of the game and in ME1 and ME2 that they become a problem. A new player who has never played a mass effect game before will probably have no problem with the endings. But anyone who played Mass Effect 1 or 2 will probably say "huh? wtf was that?".

Modifié par dfstone, 19 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

[smegmalongbeach]

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

I disagree there are alot of simularities in 2001: a space odyssey and mass effect especialy when it come to rouge AI

Modifié par smegmalongbeach, 19 mars 2012 - 05:49 .

[Persephone]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

WOW. Effin' WOW.

And you people wonder why you are called whiny, entitled fanbrats who cannot accept anyone's opinion but their own. It's posts like these and people like you that reveal that part of this movement is just as entitled, whiny and self absorbed as those criticizing you are accusing you of being. Don't want to be called out on being entitled? Start acting like you're not.

[Vasparian]

Some people are just not capable of seeing through plot holes, circular logic, and other issues ME3 had with it's endings. They just see COOL explosions, gun fights, and other things like that.

[Ryokun1989]

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

Ahh, there we have it. And I suppose everyone who does think 2001 amazing is also completely wrong and stupid and 'misses the glaring plotholes'?

[Sereaph502]

Perhaps because the people that "like" the endings are doing nothing more than posting because they know they'll get a response? Negative or not, to them it's still attention. The people that actually like the ending probably look at this forum, see all the negativity, and say "Screw that noise" before getting out of here.

[James2024]

Vasparian wrote...

Some people are just not capable of seeing through plot holes, circular logic, and other issues ME3 had with it's endings. They just see COOL explosions, gun fights, and other things like that.

And some people are caple of reading between the lines and filling in the blanks.   No they dont hold your hand at the end you have to figure some stuff out for yourself.

[YeGodz]

The plotholes thing has been refuted. Repeatedly. If said explanations aren't good enough for you, cool, but please don't keep posting the "big list o' plotholes" and pretending that nobody has answered them.

[Persephone]

Vasparian wrote...

Some people are just not capable of seeing through plot holes, circular logic, and other issues ME3 had with it's endings. They just see COOL explosions, gun fights, and other things like that.

And some other people are so high and mighty and full of themselves that they cannot see beyond colors. (IE. The "All the same but in different colors!" lie.)

[darthnick427]

Don't worry. Those of us hating the endings are still the vast . Last I heard it was 90% hate the endings and 10% like them. Just keep holding the line my friends. We'll win this yet

[ashwind]

Because the people who dislike the ending are acting like a rioting mob. Look at the forum, how many "I hate the ending thread" is created every minute.

I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

And getting more arrogant by the second.

[Frosteeze]

dfstone wrote...

I don't think the endings are that bad on their own. Its when you put them into context will all the stuff you did and learn in the rest of the game and in ME1 and ME2 that they become a problem. A new player who has never played a mass effect game before will probably have no problem with the endings. But anyone who played Mass Effect 1 or 2 will probably say "huh? wtf was that?".

Agreed. For a lot of people ME3 is the first in the series. They won't get why it's disappointing because they haven't capture that magic BioWare made when the rest of us played the first or even the second game. I don't blame them either. If I haven't played the previous 2 games before, I would be none the wiser.

[Lightice_av]

Some people are just not capable of seeing through plot holes, circular logic, and other issues ME3 had with it's endings. They just see COOL explosions, gun fights, and other things like that.

And when you're done with insulting those of us who enjoyed the franchise as a whole, and have appreciated its rich universe and characters right from the start, maybe you should acknowledge that people are getting way out of hand with their accusations about plot holes. The only significant one is something that I'm almost certain is a glitch, namely the appearance of certain individuals on the Normandy in wrong circumstances.

[dfstone]

Lightice_av wrote...

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

2001  A Space Odyssey?  I don't see a similarity with that movie at all.  What I see in Mass Effect is a lot of allusion to the Battlestar Galactica reboot they did a few years ago.  They even hired two of the cast members to be voice actors.  Which I don't mind 'cause that show was like the best tv show ever.

[Ryokun1989]

Vasparian wrote...

Some people are just not capable of seeing through plot holes, circular logic, and other issues ME3 had with it's endings. They just see COOL explosions, gun fights, and other things like that.

It's like you're TRYING to prove 'people who hate the ending' are a bunch of drooling morons who can't put 2 and 2 together.

[Lightice_av]

Frosteeze wrote...

Agreed. For a lot of people ME3 is the first in the series. They won't get why it's disappointing because they haven't capture that magic BioWare made when the rest of us played the first or even the second game. I don't blame them either. If I haven't played the previous 2 games before, I would be none the wiser.

So why are you the one with only ME3 logo on your avatar, while I have every game in the franchise under my belt? 

[Sherbet Lemon]

msp wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

I think this is where the disconnect happens.  It depends upon where you are able to accept this change within the narrative as a reader.  Whether or not you are able to do this says nothing about intelligence or perceptivenesss, instead it speaks to how far you suspension of belief will take you. 

Modifié par Village Idiot, 19 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[Ryokun1989]

Frosteeze wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I don't think the endings are that bad on their own. Its when you put them into context will all the stuff you did and learn in the rest of the game and in ME1 and ME2 that they become a problem. A new player who has never played a mass effect game before will probably have no problem with the endings. But anyone who played Mass Effect 1 or 2 will probably say "huh? wtf was that?".

Agreed. For a lot of people ME3 is the first in the series. They won't get why it's disappointing because they haven't capture that magic BioWare made when the rest of us played the first or even the second game. I don't blame them either. If I haven't played the previous 2 games before, I would be none the wiser.

Maybe you should take a cursory glance across the thread..