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[Persephone]

ashwind wrote...

Because the people who dislike the ending are acting like a rioting mob. Look at the forum, how many "I hate the ending thread" is created every minute.

I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

And getting more arrogant by the second.

And this. Well said.

"We are nooooooooooooooot entitled! But we DO post loads of self absorbed, entitled demands and insults every day, hur dur!"

The IRONY of it all.

[Jere85]

There will allways be people who like this ending. Thats their opinion, and i can respect that, however people call us the minority at times which is just plainly wrong, 90% if not more dislike the ending, also alot of people havent finished the game yet, lets say 5% likes the ending, that will be around a few thousand people still. They can form their own movement, or they can stop caring, ill respect anything they bring at us, as long as they respect our decision aswell.

But tbh, most people agreeing with this ending calls us brats, entitled, whiners, so ill consider 90% of the people liking this ending, Trolls, nothing more. Nothing less.
Since they have no clue what we talk about.
Hold the line.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

Thematic similarities do not equal plot similarities. The structure of Mass Effect in no way resembled 2001.
Themes are taking from everything from 2001 to Bladerunner to Babylon 5 and more. That doesn't mean you get to copy-paste 2001's nonsensical ending onto ME.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Lightice_av wrote...

Frosteeze wrote...

Agreed. For a lot of people ME3 is the first in the series. They won't get why it's disappointing because they haven't capture that magic BioWare made when the rest of us played the first or even the second game. I don't blame them either. If I haven't played the previous 2 games before, I would be none the wiser.

So why are you the one with only ME3 logo on your avatar, while I have every game in the franchise under my belt?

If I had to guess, it's because of the new rules for posting on ME3 forums.

[Ryokun1989]

Village Idiot wrote...

msp wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

I think this is where the disconnect happens.  It depends upon where you are able to accept this change within the narrative as a reader.  Whether or not you are able to say nothing about intelligence or perceptivenesss, instead it speaks to how far you suspension of belief will take you. 

Agreed! And how much you were expecting an ending of this strain, or had fewer preconceptions as to what kind of ending it would be (probably tied to how you experienced the rest of the series).

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

ashwind wrote...

Because the people who dislike the ending are acting like a rioting mob. Look at the forum, how many "I hate the ending thread" is created every minute.

I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

And getting more arrogant by the second.

And this. Well said.

"We are nooooooooooooooot entitled! But we DO post loads of self absorbed, entitled demands and insults every day, hur dur!"

The IRONY of it all.

Wow, just wow. The arrogance of these posts is astounding.
Just.. how dare you. How DARE you claim I'm not a true fan. I was with the series since the beginning, and this ending devastated me, and you sit there and claim it's just an overreaction by whiny entitled people?

This is why nobody takes people who say they like the ending seriously, because of people like YOU.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[SaladinDheonqar]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but many have already stated and proven why the ending is bad, both subjectively and objectively. The gamefront article, Jeremy Jahn's vid, Angry Joe's vid, and etc have all shown why it was poorly done. If you still like it despite digesting all of that, then I guess you just have completely different taste buds. And this 'you guys only want a happy ending' stuff is getting old. We just want an ending that makes sense and reflects the decisions made over the 3 games, which is what Bioware promised. Btw, what are the likers' views on all the lies they fed us? Do you think we're just misinterpreting their quotes? or do you really think they've lived up to what they said they would deliver?

[msp]

Lightice_av wrote...

Agreed, and that's a very good point. Space opera is a subset of science fiction. Mass Effect manages to spend 100+ hours establishing itself as a space opera, just to jump to a more metaphysical subgenre at the last possible second. The result is jarring - and makes about as much sense as finding Miles Vorkosigan chatting with a God.

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

It's been a while since I watched the movie, but I do not recall it setting itself up as a "let's go have a grand adventure saving the universe" type of story. It was clear from the beginning that it's going to work with metaphysical themes.

[Myrmedus]

Lightice_av wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Three words: 2001: Space Odyssey.

Is the most overrated piece of science-fiction in all history.
Yes, you're right to make a comparison, as people who say they dislike this movie and hold 2010 as a superior film (because it actually makes sense) are often insulted, called stupid and told we don't understand.

To say nothing of the fact that ME3 is a series that in no way resembled 2001 up until the last 10 minutes.

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

Not to mention arguing that ME's ending is cool because 2001: Space Odyssey did it leads to a potentially new criticism: was ME not good enough to be original and wrap things up its own way rather than simply assimilating existing Sci-Fi literature?

We all expect inspiration from other Sci-Fi media to factor in but this is going much further.

[DemGeth]

2001 is the greatest Sci-Fi movie made.

And has nothing to do with ME lol

[Caz Neerg]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

My point is that it is perfectly legitimate to look at the various components of a piece and judge them seperately.  That is why at something like the Academy Awards they don't just have best picture, they have awards by category.  My point is that, pretty much solely because of the wide variety of issues with the ending, it is unlikely that anyone would even consider giving ME3 any writing awards.  And that is a real shame, because of how well they were doing until they reached that point.

That's an opinion I don't agree with. I think the story works really well as a video game story. They make use of elements of the classical monomyth (which generally works well in games) and manage to add a layer of symbolism and depth that most games don't, much of it through the actual gameplay of taking choices.
That doesn't mean it'd still be a good story if it was a movie. But it's a great game story.

In fact, if you want to hear my *criticisms* of the story, it'll mostly be about how disjointed it somehow is primarily in Mass Effect 2.

If you want another example, there's an indie game called Braid. It wouldn't make a good movie, but due to the way it's presented in the game it really works.

Saying that a story works well as a "video game story" is the same as saying a woman looks good "for her age."  It's the same thing as admitting it doesn't work well on it's own merits, if it did, you wouldn't need the qualifier.

If they wanted to add transhumanist symbolism and nihilistic overtones, they needed to start in ME1, and maintain the hints/foreshadowing throughout the series.  As recently as the confrontation with TIM in the Citadel, Shepard was a character literally incapable of supporting the "Control" option. Then we get the Catalyst with logic a five year old could sail a battleship through, and Shepard just trots off to do his bidding.  It's lazy, and the franchise deserved better.

[deathscythe517]

Militarized wrote...

They just happen to be popping up while they're starting their PR campaign >.>

I'm sure some of them honestly liked it but... most of them that did didn't seem to play ME1 and ME2 or they seemed to be more of the action player, not really delving into the world and caring about it.

They mostly just go "Oh that was a deep ending" without a thought about the rest of the questions asked through out the entire game and that they don't line up with the ending philosophy.

This.

On top of that if we maintain our civility they should be allowed to voice their opinions however I don't see them really becoming a counter-group, most of them parrot each other's points using almost word for word the same tired defenses and often having great double standards. On top of that there's like...one or two people per day who make a 'I love you Bioware, let me have your babies' thread. How can you be sure they're even genuine? Cause liking the ending is one thing but most of them seem to make threads with the explicit desire to provoke people.

[Lightice_av]

dfstone wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

2001  A Space Odyssey?  I don't see a similarity with that movie at all.  What I see in Mass Effect is a lot of allusion to the Battlestar Galactica reboot they did a few years ago.  They even hired two of the cast members to be voice actors.  Which I don't mind 'cause that show was like the best tv show ever.

There are inspirations taken from many science fiction sources in Mass Effect, but I can assure you that 2001: Space Odyssey is one of them. The Prothean Beacons are a transparent shout out to the Monoliths in 2001, as is the sidequest that gives you a perspective of a primitive human studied by the Protheans. In ME3 the existence of the force beyond the Reapers that can be inferred rather than observed, as explained by Vendetta likewise bears a great resemblance to the way the Firstcomers are described in the Space Odyssey novels. Joker outright refers to HAL's fate when he releases EDI's restrictions in ME2 ("If you start singing Daisy Bell...").

[815Sox]

I didn't mind the ending. I avoided these forums (specifically this one) because if you posted that you didn't mind them you were immediatly attacked. I know a few people that responded to my comments were actually pissed off at what I had said. That to me is a bit pyscho.

Also, you are not seeing these threads for the first time. I think people have just cooled down enough to realize that they do not speak for everyone. When you are worked up about something you tend to think that you have more support then you actually do. Heck, sometimes people claim that people support political positions they support but are just "afraid to say so". The reality of the situation is that the position is just unpopular or antiquated.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

2001  A Space Odyssey?  I don't see a similarity with that movie at all.  What I see in Mass Effect is a lot of allusion to the Battlestar Galactica reboot they did a few years ago.  They even hired two of the cast members to be voice actors.  Which I don't mind 'cause that show was like the best tv show ever.

There are inspirations taken from many science fiction sources in Mass Effect, but I can assure you that 2001: Space Odyssey is one of them. The Prothean Beacons are a transparent shout out to the Monoliths in 2001, as is the sidequest that gives you a perspective of a primitive human studied by the Protheans. In ME3 the existence of the force beyond the Reapers that can be inferred rather than observed, as explained by Vendetta likewise bears a great resemblance to the way the Firstcomers are described in the Space Odyssey novels. Joker outright refers to HAL's fate when he releases EDI's restrictions in ME2 ("If you start singing Daisy Bell...").

Because now thematic references = copy the whole plot.

[dfstone]

2001 was a psychological drama. It wasn't an action flick. Now maybe if Kubrick added invading giant space Sea Monkeys and blue skinned tentacile women you might be on to something.

[Ryokun1989]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ashwind wrote...

Because the people who dislike the ending are acting like a rioting mob. Look at the forum, how many "I hate the ending thread" is created every minute.

I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

And getting more arrogant by the second.

And this. Well said.

"We are nooooooooooooooot entitled! But we DO post loads of self absorbed, entitled demands and insults every day, hur dur!"

The IRONY of it all.

Wow, just wow. The arrogance of these posts is astounding.
Just.. how dare you. How DARE you claim I'm not a true fan. I was with the series since the beginning, and this ending devastated me, and you sit there and claim it's just an overreaction by whiny entitled people?

This is why nobody takes people who say they like the ending seriously, because of people like YOU.

That's not even what any of the post you quoted said.. they just called you self-absorbed and entitled. Which you continue to prove.
Lol, I'm not saying everyone who dislikes the ending is wrong, but you personally are definitely a moron.

[DemGeth]

Lightice_av wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Personally I prefer the novel in terms of the plot, though the movie is an audiovisual masterpiece. And you are remarkably blind if you manage to miss the myriad similarities in ME franchise towards 2001. Start with the Prothean Beacon and go from there.

2001  A Space Odyssey?  I don't see a similarity with that movie at all.  What I see in Mass Effect is a lot of allusion to the Battlestar Galactica reboot they did a few years ago.  They even hired two of the cast members to be voice actors.  Which I don't mind 'cause that show was like the best tv show ever.

There are inspirations taken from many science fiction sources in Mass Effect, but I can assure you that 2001: Space Odyssey is one of them. The Prothean Beacons are a transparent shout out to the Monoliths in 2001, as is the sidequest that gives you a perspective of a primitive human studied by the Protheans. In ME3 the existence of the force beyond the Reapers that can be inferred rather than observed, as explained by Vendetta likewise bears a great resemblance to the way the Firstcomers are described in the Space Odyssey novels. Joker outright refers to HAL's fate when he releases EDI's restrictions in ME2 ("If you start singing Daisy Bell...").

Those are shout outs more than anything else though I think.  Most modern Sci-Fi has a couple shout outs to 2001 

[Cartims]

The endings are crap...plain and simple, my opinion and thousands of others, if they fix it or not is not the problem....the damage is done

[The Angry One]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

That's not even what any of the post you quoted said.. they just called you self-absorbed and entitled. Which you continue to prove.
Lol, I'm not saying everyone who dislikes the ending is wrong, but you personally are definitely a moron.

I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.

[smegmalongbeach]

Lightice_av wrote...

Frosteeze wrote...

Agreed. For a lot of people ME3 is the first in the series. They won't get why it's disappointing because they haven't capture that magic BioWare made when the rest of us played the first or even the second game. I don't blame them either. If I haven't played the previous 2 games before, I would be none the wiser.

So why are you the one with only ME3 logo on your avatar, while I have every game in the franchise under my belt? 

because some people are not forum warriors

and I have not only every mass effect comic/book/game under my belt but every bioware game too so whos the big man now

/flexs nerd e-peen

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

Because now thematic references = copy the whole plot.

How the hell is the ending of ME3 copying the whole plot of 2001: Space Odyssey? Show me the point where the Star Child took control of some civilization-destroying superweapons again.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

How the hell is the ending of ME3 copying the whole plot of 2001: Space Odyssey? Show me the point where the Star Child took control of some civilization-destroying superweapons again.

As in, the nonsensicalness of it. The "let's leave it open to speculation!" thing.

[smegmalongbeach]

DemGeth wrote...

2001 is the greatest Sci-Fi movie made.

And has nothing to do with ME lol

someone never watched the mass effect documentry on ME2

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.

He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.