smegmalongbeach wrote...
DemGeth wrote...
2001 is the greatest Sci-Fi movie made.
And has nothing to do with ME lol
someone never watched the mass effect documentry on ME2
saracen16 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.
He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.
Caz Neerg wrote...
saracen16 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.
He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.
To be fair, as a total percentage of their respective sides, there do seem to be more trolls on the pro-ending side than the anti-ending side.
Caz Neerg wrote...
Ryokun1989 wrote...
Caz Neerg wrote...
My point is that it is perfectly legitimate to look at the various components of a piece and judge them seperately. That is why at something like the Academy Awards they don't just have best picture, they have awards by category. My point is that, pretty much solely because of the wide variety of issues with the ending, it is unlikely that anyone would even consider giving ME3 any writing awards. And that is a real shame, because of how well they were doing until they reached that point.
That's an opinion I don't agree with. I think the story works really well as a video game story. They make use of elements of the classical monomyth (which generally works well in games) and manage to add a layer of symbolism and depth that most games don't, much of it through the actual gameplay of taking choices.
That doesn't mean it'd still be a good story if it was a movie. But it's a great game story.
In fact, if you want to hear my *criticisms* of the story, it'll mostly be about how disjointed it somehow is primarily in Mass Effect 2.
If you want another example, there's an indie game called Braid. It wouldn't make a good movie, but due to the way it's presented in the game it really works.
Saying that a story works well as a "video game story" is the same as saying a woman looks good "for her age." It's the same thing as admitting it doesn't work well on it's own merits, if it did, you wouldn't need the qualifier.
If they wanted to add transhumanist symbolism and nihilistic overtones, they needed to start in ME1, and maintain the hints/foreshadowing throughout the series. As recently as the confrontation with TIM in the Citadel, Shepard was a character literally incapable of supporting the "Control" option. Then we get the Catalyst with logic a five year old could sail a battleship through, and Shepard just trots off to do his bidding. It's lazy, and the franchise deserved better.
saracen16 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.
He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.
The Angry One wrote...
Wow, just wow. The arrogance of these posts is astounding.I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?
Just.. how dare you. How DARE you claim I'm not a true fan. I was with the series since the beginning, and this ending devastated me, and you sit there and claim it's just an overreaction by whiny entitled people?
This is why nobody takes people who say they like the ending seriously, because of people like YOU.
The Angry One wrote...
Persephone wrote...
ashwind wrote...
Because the people who dislike the ending are acting like a rioting mob. Look at the forum, how many "I hate the ending thread" is created every minute.And getting more arrogant by the second.I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?
And this. Well said.
"We are nooooooooooooooot entitled! But we DO post loads of self absorbed, entitled demands and insults every day, hur dur!"
The IRONY of it all.
Wow, just wow. The arrogance of these posts is astounding.
Just.. how dare you. How DARE you claim I'm not a true fan. I was with the series since the beginning, and this ending devastated me, and you sit there and claim it's just an overreaction by whiny entitled people?
This is why nobody takes people who say they like the ending seriously, because of people like YOU.
Ryokun1989 wrote...
Control is just one expression of 'order', which is what ALL paragon choices are about. I'm sorry, but it really feels like you haven't been paying attention at all!
saracen16 wrote...
Caz Neerg wrote...
saracen16 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.
He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.
To be fair, as a total percentage of their respective sides, there do seem to be more trolls on the pro-ending side than the anti-ending side.
I disagree: I have yet to see a troll from "our" side.
The Angry One wrote...
Ryokun1989 wrote...
Control is just one expression of 'order', which is what ALL paragon choices are about. I'm sorry, but it really feels like you haven't been paying attention at all!
Paragon is about selflessness and duty. Not order. This has been consistently portrayed in all 3 games.
It seems you're the one not paying attention.
dfstone wrote...
2001 was about the human condition. What it means to be a person, who am I, what am I, why am I alive? That kind of thing. The fact it was set in space is incidental. I mean there's like a slim nod to it with the beacons vs the monolith and the whole geth/hal 9000 thing but very VERY slim. Making the jump from that to full on comparison of the 2 is quite a leap. The stories aren't even remotely similar.
Modifié par xsdob, 19 mars 2012 - 06:11 .
Persephone wrote...
And your HYPOCRISY is even more astounding.
How DARE you put words in my mouth? I wasn't even talking to you?
So it DEVASTATED you? Tough cookies, so what?
Posts like the OP's ARE nothing but an overraction of whiny entiled people. But hey. another of your "movement" compared the endings to the effin' HOLOCAUST.
That is why I am NOT taking you folks seriously, because of behavior like THAT.
The Angry One wrote...
saracen16 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I'm going to quote this so that even if it gets deleted we can see just what people like you resort to when you have nothing left to add.
He has a point, though. If the trolls on your side don't tone down their insults, ravings, and whining, many people will see you as such.
I will however express anger at those who mock us, especially Persephone who's been making spurious arguments that people like me have refuted for days now, and now resorts to open attacks.
Modifié par Persephone, 19 mars 2012 - 06:15 .
Caz Neerg wrote...
Seriously? With all the people who make statements like "This is the best ending ever, and anyone who doesn't see that just isn't smart enough to get how deep it is!" and then refuse to explain where the depth is or respond to any of the criticisms about the ending, you don't see *any* trolls?
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Cartims wrote...
The endings are crap...plain and simple, my opinion and thousands of others, if they fix it or not is not the problem....the damage is done
Modifié par greengoron89, 19 mars 2012 - 06:12 .
Ryokun1989 wrote...
I used 'as' and not 'for' for a reason. Stories aren't magical entities floating around.
The medium is the message definitely applies here (Marshall McLuhan).
And ermm... don't know about nihilism, but have you followed ANY of the plotlines about uplifting? It STARTS with humanity ascending to the next (technological) level by finding the Mass Relay. Big evolutionary steps are a very large part of the entire Mass Effect Story.
Control is just one expression of 'order', which is what ALL paragon choices are about. I'm sorry, but it really feels like you haven't been paying attention at all!
Ryokun1989 wrote...
That's still the control ending. Shepard selfleslly gives himself to control the synthetics for eternity.
But it's also about order, whereas renegade represents chaos.
Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 06:16 .
The Angry One wrote...
You constantly generalise us, this isn't the first time.
No, I wouldn't expect you to care. That's a shame really, I would care were our roles reversed.
Thematically, the endings do in fact endorse genocide and intolerance.
If you inferred from that, that their real life impact was the same then... well, can't help you with that.
And this is why I don't take you seriously, because you refuse to see it from other people's perspectives.
The Angry One wrote...
Ryokun1989 wrote...
That's still the control ending. Shepard selfleslly gives himself to control the synthetics for eternity.
But it's also about order, whereas renegade represents chaos.
Yeah like the Illusive Man wanted to.
Wait, what?
The Angry One wrote...
Ryokun1989 wrote...
That's still the control ending. Shepard selfleslly gives himself to control the synthetics for eternity.
But it's also about order, whereas renegade represents chaos.
Yeah like the Illusive Man wanted to.
Wait, what?
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