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[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Lies.

Because?

Aw, YOU are not taking me seriously? It HURTS. It burnssssssss!<_<

No, nobody is.

Except, that's not true. Joker is still Joker. Edi is still Edi. They still love each other. ETC.

Because the ending is so badly presented that yes, they're still different (and hence the entire exercise was pointless). The THOUGHT behind synthesis though is "make everything the same = PEACE".

Aw, another favorite word your "movement" keeps abusing. Yeesh.

Not helping yourself.

No. Not while they are actively doing this.

In your mind at least.

Also, your manner of quoting is annoying.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[dfstone]

I thought it was pretty obvious the ghost kid was lying. One of the running themes through all the games is how the Reapers play mind tricks on you. The option that the ghost kid seemed to want you to pick was the synergy option, is also the same option that tricked Saren in ME1. I thought it was kinda obvious which one to choose. And I guess I was right 'cause it was the only option where Shepherd lives.

[Lankist]

Persephone wrote...

Not a "fact" at all.

It's the fact that we were left with--the last thing we saw of the entire franchise. Whatever speculation you make thereafter is completely irrelevant, because if that were intended, it would have been in the game.

Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Vikali]

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

Modifié par KitePolaris, 19 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Alamar2078]

Lankist wrote...

No writer is going to act as though criticism is irrelevant, at least not one that has made it far enough in their career to work with an editor.

I didn't mean to imply that other writers / artists think criticism is silly.  From the people [on this board] that I've dealt with that seem to like the endings they do seem "artistically inclined" and don't seem to have problem with the endings and therefore are against the crticism the ending is getting.

My sample size is small so perhaps it shouldn't be generalized.

YMMV

[Lightice_av]

iceman6773 wrote...

I can understand why some people could like the ending. I just don't know how a true Mass Effect fan could with such little difference and choice in the endings.

My Shepard would have shot that ghost kid for making me chose between suicide, suicide, and suicide. Just my thoughts.

Not even Renegade Shepard would doom the galaxy out of spite. Shepard is already dying, and wants to save people at any cost.

As I've said, I don't hate the endings, but that doesn't mean that I don't see some problems. I find that most would be fixed simply by adding a customized montage in the credits of how various people react to the world that you've left for them.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Not after ME1, it was NOT.

Yes, they did bad things. They were not "good".
In mE2, it was not clear they were entirely "bad" either.

And we knew little to NOTHING about the Reapers at the beginning of ME3. All we know are the cycles. Nothing else.

We know they kill everything and use them to either maker more Reapers, or make armies of husks.

[dfstone]

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

I agree with you except when it comes to the relays.  The problem with that is if you played The Arrival DLC in ME2, they said that if you destroy a relay it destroys the star system the relay is in.  So if every relay is destroyed at the end of ME3 that means every single civilization in the game has gone extinct.

[The Angry One]

Ambiguity, I'm not going to explain AGAIN why it's surrender. Read my posts.
Shepard does not challenge the kid's assertions once.

As for not explaining Joker's flight... that's a plot hole. It's not explained. He should be at the battle but he isn't. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLOT HOLE.

[AtreiyaN7]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

Being a jerk AND making assumptions - bravo. You're making your side look great. As always, I'll point out that in my case it's because I found it philosophical and the idea behind the ending to be quite fitting for my Shepard - despite being aware of the issues. Would you now like to accuse me of being stupid? 

BTW, there's not even an actual "action" mode, which you should know if you played ME3 - you can choose under the narrative option to make full decisions or not. In my eyes, the decision I made does not go against "the whole purpose of the series" when the purpose of the series was to, you know, stop the Reapers (on one level at any rate). And finally, I have somewhere around 200 hours in the series, so I am a longtime fan who was fine with the endings.

[Xeranx]

The Angry One wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

 I love the ending because it was so emotionally powerful for me. I agree that it had plenty of inconsistencies, but it did not have any more inconsistency than the games have had in the past (and that ME3 had up to that point).

Come at me bros.

Shepard surrendering and Joker abandoning Shepard are major lore-breaking inconsistencies. 
They are two things neither character would ever do.

They're inconsistent because they're all in Shepard's head.  Those are miraculous outcomes.  Both the synergy and destroy endings I got have Joker make miraculous crash landings onto a lush garden paradise after being forcefully disengaged from Mass Relay travel: Synergy it's just a failing and Destroy, the ship explodes.

Actually they're beyond miraculous.  It's the hand of God at work in those endings which is why I think those endings are in Shepard's head.  Why wouldn't (s)he want their crew to make it after they make their sacrifice?  That's what they're working for and it's the one thing they want the most.  So it will play out in the best way possible for them because this is what they truly want.

The only difference, however, is that someone with N7 tags takes a breath in the end after the destroy ending.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Because?

No, nobody is.

The THOUGHT behind synthesis though is "make everything the same = PEACE".

Also, your manner of quoting is annoying.

Because the whole "All that's different are the colors!" argument is a lie.

You know EVERYBODY. Sure. *Snerks* Now THAT is ridiculous.

According to YOU.

Live with it or not. I will not chaaaaaange it to suit you.

[Vikali]

dfstone wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

I agree with you except when it comes to the relays.  The problem with that is if you played The Arrival DLC in ME2, they said that if you destroy a relay it destroys the star system the relay is in.  So if every relay is destroyed at the end of ME3 that means every single civilization in the game has gone extinct.

Except in Arrival you threw a meteor in the relay, it didnt't overload.

[Lankist]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Lankist wrote...

No writer is going to act as though criticism is irrelevant, at least not one that has made it far enough in their career to work with an editor.

I didn't mean to imply that other writers / artists think criticism is silly.  From the people [on this board] that I've dealt with that seem to like the endings they do seem "artistically inclined" and don't seem to have problem with the endings and therefore are against the crticism the ending is getting.

My sample size is small so perhaps it shouldn't be generalized.

YMMV

I know, I'm just saying that serious artists and writers know that dismissing the audience off-hand because it's "their vision" is what puts the "starving" in "starving artist."

[Persephone]

Lankist wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Not a "fact" at all.

It's the fact that we were left with--the last thing we saw of the entire franchise. Whatever speculation you make thereafter is completely irrelevant, because if that were intended, it would have been in the game.

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

According to the fact that the galaxy was destroyed and the entire armada was stranded in Sol to wither and die.

Not a "fact" at all.

All mass relays destroyed = fact.
Fleet stranded around a devastated Earth =  fact.
Citadel will drop on Earth in two ending variants = fact.
According to everything we've been told up till now, isolated clusters will just not recover for centuries. The galaxy has been united only to be divided and smashed to pieces.

[saracen16]

savionen wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And mine, too. I liked the fact that the ending was really involving, and forced you to think about your previous decisions in the game.

lol, how did it make you think about your previous decisions? None of them even mattered.

I'm deeply and gravely sorry, but what you and The Angry One are saying is entirely bull****. And I'll tell you why.

You're telling me the decisions to keep Kaidan or Ashley alive didn't matter? Or that Wrex survived, Mordin survived, Maelon's data was saved, leading to the genophage being cured, Eve still alive, Wrex promoting expansion while Eve, still alive, acts as a political balance to him? Where were you prior to the last 10 minutes of the game? You're telling me that rewriting the geth heretics didn't net me a bonus in geth fleet strength? That saving the Destiny Ascension didn't add to my war assets and subtract from some of them (i.e. Alliance fleets that got sacrificed)? That saving Jenna from Chora's Den, being nice to Conrad, acquiring ALL of Matriarch Dilinaga's writings in Mass Effect 1, and getting Gavin Hossle's data for him on Feros didn't help me catch that Cerberus spy in the docking area without killing Conrad AND netting me a war asset for the Crucible?

That not saving Kirrahe on Virmire and Thane in the Collector Mission lead to the Salarian councillor being executed and made convincing Kaidan or Ashley even more difficult than it was that Udina is a traitor? That having Legion and Tali alive as well as Admiral Zaal'Koris advocating for peace while the rest of the Quarians were told not to go against the Geth led to Commander Shepard having more leverage than, say, Han'Gerrel the warmongerer? That saving the Rachni queen on Noveria led to her being recaptured by the Reapers and thus freeing her netted me a war asset, whereas if I free her if she was killed on Noveria results in a significant decline in my war assets?

I could go on.

Go play the game again and then tell me that my decisions didn't matter.

Modifié par saracen16, 19 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[GhostlyMaiden]

Alamar2078 wrote...

I would imagine the folks that like the ending fall into one of several camps:

-- Those folks that are not hip-deep in the ME franchise [I.E. newer customer]

-Let's see. I have played all three games. Have done 20 something playthroughs of ME1 (wanted to get all Shepards to level 60). About 12 or so playthroughs of ME2. Bought every book except Deception. Took the time to read at least 70% of the codex.

-- Customers that do NOT want standard endings and want something / anything REALLy different

-This ending was standard. The mass relays were destroyed in an effort to suggest that civilization was planning to go its own way. The problem is they didn't make the mass relays inherently bad and the way they made the geth sympathetic weakened the man vs. technology theme. Otherwise it would have also been considered that the civilization would have been better off without them. Ending focus should have been recovery (showing people cleaning up Earth), not rebirth (current endings). What I'm amazed by is that so many didn't see this coming.

Was expecting Starchild to be some sort of Master Controller of the Reapers and a final boss. Close enough I guess.

-- BSG or Duex Ex fans

Never seen the show. Never played the game. I'm actually a bit more interested in playing it now after this fiasco.

-- Writers & artists defending their brothers [maybe possibly liking the ending]

I am neither.

Still don't hate the ending.

Modifié par GhostlyMaiden, 19 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[xsdob]

How long till these arguments start getting into the "offensive language" or "hate speech" category and the mods come in to stop it, I'm betting between 5 hours and 2 weeks.

[AtreiyaN7]

The Angry One wrote...

Ambiguity, I'm not going to explain AGAIN why it's surrender. Read my posts.
Shepard does not challenge the kid's assertions once.

As for not explaining Joker's flight... that's a plot hole. It's not explained. He should be at the battle but he isn't. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLOT HOLE.

Oh, look who's using their favorite word again. I should start a drinking game based on some of the posts here. I'll need to compile a list, but so far I have:

surrender
plot holes
space magic
you're dumb if you liked the endings
if you like the endings, then explain to me <x>

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

[Shiran]

The Angry One wrote...

We have stated quite clearly that what we want is a reflection of our actions upon the ending.
Bleak endings should be for those who don't gather war assets or make certain choices, better endings should be for those that do. I trust BioWare to not repeat their mistakes IF they admit they made one, and to make endings their way as they always have.

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is the only one that fully aborts the cycle instead of merely postponing it, and it the one ending on the most romantic note.

[Lightice_av]

I agree with you except when it comes to the relays. The problem with that is if you played The Arrival DLC in ME2, they said that if you destroy a relay it destroys the star system the relay is in. So if every relay is destroyed at the end of ME3 that means every single civilization in the game has gone extinct.

Bull****. It says nothing of the sort. In that particular solar system the Relay happened to be right on top of the only inhabited world in the system. Everywhere else they have been far on the edges of systems, not remotely close enough to cause harm even if they blew up at full power. And that's not what we see in the ending. We see them torn apart by the force of their own blasts. The energy that might have gone to massive explosions instead goes to the energy surges that spread the Crucible's energy across the entire network.

[dfstone]

KitePolaris wrote...

dfstone wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

I agree with you except when it comes to the relays.  The problem with that is if you played The Arrival DLC in ME2, they said that if you destroy a relay it destroys the star system the relay is in.  So if every relay is destroyed at the end of ME3 that means every single civilization in the game has gone extinct.

Except in Arrival you threw a meteor in the relay, it didnt't overload.

I suppose, but it is one of the things that is not made very clear at the end.