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[Vikali]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

According to the fact that the galaxy was destroyed and the entire armada was stranded in Sol to wither and die.

Not a "fact" at all.

All mass relays destroyed = fact.
Fleet stranded around a devastated Earth =  fact.
Citadel will drop on Earth in two ending variants = fact.
According to everything we've been told up till now, isolated clusters will just not recover for centuries. The galaxy has been united only to be divided and smashed to pieces.

In the grand scheme of things, everything that happened in the Sol system was a small percentage of the populations.  Perhaps the galaxy wasn't ready for all it had, but that doesnt mean in those future centuries, it cannot happen again. God knows they have all the resources that just need to be discovered.

Modifié par KitePolaris, 19 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[The Angry One]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ambiguity, I'm not going to explain AGAIN why it's surrender. Read my posts.
Shepard does not challenge the kid's assertions once.

As for not explaining Joker's flight... that's a plot hole. It's not explained. He should be at the battle but he isn't. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLOT HOLE.

Oh, look who's using their favorite word again. I should start a drinking game based on some of the posts here. I'll need to compile a list, but so far I have:

surrender
plot holes
space magic

I'm sorry you appear to have trouble when proper words are used in context. Perhaps you should work out these issues.

I omit the last two, because they do not apply to this.

[Lankist]

Persephone wrote...

Lankist wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Not a "fact" at all.

It's the fact that we were left with--the last thing we saw of the entire franchise. Whatever speculation you make thereafter is completely irrelevant, because if that were intended, it would have been in the game.

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

If you need to flash-forward however many centuries into the future to find one semi-happy moment to leave on, perhaps it is not all that happy of an ending.

The "big picture" ending simply does not work because everything prior to the eleventh hour was a narrowly-focused character drama. It'd be like ending Friends by killing all of the Friends in a massive bus accident on their way to that coffee place, then flash-forwarding to the year 2183 just to show that the coffee place still exists. Nobody cares about the rest of the galaxy. The only reason anybody cared about Tuchanka was because they cared about Wrex; the only reason anyone cared about Rannoch was because they cared about Tali and Legion, etc. etc.

Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Ryokun1989]

Xeranx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

 I love the ending because it was so emotionally powerful for me. I agree that it had plenty of inconsistencies, but it did not have any more inconsistency than the games have had in the past (and that ME3 had up to that point).

Come at me bros.

Shepard surrendering and Joker abandoning Shepard are major lore-breaking inconsistencies. 
They are two things neither character would ever do.

They're inconsistent because they're all in Shepard's head.  Those are miraculous outcomes.  Both the synergy and destroy endings I got have Joker make miraculous crash landings onto a lush garden paradise after being forcefully disengaged from Mass Relay travel: Synergy it's just a failing and Destroy, the ship explodes.

Actually they're beyond miraculous.  It's the hand of God at work in those endings which is why I think those endings are in Shepard's head.  Why wouldn't (s)he want their crew to make it after they make their sacrifice?  That's what they're working for and it's the one thing they want the most.  So it will play out in the best way possible for them because this is what they truly want.

The only difference, however, is that someone with N7 tags takes a breath in the end after the destroy ending.

It is the Hand of God at work! But that doesn't mean they're in Shepard's head! ;D

http://social.biowar...ndex/10237724/3 

Modifié par Ryokun1989, 19 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

Prove it's just ONE planet. Wait, you can't, can you?

[Dimensio]

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

Perhaps you will be able to explain, then, how the various decisions made by a player throughout the series are reflected in the ending, as was promised by the developers.

[Vikali]

dfstone wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

dfstone wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

I agree with you except when it comes to the relays.  The problem with that is if you played The Arrival DLC in ME2, they said that if you destroy a relay it destroys the star system the relay is in.  So if every relay is destroyed at the end of ME3 that means every single civilization in the game has gone extinct.

Except in Arrival you threw a meteor in the relay, it didnt't overload.

I suppose, but it is one of the things that is not made very clear at the end.

It's pretty clear the explosions are the corresponding energies spreading. And those explosions in the cinimatic were pretty small as well. Looking at how large the systems with in clusters are, there's no way those small booms hit everything.

[The Angry One]

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

It is the only one that fully aborts the cycle instead of merely postponing it, and it the one ending on the most romantic note.

It does no such thing. It merely makes all organics into hybrids. We're supposed to assume that changes something?
It changes nothing. Also, Reapers were hybrids. Also, the machine race the Protheans fought were hybrids. Oops.

[Cartims]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ambiguity, I'm not going to explain AGAIN why it's surrender. Read my posts.
Shepard does not challenge the kid's assertions once.

As for not explaining Joker's flight... that's a plot hole. It's not explained. He should be at the battle but he isn't. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLOT HOLE.

Oh, look who's using their favorite word again. I should start a drinking game based on some of the posts here. I'll need to compile a list, but so far I have:

surrender
plot holes
space magic
you're dumb if you liked the endings
if you like the endings, then explain to me <x>

I'll play that game, at least i will be able to enjoy ME3 in someway...errr...you go first.

[Ryokun1989]

The Angry One, you should have saved up more assets.

If you do that the pulse doesn't incinerate planets.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Prove it's just ONE planet. Wait, you can't, can you?

Prove it isn't. Wait, you can't, can you?

That's the problem.

[dfstone]

The relays being destroyed isn't that big of a deal because they can still travel to other stars, just not other star clusters. You can go to other stars in a cluster without using a relay. So its not like anyone is "trapped" on earth.

[savionen]

saracen16 wrote...

savionen wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And mine, too. I liked the fact that the ending was really involving, and forced you to think about your previous decisions in the game.

lol, how did it make you think about your previous decisions? None of them even mattered.

I'm deeply and gravely sorry, but what you and The Angry One are saying is entirely bull****. And I'll tell you why.

You're telling me the decisions to keep Kaidan or Ashley alive didn't matter? Or that Wrex survived, Mordin survived, Maelon's data was saved, leading to the genophage being cured, Eve still alive, Wrex promoting expansion while Eve, still alive, acts as a political balance to him? Where were you prior to the last 10 minutes of the game? You're telling me that rewriting the geth heretics didn't net me a bonus in geth fleet strength? That saving the Destiny Ascension didn't add to my war assets and subtract from some of them (i.e. Alliance fleets that got sacrificed)? That saving Jenna from Chora's Den, being nice to Conrad, acquiring ALL of Matriarch Dilinaga's writings in Mass Effect 1, and getting Gavin Hossle's data for him on Feros didn't help me catch that Cerberus spy in the docking area without killing Conrad AND netting me a war asset for the Crucible?

That not saving Kirrahe on Virmire and Thane in the Collector Mission lead to the Salarian councillor being executed and made convincing Kaidan or Ashley even more difficult than it was that Udina is a traitor? That having Legion and Tali alive as well as Admiral Zaal'Koris advocating for peace while the rest of the Quarians were told not to go against the Geth led to Commander Shepard having more leverage than, say, Han'Gerrel the warmongerer? That saving the Rachni queen on Noveria led to her being recaptured by the Reapers and thus freeing her netted me a war asset, whereas if I free her if she was killed on Noveria results in a significant decline in my war assets?

I could go on.

Go play the game again and then tell me that my decisions didn't matter.

You can get 4k+ or 5k+ war assets even if your entire crew from ME2 is dead, and you barely do anything in ME3. Infact, you only need 3k for Synthesis. I had 9k war assets at the end of ME3. I would have gotten the same ending if I didn't do nearly half of the game.

Everything that happens in ME3 is irrelevant to the ending and has no bearing on the ending, other than what you personally may choose that you don't want to Destroy so that you don't potentially kill the Geth you just saved. And even then, the 3 choices are basically the same since they are vague.

All 3 endings the mass relays are destroyed. All 3 endings Shepard "dies". All 3 endings the Reapers are "gone" but are still capable of coming back.

Modifié par savionen, 19 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[Kia Purity]

Had to explain a friend who didn't understand why the endings are so hated-- and he was like "oh wow, I didn't realize the problems"
He also thought the indoc theory made more sense when I mentioned it because it's just so god-awful difficult to understand why they went with the ending"s".

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

Ambiguity, I'm not going to explain AGAIN why it's surrender. Read my posts.
Shepard does not challenge the kid's assertions once.

"By wiping out organic life?!" "But you're taking away our future. Without future, we have no hope. Without hope, we might as well be machines, programmed to do what we're told."

As for not explaining Joker's flight... that's a plot hole. It's not explained. He should be at the battle but he isn't. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLOT HOLE.

Does it HAVE to be explained? Why wasn't Joker's presence in the Andura sector with the entire Arcturus Fleet by the time Shepard made it to the Citadel Tower explained in ME1?

[Lightice_av]

All mass relays destroyed = fact.
Fleet stranded around a devastated Earth = fact.
Citadel will drop on Earth in two ending variants = fact.
According to everything we've been told up till now, isolated clusters will just not recover for centuries. The galaxy has been united only to be divided and smashed to pieces.

And this is why I said you preferred lowest common denominator to ambiguity. You fail to remember that the Mass Relays were nothing but a system of control by the Reapers to keep the organics in line, and caused cultural and technological stagnation for millennia. Their destruction means liberty from the chains of covert oppression into freedom and uncertainty.

But the Reaper tech is ripe for taking without danger in all three endings. Who says that Relays can't be rebuilt, this time with full understanding? What's wrong with people's imagination, here?

[DrowNoble]

People go off about ME3 being artistic and such, which is completely irrelevant to the issue we have with the endings.

Forget opinions for a sec, they lied about the features of their product (ME3).

They said 17 different endings: FALSE there is only 3 max.

They said choices would affect ending: FALSE, choice is irrelevant.

They said choices made in trilogy would culminate in the end: FALSE, choices are meaningless.

Glowing Blue Boy stated to me, that organics and sythetics can't get along. Yet I proved this wrong with the geth/quarians and EDI/Joker. This is one example of what I did had ZERO impact on the end.

Remember people: HOLD THE LINE

[Everwarden]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

Because people that don't support the ending have simmered down a bit, maybe? It does seem as if things have calmed down a bit...

It's more likely because they are locking down a lot of the anti-ending threads and calling them spam.

[Almostfaceman]

Flummox wrote...

This is exactly why people who didn't hate the ending have probably hesitated to post about it.

It's a video game series, one I happen to love and have invested hundreds of hours in, but it's a game.
It's entertainment. Why in the world would someone want to put up with being called a drone or stupid
for not agreeing with the mob when they could be, you know, enjoying another playthrough of the last
installment of their favorite game series instead?

I really feel for the people who hated the ending. Waiting years, putting countless hours into something
and being disappointed stinks. I get that. I'm actually grateful that I didn't hate the ending. An epilogue
would be nice. In a rational world people get to have differing opinions.

We aren't discussing life or death here - it's a game.

To answer your question, when I finished my first playthrough I came here excited to discuss it and
was greeted with endless hate threads... So I went back to playing the game... It does seem to have
eased up a bit (but not enough, really) so maybe people are coming out of the woodwork.

Discuss is the key word here. If you're not ready to discuss the ending of the game, don't post. The vast majority on this board hate the ending. So, if you post on this board, you're going to have to justify your position with discussion and debate - just like any forum. That's what it's here for. That's why this place exists. It's a place to give your feedback with reasons. Nobody respects "The ending sucks" just as nobody respects "I liked the ending". You have to tell us why. Because that's what you're doing - you're announcing your opinion to thousands of people. This isn't a personal email to Bioware. So stop acting surprised that you'll have to defend your position if you post it on a message board.

[Shiran]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

Really? The Stargazer explicitlely tells you there are billions of stars in just this one Galaxy and there is Life around them. Is it really so hard to see that just because you didn't get a slide show of each and every planet that were not Reaped due to Shepards's Choice doesn't mean they do not exisit?

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

According to you. You ask for respect, yet you sneer at anyone who likes the endings. Yeesh, LET THEM.

[The Angry One]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

The Angry One, you should have saved up more assets.

If you do that the pulse doesn't incinerate planets.

Sigh.
All endings destroy the relays.
All endings strand the fleet.
Destroy and synthesis always end with the 100% likelihood that Earth will be devastated when the Citadel breaks up and impacts.

[Xeranx]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

It is the Hand of God at work! But that doesn't mean they're in Shepard's head! ;D

http://social.biowar...ndex/10237724/3 

So wait?  A developer actually stated that Joker did, indeed, escape?  If so, my response is:

[Vikali]

Dimensio wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

From day one I have liked the endings.

I have always expected my Shepard to die. The Mass Effect relays exploding doesn't upset me because there's more to the universe and opens doors for galactic civilization to rebuild off its own bearings, if it does at all. So, we have a bunch of aliens trapped in the Sol system who will die/starve/whatever. People forget the whole galaxy wasn't in the Sol system. All the Quarians didn't fight. You can bet they didn't take their civilian ships to that war. I highly doubt all the Krogan were there, so the whole Krogan being extinct lies moot with me.

Sometimes big losses need to be had for a brighter future. And should the universe expand, it's better it does it with Shepard as a legend to avoid any discrepancies with peoples' interpretation of who Shepard was.

Mass Effect was more than Shepard and his crew, and the galaxy is certainly bigger than all the armies combined. I stand by my position since I completed the game.

Perhaps you will be able to explain, then, how the various decisions made by a player throughout the series are reflected in the ending, as was promised by the developers.

I can tell you the second repaers were presented as demigods that took large quantities of our numbers to just destroy a handful, I was pretty suspicious the only way to defeat them would be a thing like this.

And I think my decisions mattered. The last moments with my current and former crew were very touching, and I felt, as well as my shep, that we all went though a tremendous journey and that it was goodbay. And thank you for sticking with me. That sort of jazz.

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

But one poll equals entire fanbase.

Modifié par xsdob, 19 mars 2012 - 07:10 .