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[Lankist]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

Prove it's just ONE planet. Wait, you can't, can you?

If it wasn't in the game then it is completely irrelevant. We are judging only by what we saw, and what we saw was not good. You can't say we need to "use our imaginations," our imaginations don't cost $60 to use.

FYI, speculation and ambiguity are the antithesis to closure. You simply cannot have both.

Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[The Angry One]

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

Really? The Stargazer explicitlely tells you there are billions of stars in just this one Galaxy and there is Life around them. Is it really so hard to see that just because you didn't get a slide show of each and every planet that were not Reaped due to Shepards's Choice doesn't mean they do not exisit?

How does he know? Do YOU know if there's intelligent life in this galaxy right now?

[Arathon]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


We were promised that we would get significantly different endings depending on our choices.
Instead we got 3 variants of one ending, with 2 more colours being unlocked as you raise an arbitrary score.

No.

Just no? Another reason why you're not taken seriously.

Intolerance? Hardly. Against whom?

Against everything different. Synthesis presumes that the only way to achieve permanent peace is to make everybody the same

I excused nothing, and you are strawmanning the issue to imply that people are equating real life horror with this issue. Stop it.

Lies.

Aw, YOU are not taking me seriously? It HURTS. It burnssssssss!<_<

Except, that's not true. Joker is still Joker. Edi is still Edi. They still love each other. ETC.

Aw, another favorite word your "movement" keeps abusing. Yeesh.

No. Not while they are actively doing this.

Ignor the troll simply do it.

[dfstone]

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

It is the only one that fully aborts the cycle instead of merely postponing it, and it the one ending on the most romantic note.

It does no such thing. It merely makes all organics into hybrids. We're supposed to assume that changes something?
It changes nothing. Also, Reapers were hybrids. Also, the machine race the Protheans fought were hybrids. Oops.

The synergy option is the same option the reapers used to indoctrinate Saren in ME1.  The control option is the same option they used to indoctrinate the Illusive Man.  The destroy option is the only one that the Alliance and Shepherd have consistently stuck with. 

[Persephone]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

The Angry One, you should have saved up more assets.

If you do that the pulse doesn't incinerate planets.

Never mind that logic.....

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

According to you. You ask for respect, yet you sneer at anyone who likes the endings. Yeesh, LET THEM.

I called synthesis nonsensical. It is. It makes no sense. It uses magic to solve a problem that exists only in the mind of the Catalyst.
How is that sneering at those who like it? You can like it all you want. It still makes no sense.

[savionen]

xsdob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

But one poll equals entire fanbase.

You know, IGN, G4 and Bioware all did polls, they all came out with about the same results. I didn't like the endings and didn't vote on IGN or G4. It's different groups. People that go to G4 or IGN don't necesarrily come to the Bioware forums.

[shamE12]

Say "hey dont post in their thread". what do people do? POST IN THEIR THREAD and give them free bumps, jesus people just ignore them and let the threads be buried.

Modifié par shamE12, 19 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Ryokun1989]

savionen wrote...

All 3 endings the mass relays are destroyed. All 3 endings Shepard "dies". All 3 endings the Reapers are "gone" but are still capable of coming back.

Eh? In the Destroy ending the Reapers are *destroyed*. So they can't come back. Possibly someone will create a new artificial race and cause a technological singularity, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT REAPERS ARE.

In the control ending the Reapers end up under Shepard's control. So, no they're not coming back. Unless Shepard decides the Cycle thing was a good solution after all.

In the Synthesis ending, the Reapers probably become like any other race. So in that case they're not coming back either...

Where did you get the idea from that they'd be coming back?

[kidbd15]

I say it's the developers sons and daughters, already having an account, coming to the support of their parents

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

According to you. You ask for respect, yet you sneer at anyone who likes the endings. Yeesh, LET THEM.

I called synthesis nonsensical. It is. It makes no sense. It uses magic to solve a problem that exists only in the mind of the Catalyst.
How is that sneering at those who like it? You can like it all you want. It still makes no sense.

It's no more magical than effin' biotics. Just let it go.

[Lightice_av]

Destroy and synthesis always end with the 100% likelihood that Earth will be devastated when the Citadel breaks up and impacts.

Nonsense. Apart from the fact that Earth was already devastated, the Citadel is breaking into tiny pieces in both endings. Nothing remotely enough to cause wider scale of destruction than the Reapers already have. Furthermore, it's filled with Eezo. Who knows where gravity flings that stuff.

[iceman6773]

Lightice_av wrote...

iceman6773 wrote...

I can understand why some people could like the ending. I just don't know how a true Mass Effect fan could with such little difference and choice in the endings.

My Shepard would have shot that ghost kid for making me chose between suicide, suicide, and suicide. Just my thoughts.

Not even Renegade Shepard would doom the galaxy out of spite. Shepard is already dying, and wants to save people at any cost.

As I've said, I don't hate the endings, but that doesn't mean that I don't see some problems. I find that most would be fixed simply by adding a customized montage in the credits of how various people react to the world that you've left for them.

I was kind of thinking to much of the indoctrination theory, and I just have to much of a hard time believing the Catalyst would actually give Shepard the choices to stop the Reapers at all. 

[Lankist]

savionen wrote...

xsdob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The last we saw was someone telling Shepard's story. So no, life thrived, not "everybody died" blabla.

Life persisted. On one planet. One planet does not equal galaxy.

But one poll equals entire fanbase.

You know, IGN, G4 and Bioware all did polls, they all came out with about the same results. I didn't like the endings and didn't vote on IGN or G4. It's different groups. People that go to G4 or IGN don't necesarrily come to the Bioware forums.

Add that a sample size of 50,000 individuals is about as close to infallibility as a poll can get.

[savionen]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

savionen wrote...

All 3 endings the mass relays are destroyed. All 3 endings Shepard "dies". All 3 endings the Reapers are "gone" but are still capable of coming back.

Eh? In the Destroy ending the Reapers are *destroyed*. So they can't come back. Possibly someone will create a new artificial race and cause a technological singularity, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT REAPERS ARE.

In the control ending the Reapers end up under Shepard's control. So, no they're not coming back. Unless Shepard decides the Cycle thing was a good solution after all.

In the Synthesis ending, the Reapers probably become like any other race. So in that case they're not coming back either...

Where did you get the idea from that they'd be coming back?

It doesn't directly destroy the Reapers. It sends out a pulse from the Mass Relays within the Milky Way, the Reapers don't live inside the Milky Way do they?


The Reapers are temporarily under Shepards control in the Control ending. God-kid even says it's a temporary solution.


In Synthesis, organic-synthetics can still create pure-synthetics, the main reason that organics were being killed.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

Well, it is already like that? Those who do not gather enough assets do not get option for best ending (green ending)

It is not the "best" ending at all, it is the most nonsensical.
And still destroys the galaxy.

According to you. You ask for respect, yet you sneer at anyone who likes the endings. Yeesh, LET THEM.

I called synthesis nonsensical. It is. It makes no sense. It uses magic to solve a problem that exists only in the mind of the Catalyst.
How is that sneering at those who like it? You can like it all you want. It still makes no sense.

It's no more magical than effin' biotics. Just let it go.

Biotics have a basis in established ME lore, with explanations and justifications available both in the story and in the codex.
Synthesis has no basis in anything and happens because it can. Also the scientists who built the synthesis machine didn't once examine it and even get a hint as to what they were building.

[Yttrian]

The negative tsunami has surged, now the positive backlash begins; which will see less pruning and more Bioware responses.

Problem is a sample size like this.

The sad part is; the supporters are the vocal minority of 2%.

[Lightice_av]

iceman6773 wrote...

I was kind of thinking to much of the indoctrination theory, and I just have to much of a hard time believing the Catalyst would actually give Shepard the choices to stop the Reapers at all. 

It's made pretty clear that the Catalyst isn't all that happy at its own solution; it just doesn't see a better option. That's where Shepard steps in.

[Cosmar]

I generally don't pay much attention to people who are unable to back up their opinions. It's fine if people like the endings, but when all they can say is that "it's artistic" or something to back that opinion up, I tend to ignore them.

[savionen]

By the way, it's MUCH easier to skew a poll if you're in the minority. One vote matters WAY more if you're in the group that has 1000 votes than the group that has 50000.

[dfstone]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotics have a basis in established ME lore, with explanations and justifications available both in the story and in the codex.
Synthesis has no basis in anything and happens because it can. Also the scientists who built the synthesis machine didn't once examine it and even get a hint as to what they were building.

Synergy was the entire plot line of ME1.

Modifié par dfstone, 19 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

Destroy and synthesis always end with the 100% likelihood that Earth will be devastated when the Citadel breaks up and impacts.

Nonsense. Apart from the fact that Earth was already devastated, the Citadel is breaking into tiny pieces in both endings. Nothing remotely enough to cause wider scale of destruction than the Reapers already have. Furthermore, it's filled with Eezo. Who knows where gravity flings that stuff.

The Citadel is 7 billion metric tons. Earth has been ruined, but still livable with aid.
The fallout from the Citadel's mass will cause a nuclear winter, tiny pieces or not. Moreover, breaking into tiny pieces is an outright lie. We see the wards start to buckle before the scene changes, but they are still largely intact.

[majormajormmajor]

Fecking ending defenders getting desperate. Backsides getting reamed in the polls, character assassination has failed, now they try the final desperate push of spamming the forums in the hope it will seem they outnumber the vocal minority of 90%

A truly pathetic and disgusting display from repugnant set of human swine