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Lately seeing a lot of people like the endings...why?


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SnakeStrike8 wrote...

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The popularity of The Jersey Shore has caused me to question the conclusion that intelligent life actually exists on Earth.


The computer that you're using to post this message, and the internet that exists all around you, and the roof over your head, and the electricity thrumming mightily beneath your feet and above your head, prove that intelligent life exists on Earth.


I am actually a complex simulation application running on a server farm.  I had assumed all other contributers here to be the same.

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Lightice_av wrote...

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I'm not speculating, I'm following on from what we SEE.

There's a name for that. It's "speculation".


No, speculation is coming up with answers based on what we aren't told.

The implications of what's going to happen to the Citadel are clear.

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dfstone wrote...

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In ME2 the Illusive Man wanted the Reaper Technology and from there wanted to figure out how to Control them so he could save humanity. Thats how he got indoctrinated.

That leaves you with 1 non-indoctrinated choice: destroy them.


TIM getting indoctrinated does not mean he was wrong, by any stretch of the mind just like Saren wasn't wrong at all about the Council doing **** against the Reapers and about you not being able to stop them conventionally.


Thats true, but there's only 1 choice of the 3 where people are truly free of the Reapers influence, and thats to destroy them.  In both of the others the Reapers survive in some form. 


And? Am I supposed to care about destroying them?

Instead how about I take Control and do whatever I want with them? 

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What it does is once again contradict the series’ theme and overall premise.


No, it doesn't. Mass Effect has always been about hard decisions from the outset.

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Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?


I'm honestly wondering if some of these posts aren't a bit of astroturf.maybe not alll of them but word choice and them seem to present a message that My suspicious mind makes me wonder if it's an attempt to make all the hot tempered folk on the 're-take' side do and say things that invalidate our movement as a whole

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Those who like the endings haven't thought about it as much as those that have. Or, at the very least, don't care about the numerous plot holes the ending contains.

Those who do care.. hate the endings.


I've had private debates with multiple people who thought the endings were fine... only to reveal they had no idea about the numerous plot holes the game contained...

So, based on those, ignorance is behind why anyone liked those endings...


More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.:pinched:

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I don't give a damn about Bioware's bloody honor. Got anything else?


I'll give you 10 gold pieces for your Sword of Shilling. That's a fair deal, yes?

(I'm trying to get my barter skill up.)

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saracen16 wrote...

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Forward to 00:45.


THAT WAS A TRANSMISSION FROM HAMMER (or their observers).
ONLY HACKETT CAN GIVE THE ORDER FOR A FLEET RETREAT.


Has it occurred to you that Hackett gave the order and these officers are relaying that order?

That's how chain of command works.

I'm not responding to anything else you say, you deliberately misinterpret everything to suit yourself, good day.


Translation: I can't respond to you because I can't disprove you.


Again, ground troops are still on the ground fighting the Reapers. Not retreating. Again, the fleet is still plainly fighting the Reapers as Shepard is talking to Starchild. This whole argument about someone giving a tactical retreat order is moot. That's why there's this observation that Joker is the only person running away. The game doesn't show anyone else running away.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 19 mars 2012 - 07:44 .


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I love how if you liked the ending you are a bioware shill.  

Sigh. 


Persephone wrote...

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Persephone wrote...

And why do you ASSUME I am a fanboy and prove my point by hurling out yet another insult? :?


Maybe because you defend Bioware's honor like they're Guinevere and you're Lancelot wielding the Sword of +1 Shilling? 


I don't give a damn about Bioware's bloody honor. Got anything else?



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The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

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Everwarden wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I don't give a damn about Bioware's bloody honor. Got anything else?


I'll give you 10 gold pieces for your Sword of Shilling. That's a fair deal, yes?

(I'm trying to get my barter skill up.)


Build your Coercion up first. Here's a DLC!:lol:

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Persephone wrote...

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.:pinched:


More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absored Persephone is. Thanks. :pinched:

No seriously all you're doing now is trolling anyone who dislikes the ending no matter what they say.

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The Angry One wrote...

No, speculation is coming up with answers based on what we aren't told.

The implications of what's going to happen to the Citadel are clear.



Far from it. The Citadel can tear apart, start going around the orbit or do something completely unpredictable because it's full of Eezo! You make up as negative interpretation as you can and call it a fact because you hate the ending. If the ending had been something you liked, but the Citadel had been destroyed, you'd be arguing how it's totally going to stay up.

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Answering the question the topic... The people who actually liked the endings are pretty much divided into three categories.

1) There are people who really liked the endings. They are surely not "stupid", not "misinformed" and I actually resent anyone having a grudge against them for having a different opinion - what's likely is that they just care less about the lore and its consistency, or provide BioWare with a wider freedom of changing everything the games were about in the last 15 minutes. Which is good for them actually, less hours of sleep lost over these horrible endings. We all live by different values, some of us hate toast bread, I love it, some of us are vegetarians, I just can't wait for my juicy stake, we are conservatists, liberals, centrists or simply not giving a quack about politics - remember, our diversity will save us from the Reapers, variety of opinions = good.

2) Then we have the "alternative croud". Lots of people are shouting about the endings being horrible? Well then, I'd better like 'em and like 'em hard, I'd better make sweet, sweet love to them with the use of this here purple-colored space magic! I have a cousin who is exactly like that, so I've witnessed this mechanism first hand and it is pretty fascinating up close, actually. Need to do more research. More subjects required. Need not share data. Someone else could get it wrong.

3) And here's the final group... This will sound paranoid, but believe me - it doesn't have to be, remember that monstrous amounts of money can be lost here. There are companies in the world offering fast reaction to any PR crises via what's called in Polish "the whispering marketing" (direct translation - I have no idea how it's called in English). Create accounts or use dormant marketing accounts use only during a crisis, flood the internets with "counteropinions" and "opposite reactions", creating a sense that's "hey, it's not all bad, there are people who really love to hear that their wig company dumped a ton of orange paint into all the rivers around Chicago". During my work in advergaming a company I worked with was responsible for doing a similar PR stunt for a Polish political party and a... windows manufacturer (windows as in "stuff made of glass, wood and plastic that you use to look outside instead of going out when you're holding the line").

Of course, I don't say with any certainty that this is what's happening here - I'm just saying that when fat cash was at stake I've seen it happen, and it was always sudden and pretty effective. Do not get paranoid and don't get accusing good people of doing this kinda' thing - just be aware that stuff like this... happens.


I liked the endings, and care deeply about the lore and universe. I was heavily invested in my Shepard, in Garrus, in the whole galactic community, and I have no regrets about how it ended. I don't fit in any of those.


You're in a minority of a minority then - which should only mean that you deserve respect, but the basic three groups are still pretty much holding up.

I am sure, however, that upon closer inspection you'll find a lot wrong with the endings in regards of the lore - like synthetic DNA, the purpose of the Reapers contradicting what we know already (and their use of the Geth from the first game), the effect that blasting a mass relay has on a system (as seen in "Arrival") amongst many others. I simply cannot agree that the ending did not destroy the continuity of the lore, as they managed to create an astounding amount of errors both in those 15 minutes as in the last ME book.

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People have a right to like the endings, or hate the endings.

Whatever.

We all need to stop acting like goddam trolls because there are so many different opinions. Insulting each other, questioning each other's intelligence. God, this makes me almost want the Reapers to win, it's almost not worth saving humanity if this is how we treat each other.

Haha, everyone needs to get a grip.

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Lots of speculation for everyone! :wizard:

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DragonRageGT wrote...

The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/


Great POOL.

Yup, I always follow the herd.<_<

No, I think the endings do need work. But not because of the "majority" thinking so.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forward to 00:45.


THAT WAS A TRANSMISSION FROM HAMMER (or their observers).
ONLY HACKETT CAN GIVE THE ORDER FOR A FLEET RETREAT.


Has it occurred to you that Hackett gave the order and these officers are relaying that order?

That's how chain of command works.

I'm not responding to anything else you say, you deliberately misinterpret everything to suit yourself, good day.


Translation: I can't respond to you because I can't disprove you.


Again, ground troops are still on the ground fighting the Reapers. Not retreating.


Did you even watch the video? The troops at the end were the remaining troops covering the retreat.

Again, the fleet is still plainly fighting the Reapers as Shepard is talking to Starchild.


That's Shield fleet defending the Crucible.

This whole argument about someone giving a tactical retreat order is moot. That's why there's this observation that Joker is the only person running away. The game doesn't show anyone else running away.


Read above. There's no observation that EVERYONE is staying in the fight, either.

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Lightice_av wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, speculation is coming up with answers based on what we aren't told.

The implications of what's going to happen to the Citadel are clear.



Far from it. The Citadel can tear apart, start going around the orbit or do something completely unpredictable because it's full of Eezo! You make up as negative interpretation as you can and call it a fact because you hate the ending. If the ending had been something you liked, but the Citadel had been destroyed, you'd be arguing how it's totally going to stay up.


It suffered a gigantic explosion at it's core and did not disintegrate. The wards stayed intact and buckled.
You have no basis for saying it will tear apart into tiny bits.

Oh and guess what if it did? Those tiny bits? Still a combined mass of 7 billion tones. Still going to hit Earth.

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Don't bother with Saracen, he's made up his own ending the rest of us aren't privy to.

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Angry One: Completely agree with what you are saying about the Citadel. It's going to **** everyone up on the planet.

Another reason to pick Control. It's the only way to like the ending you get as I see it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 mars 2012 - 07:48 .


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The Angry One wrote...

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More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.:pinched:


More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absored Persephone is. Thanks. :pinched:

No seriously all you're doing now is trolling anyone who dislikes the ending no matter what they say.


Wow. Parroting. Entitled to what? I'm not screaming demands in CAPS.

NO MATTER? Did you even READ what I quoted?

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DragonRageGT wrote...

The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/


Humans are emotional creatures. You'll see the large number that don't like the ending because their Shep died. That there are alleged "plot holes" or "inconsistencies" is only rationalization to justify their hate. I will bet that this is the case for a good number if not most of the "retake" movement.

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The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.:pinched:


More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absored Persephone is. Thanks. :pinched:

No seriously all you're doing now is trolling anyone who dislikes the ending no matter what they say.


Well, she loves DA2 more than anything. More than TW2 which she actually loved too. More than DA:Origins. It is no surprise she loves ME3 endings... like I said... very few exceptions.

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DragonRageGT wrote...

The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/


The poll is a false chocie trilemma.  While I believe the endings to be unsatisfying, my lack of satisfaction is a consequence of the failure of the events of the endings to be supported by adequate foreshadowing and explanation and the absence of any meaningful epilogue regarding the outcome of the depicted events.  That the ending lacks an arbitrary luminence is irrelevant; I can accept that the mass relays were destroyed and that this destruction results in dire consequences for the assembled races, but I am unsatisfied with the lack of any meaningful examination of these consequences, preferably an examination that is affected by choices made by the player throughout the game.

Modifié par Dimensio, 19 mars 2012 - 07:49 .