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[Everwarden]

The Angry One wrote...

Don't bother with Saracen, he's made up his own ending the rest of us aren't privy to.

I bet it's better than the one I watched. I envy him. 

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absored Persephone is. Thanks.

No seriously all you're doing now is trolling anyone who dislikes the ending no matter what they say.

The same can be said for you and my arguments, Angry One.

[Almostfaceman]

saracen16 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forward to 00:45.

THAT WAS A TRANSMISSION FROM HAMMER (or their observers).
ONLY HACKETT CAN GIVE THE ORDER FOR A FLEET RETREAT.

Has it occurred to you that Hackett gave the order and these officers are relaying that order?

That's how chain of command works.

I'm not responding to anything else you say, you deliberately misinterpret everything to suit yourself, good day.

Translation: I can't respond to you because I can't disprove you.

Again, ground troops are still on the ground fighting the Reapers. Not retreating.

Did you even watch the video? The troops at the end were the remaining troops covering the retreat.

Again, the fleet is still plainly fighting the Reapers as Shepard is talking to Starchild.

That's Shield fleet defending the Crucible.

This whole argument about someone giving a tactical retreat order is moot. That's why there's this observation that Joker is the only person running away. The game doesn't show anyone else running away.

Read above. There's no observation that EVERYONE is staying in the fight, either.

Again, you see no fleet retreat. You see no ground retreat. You have no proof that there was a retreat, while I can point at troops on the ground and fleets in the sky, none of them moving to the relay and say that's proof that there is no retreat.

[Heather Cline]

Those that like the ending are those who think that those of us who hate it are wrong and are trying to bash us, name call us, and intimidate us into going away and being less vocal. We are still vocal and still pushing for a better ending.

[stwu]

Their entitled to their opinion. A part of me thinks that they just like rubbing it in our noses.
Hold the line.

Modifié par stwu, 19 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[CmdrStJean]

I too am uncertain how anyone could "like" the ending as it is. I could understand how some people could be indifferent to the outcome and simply be satisfied given the quality of the rest of the content, but actually liking how things end is, well difficult for me to comprehend.

I don't need to rehash what others have already said, but I would like to point out that as I've put more thought into this I've come to the conclusion that far from simply being illogical and disjointed, the ending is in fact ultimate defeat for all sentient life in the galaxy (except for the Yahg) no matter what path you choose.

Without the relays, all remaining life on Colonies dependent upon outside supply will perish. The "victory fleet" stranded at Sol will undoubtedly tear itself apart in a mad rush to secure what few resources remain in the area, whilst the process of rebuilding existing technological infrastructure will be difficult (if not impossible) in the absence of galaxy-wide cooperation. It's likely the Milky Way will enter a dark age devoid of interstellar communication or commerce. In many ways, it's as if the reapers had won.

This, perhaps more than anything else is galling me to no end. Even if we win, we lose in the long run. I just can't comprehend how Bioware could have thought this would be acceptable. I can't wrap my head around it, nothing about this sits right with me.

[Celilo]

I enjoyed the ending and found it thought-provoking not because you control the Reapers, synthesized all of the galaxy, or destroyed the Reapers. I enjoyed it and found it an interesting way to bring the series to a close because of its underlying message.

By now everyone has seen the image of an N7 soldier, wearing undeniably the same armor as your Shephard, lying on Earth after the crucible fires. Its implications about indoctrination (a theme introduced in the very first game and an underlying mechanic of the entire series) are subtle and almost painful.
Did we simply die, as all of the civilizations before us?
What of the concept of hope- does it simply color our world in a way that leaves us blind to the possibility that it is truly hopeless?
The Reapers were an unstoppable force for millions of years... where is the hope in that? For a civilization that was denied its technological advancements by a greedy Asari people, and stunted by the actions of a selfish Salarian government...to overcome a force at the last minute could seem incredibly unlikely.

In my opinion, Bioware did an excellent job of indoctrinating its players -- for those whose initial decisions were anything but to destroy.

PS I have played the series over the last 5 years, totaling easily 400 hours of gameplay. While I dislike the lack of information provided on the outcome of the galaxy, I fully enjoyed the message that the ending sent.

[Destr1er]

This just in : some people have different tastes, and like different things. More at 11!

Haven't finished the game yet, due to some funky shipping and UPS tomfoolery. But all the internet rage has me caused me to lower my expectations. Maybe I will be pleasantly surrised.
Or maybe I will be logging in later to rage as well.

[Kabraxal]

Persephone wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Those who like the endings haven't thought about it as much as those that have. Or, at the very least, don't care about the numerous plot holes the ending contains.

Those who do care.. hate the endings.


I've had private debates with multiple people who thought the endings were fine... only to reveal they had no idea about the numerous plot holes the game contained...

So, based on those, ignorance is behind why anyone liked those endings...

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.

Considering you are coming off just as bad... you have no room to talk.  

I am one that thinks the ending is okay, not great but okay.  It needs an epilogue at the very leat but a full reveal that it was indoctrination would better fit the overall lore of the universe.  There are inconsistincies in the endiing, you can't get around that.  Joker running, Anderson and Shepard making it to the beam despite Coats clearly having a line of sight and saying otherwise, Harbinger flying away conveniently, Shepard not even questioning the starchild, and the convient appearance out of nowhere of an entity that suddenly turns the destroy ending into the more unfavourable of the three choices while suddenly turning TIM's theory that  WE JUST REFUSED, into a "o... he was right" with no real explanation offered other than a convenient star kid says so...

The ending as is can be serviceable, but stop kidding yourselves that it doesn't have issues.

[Persephone]

DragonRageGT wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absorbed this "movement" is. Thanks.

More evidence to show how entitled, arrogant and self absored Persephone is. Thanks.

No seriously all you're doing now is trolling anyone who dislikes the ending no matter what they say.

Well, she loves DA2 more than anything. More than TW2 which she actually loved too. More than DA:Origins. It is no surprise she loves ME3 endings... like I said... very few exceptions.

Excuse me? I do NOT love DAII more than anthing. There are games I like a LOT more than DAII. More than anything though? No game on that list, sorry.

Keep your presumptions to yourself.

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

Don't bother with Saracen, he's made up his own ending the rest of us aren't privy to.

I don't call interpretation of an established ending "making up" one. I'm not going to dignify your personal attack with a response...

But I will dignify it with a report.

[magikbbg]

You realize that if you never played me2 or me1 you have no deep connection to the characters or story in game. When you just play me3 it's reasonable to think it's good from start to end and it make sense since almost everyone from me2 is dead. And the fill ins are uninteresting minor characters. I think the real minority is those who played me1 me2 and then loved me3 ending.

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

It suffered a gigantic explosion at it's core and did not disintegrate. The wards stayed intact and buckled.
You have no basis for saying it will tear apart into tiny bits.

With even the tiniest understanding of physics concerning massive forces in question, yes I can. It's a miracle that an object like the Citadel can stay intact at all anywhere but the most stable orbits. Different parts of the megastructure are falling at different speeds, depending on their shape, location and the amount of Eezo they contain. No force can hold them together in that situation. And then there's the Eezo to consider once more. The stuff that makes much of the structure to have negligible or negative mass. And the thing that thanks to Eezo there's no telling which direction it's even falling. Earth's gravity field isn't a major factor when you're dealing with technology that can create equal or greater gravity fields anywhere.

I repeat, you're picking the worst possible interpretation for no other reason than that you hate the ending, and actively wish death and destruction for everything involved with it.

[Dimensio]

saracen16 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forward to 00:45.

THAT WAS A TRANSMISSION FROM HAMMER (or their observers).
ONLY HACKETT CAN GIVE THE ORDER FOR A FLEET RETREAT.

Has it occurred to you that Hackett gave the order and these officers are relaying that order?

That's how chain of command works.

I'm not responding to anything else you say, you deliberately misinterpret everything to suit yourself, good day.

Translation: I can't respond to you because I can't disprove you.

Again, ground troops are still on the ground fighting the Reapers. Not retreating.

Did you even watch the video? The troops at the end were the remaining troops covering the retreat.

Again, the fleet is still plainly fighting the Reapers as Shepard is talking to Starchild.

That's Shield fleet defending the Crucible.

This whole argument about someone giving a tactical retreat order is moot. That's why there's this observation that Joker is the only person running away. The game doesn't show anyone else running away.

Read above. There's no observation that EVERYONE is staying in the fight, either.

If the fleets were actually in retreat, then this retreat needed to be established, rather than speculated based upon vague occurrences that may or may not have been indicative of a full retreat.

[aapblok]

lol Ending about destroying or synthesizing or whatever, I can turn a blind eye on. The execution of that last 10 minutes was poor - no real choices and no real discussion (I get Shepard was dying and probably didn't care about debating with the kid, but it's Shepard, soo). Your decisions from ME1 to ME3 also didn't translate. However, not having closure is another thing, and leaving us with mass questions is poor writing. "Speculation" is one thing, but being random in how you end the series is not good, especially when the series has been built on detail.

[Persephone]

Heather Cline wrote...

Those that like the ending are those who think that those of us who hate it are wrong and are trying to bash us, name call us, and intimidate us into going away and being less vocal. We are still vocal and still pushing for a better ending.

Well, I for one do not want you to go away or be less vocal. I think the endings need work too. But keep it classy, it'll heighten your chances at success.

[saracen16]

Dimensio wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

The poll is a false chocie trilemma.  While I believe the endings to be unsatisfying, my lack of satisfaction is a consequence of the failure of the events of the endings to be supported by adequate foreshadowing and explanation and the absence of any meaningful epilogue regarding the outcome of the depicted events.  That the ending lacks an arbitrary luminence is irrelevant; I can accept that the mass relays were destroyed and that this destruction results in dire consequences for the assembled races, but I am unsatisfied with the lack of any meaningful examination of these consequences, preferably an examination that is affected by choices made by the player throughout the game.

BioWare stated explicitly that this is up to the player to reflect on his or her own choices. That makes you more involved in the story, not less.

[The Angry One]

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Don't bother with Saracen, he's made up his own ending the rest of us aren't privy to.

I don't call interpretation of an established ending "making up" one. I'm not going to dignify your personal attack with a response...

But I will dignify it with a report.

Interesting how this person engages in the dishonest tactic of using his own made up version of an ending to justify the real one, then gets upsets and reports (really?) when he's called out on it.
Very interesting.

[streamlock]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

There are some that yes, played the game on action mode.  ME3 is their 1st foray into the series.  People who think "it's just a game" and can care less.  Folks who just would'nt care what happened as long as they got there junkie rush.  Its a combination of those things.

But there is an even smaller minority-the ones that feel the more whacked out, non-sensical, cliche', plot-hole filled-the better.  It's a small % of the whole, but as more and more people get to the ending, it becomes a significant # (2-5% of 3,000,000 is still a whole hell of alot of people).  And they will trickle on the forums over time.

For them, the fact that the most of the game was fairly grounded in itself, and only went haywire at the end was actually like some orgasmic sense of whack-out .  They usually have to go to specific directors/authors and know it's coming.  Would you really expect to watch an episode of 24 just to have alians invade at the 22nd hour then the angel Gabrial swoop down and save/doom the protoganist?  Nor would I, and they live for that kind of thing. 

They are not stupid, or ignorant. They just have a taste for the absurd.  And I in general have no problem with that (I'll check some of it out myself) But in this case I do. 

This kind of creative suicide happens every so often in a book, or movie, or even a TV series.  And more then a few one off games-for it to happen to an otherwise beloved game triligoy?  Yeah-there heads damn near exploded.  I wish they would stop rubbing their highly evolved sense of the absurd in my philistine sense of entertainment though.

[Vikali]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

 I don't want to over-generalize, but from my experience most people who like the endings don't appreciate Mass Effect for its story as much as some of us here do. This has its exceptions, but I'm talking in a broad generalization here. In the end, Bioware should listen to the fans who are more invested, as those who aren't invest aren't effected anyway.

I've logged over 500 hours in the games accumulative, ready every book, and every comic.

Am I not apprciative of the franchise?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

For fans (that want a story to make sense)... ignorance is the only answer.

[dfstone]

aapblok wrote...

lol Ending about destroying or synthesizing or whatever, I can turn a blind eye on. The execution of that last 10 minutes was poor - no real choices and no real discussion (I get Shepard was dying and probably didn't care about debating with the kid, but it's Shepard, soo). Your decisions from ME1 to ME3 also didn't translate. However, not having closure is another thing, and leaving us with mass questions is poor writing. "Speculation" is one thing, but being random in how you end the series is not good, especially when the series has been built on detail.

Thats the part that bothers me too.  You spent 3 games making galaxy changing decisions and porting those choices over from game to game.  And at the very end, where Shepherd makes the very last decision he'll ever make in the Mass Effect franchise, your past decisions mean absolutely nothing.  That really REALLY bothers me.  Its not the way it ended, its the way that ending was executed.

[saracen16]

Almostfaceman wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forward to 00:45.

Again, you see no fleet retreat. You see no ground retreat. You have no proof that there was a retreat, while I can point at troops on the ground and fleets in the sky, none of them moving to the relay and say that's proof that there is no retreat.

You didn't even address as to whether it was Sword, Shield, or a retreat cover that you're witnessing.