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[K_Tabris]

Troll reported. Hopefully this thread can stay strong, but i doesn't seem to be likely.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

Human-made mass effect fields require working generators to stay up. But we've been explicitly told that the Reapers are perpetual motion machines in the Codex. The same almost certainly applies to the Citadel that never gets fueled with anything.

You're kidding, right?
Perpetual motion or not, they still need to WORK.
Do you know what likes to make machines not work? Massive explosions.

The Reapers can be broken, the Citadel can be broken.

What exactly makes you assume that they don't stay on stable orbit or fling out of Earth's gravity well? Oh yeah, because you want everything involved in the ending to crash and burn in a fierly blaze of death. I'm tired of saying this, but I know that you would argue for exact opposite if the ending had been one you liked.

The Citadel is in low Earth orbit. Without mass effect fields, it's full mass will be applied and it will go down. That simple.

[smegmalongbeach]

Koobarex wrote...
I am sure, however, that upon closer inspection you'll find a lot wrong with the endings in regards of the lore - like synthetic DNA, the purpose of the Reapers contradicting what we know already (and their use of the Geth from the first game), the effect that blasting a mass relay has on a system (as seen in "Arrival") amongst many others. I simply cannot agree that the ending did not destroy the continuity of the lore, as they managed to create an astounding amount of errors both in those 15 minutes as in the last ME book.

actually if you look at it this way it is not breaking any lore

synthitic dna has never been established as impossible

the purpose of the reapers has allways stayed the same since sarin in ME1, to ascend advanced spiecies into reapers

the reapers using the geth is exceptable because they were re writting the geth to controll them. this would stop the synthetics from destroying all organics

as for the mass relay explosion to me it was pretty clear the energy was focused and displaced through the relays into the galaxy either creating a synth/organic hybrid, destroying the reapers or turnig controll over to sheppard in any case it can be explained that the energy was harnessed and not released into the systems so it did not desroy the sol sytem with a super nova

[Almostfaceman]

saracen16 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

The fact is, at best, there's evidence for a small tactical retreat from around the area of the beam. There is no evidence of a fleet-wide retreat. A fleet-wide retreat doesn't even make sense, since they weren't even sure yet if Shepard was going to be successful. They were quite obviously fighting the Reapers giving Shepard or whomever made it onto the Citadel time to get the Catalyst and Crucible going and working as a weapon. Shepard doesn't even get a chance to warn them that he's activating the weapon or making his choice or whatever, so there's no chance for the fleet to react to his decision. They're all embroiled in a life-or-death struggle.

It doesn't make sense to you. It makes sense to me: live to fight another die. We have different opinions on the matter and BioWare intended there to be argument about this.

Where, exactly were they going to retreat to? The Reapers were everywhere. It was quite plain that this was the final battle and they were either going to win or lose based on the Catalyst/Crucible plan. Unless you can show me Hackett ordering a retreat and the ships and men being moved to the relay, you really have no evidence of a fleet wide retreat, sorry. All evidence and motivations point to a "this is it" fight on Earth. The whole game plot drives to that point.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Yes, personal insults are reportable. (I have never reported anyone though)

Get over someone disagreeing with your "facts" already. Calling it "made up" isn't going to convince anyone.

It is not an insult. You are perfectly welcome to disagree with me and like the ending.
But do not make up your own ending. And yes, Saracen is doing just that. The retreat explanation for example deliberately misinterprets a ground order to somehow come up with the idea that the entire fleet got out of Sol before the mass relays exploded (nevermind the logistical horror of that).

Do you not deride those who present the indoctrination theory as fact? Same thing.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[Sibbwolf]

Taking the ending in isolation, for me, brings up two interesting points:

1 - I can replay the game and still enjoy the story.

2 - The ending, in isolation from the game (from the TIM encounter, anyway) is actually pretty good.

So:

The ending, no matter how good (or bad), does not fit, in my opinion. As I have said previously, the main reason for this is that it contradicts ME1/2, and in so doing introduces a nonsensical self-fulfilling prophecy (to which it should be pointed out, falls apart the moment the reapers are removed from the cycle).

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

You're kidding, right?
Perpetual motion or not, they still need to WORK.
Do you know what likes to make machines not work? Massive explosions.

The Reapers can be broken, the Citadel can be broken.

You're the one who claims that it stays intact. Remember the Derelict Reaper? The one that was in pieces, but still hung in the upper atmosphere of a high gravity gas planet because it's that damn tough? That's what happens to the Citadel if it stays as intact as you're trying to claim.

The Citadel is in low Earth orbit. Without mass effect fields, it's full mass will be applied and it will go down. That simple.

Without mass effect fields it breaks into tiny chunks and rains down over a long period of time; destruction is predictable, fall of the entire ecosystem or major population centers, extremely unlikely.

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

Let's put this retreat debate to rest.
Admiral Hackett is the fleet commander. Therefore only Admiral Hackett may issue a general fleet retreat. The end.

Is that your response to "Admiral Hackett orders down the chain of command, and the lower tier commanders give the orders to their subordinates?" You repeat the same argument?

You're trolling. Plain and simple.

[Tankred]

"People have a right to like the endings, or hate the endings.

Whatever.

We all need to stop acting like goddam trolls because there are so many different opinions. Insulting each other, questioning each other's intelligence. God, this makes me almost want the Reapers to win, it's almost not worth saving humanity if this is how we treat each other.

Haha, everyone needs to get a grip. "

Bioware made clear from the start that many people would not like the ending, and it was really clear that there would be no happy ending possible, considering how much damage was done even before you go to the final battle( Thessia for example). But the 3 endings all end up in mass destruction of galactic proportions, and considering the planetkill in arrival dlc, you probably kill half of Earth and most of anything in orbit, not to speak of nearly every planet in range of a mass relay everywhere.
The most sane solution to this would really be to lay down and die and let the reapers do their work, but even that was made impossible as the weird child states by docking crucible to the citadel.
The more you think about it, the more it ends up like warhammer 40k, the worst possible galaxy possible, where the ruinous powers will win in the end, no matter what anyone does.

[DESTRAUDO]

The only ending in which the energy field seems to destroy anything is the worst renegade ending. even the better renegade destroy endings have shep survive and he was at ground zero of one of these events.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Yes, personal insults are reportable. (I have never reported anyone though)

Get over someone disagreeing with your "facts" already. Calling it "made up" isn't going to convince anyone.

It is not an insult. You are perfectly welcome to disagree with me and like the ending.
But do not make up your own ending. And yes, Saracen is doing just that. The retreat explanation for example deliberately misinterprets a ground order to somehow come up with the idea that the entire fleet got out of Sol before the mass relays exploded (nevermind the logistical horror of that).

Do you not deride those who present the indoctrination theory as fact? Same thing.

No, I do not deride them. I think several theories that were presented contain valid interpretations. Neither you nor I know which is 100% true until Bioware finally spills which theory comes closest. No more, no less.

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Don't bother with Saracen, he's made up his own ending the rest of us aren't privy to.

I don't call interpretation of an established ending "making up" one. I'm not going to dignify your personal attack with a response...

But I will dignify it with a report.

Interesting how this person engages in the dishonest tactic of using his own made up version of an ending to justify the real one, then gets upsets and reports (really?) when he's called out on it.
Very interesting.

There's nothing more dishonest than you claiming that my interpretation is a "made-up" version of the ending without actually taking the ****ing time to read it.

Reported for trolling.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

You're the one who claims that it stays intact.

The wards are intact, not the Citadel's systems.

Remember the Derelict Reaper? The one that was in pieces, but still hung in the upper atmosphere of a high gravity gas planet because it's that damn tough? That's what happens to the Citadel if it stays as intact as you're trying to claim.

The derelict Reaper was damaged in a battle. The entire Citadel was overloaded by firing the Crucible pulse. The entire system was compromised.

Without mass effect fields it breaks into tiny chunks and rains down over a long period of time; destruction is predictable, fall of the entire ecosystem or major population centers, extremely unlikely.

Yeah except we don't see that. We see the wards stay intact and buckle.

[Elite Midget]

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

[savionen]

ITT: People who didn't like the ending so they rewrote their own ending, so now they like it.

[Shiran]

DragonRageGT wrote...

The only way to like the endings is if they are not real. At least for those who did play  since ME1. With very few exceptions. If there is some explanation for all the b/s in the last 10 minutes, then those 10 minutes could be brilliant. As it is now, it is just b/s.

Just check the Pool about the endings.  It is now 55.4k dislikes against 1.2k likes. That's gotta mean something.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

It means that self selecting pool of people who are upset will come in and vote en masse. Which they did. It means that vast majority of people who bought the game and paid for it do not read this forum, or that particular topic and / or don't care either way (people who actually responded to that polls is less than 5% of people who actually bought the game)

Also, popular doesn't not make right.

[Vikali]

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Because anyone of differing opinion is a hipster.

[The Angry One]

saracen16 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Let's put this retreat debate to rest.
Admiral Hackett is the fleet commander. Therefore only Admiral Hackett may issue a general fleet retreat. The end.

Is that your response to "Admiral Hackett orders down the chain of command, and the lower tier commanders give the orders to their subordinates?" You repeat the same argument?

You're trolling. Plain and simple.

Admiral Hackett maintains direct contact with the fleet, and Shepard.
Moreover any general retreat given by Hackett to subordinates would be prefaced with "Orders from Admiral Hackett" or "Orders from fleet command."

[earthonline]

 you can read here a list of all endings:
ME3 List of Endings

There are like 16 of them

so some find an ending they like

[Persephone]

greengoron89 wrote...

I hate to call someone out of the crowd, but...

...relax, Persephone - you're gonna give yourself an ulcer. I think you're getting more fiery over this than some of the anti-ending crowd are. Tensions are high, but getting that worked up over this mess doesn't do anyone any good.

That goes for all of you. I've been in support of the anti-ending crowd for the most part, but the level of butthurt on both sides is the highest I've seen it yet - it's getting pretty deep, far more than even I expected it to get.

Seriously, not gonna end will at this rate. Cool your jets, folks.

I understand.

And you do have a point. I'm simply sick and tired for having abuse fired at me for liking ONE of the three endings. I agree, they need work. But that's not ENOUGH, you MUST hate them, otherwise "you're not a true fan". That is what upsets me, to be honest.

[The Angry One]

saracen16 wrote...

There's nothing more dishonest than you claiming that my interpretation is a "made-up" version of the ending without actually taking the ****ing time to read it.

Reported for trolling.

I have read it all, and little of what you say actually happens. I believe you are in fact trolling here, and are now angered because I am not falling for it.

Do not abuse the report feature, or continually spam that you're using it. That is against the rules itself, you know. Good day.

[Shaigunjoe]

The Angry One wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Human-made mass effect fields require working generators to stay up. But we've been explicitly told that the Reapers are perpetual motion machines in the Codex. The same almost certainly applies to the Citadel that never gets fueled with anything.

You're kidding, right?
Perpetual motion or not, they still need to WORK.
Do you know what likes to make machines not work? Massive explosions.

The Reapers can be broken, the Citadel can be broken.

What exactly makes you assume that they don't stay on stable orbit or fling out of Earth's gravity well? Oh yeah, because you want everything involved in the ending to crash and burn in a fierly blaze of death. I'm tired of saying this, but I know that you would argue for exact opposite if the ending had been one you liked.

The Citadel is in low Earth orbit. Without mass effect fields, it's full mass will be applied and it will go down. That simple.

You are assuming the inertial velocity of the citadel upon mass effect field failure is zero, this is impossible as it keeps the citadel beam fixed at a point in london.  To understand the behavior you will have to take its intial position and velocity (this will be in LEO with a position and velocity that would track approx London's latitude and longitude) and then just do a two body propogation.  Somebody do it, kinda curious as to what it would look like as that is not a natural LEO orbit. Are we certain it is in LEO?

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

The derelict Reaper was damaged in a battle. The entire Citadel was overloaded by firing the Crucible pulse. The entire system was compromised.

So you keep saying because you want it to crash and burn. But your hateful opinion doesn't make it a fact.

Yeah except we don't see that. We see the wards stay intact and buckle.

I know how large-mass objects behave in stressful situations. Even the grandest objects break like glass. So either the mass effect fields are still on, in which case the ruined Citadel stays intact and on orbit, or they break down, in which case the Citadel either comes down in tiny meteors, or stays up as a ring on Earth's orbit.

[SilverBecker]

(Directed at OP) For EA/Bioware the average consumer IS the new target market. Notice the marketing campaigns that focused on the shooter side of the game more than anything else.

With an average consumer that is not a hardcore fan/gamer like the most of us you can make an ending that blows and they will eat it right up and enjoy the hell out of it even if it is fatally flawed.

It's like taking someone who eats fast food everyday to a city that is a culinary mecca and giving them mediocre food from a restaurant in the aforementioned town.

The food is Ok for the foodie city, maybe even sub-par. But for the Big Mac guy it is THE BEST FOOD EVER. Get the correlation?