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[Elite Midget]

KitePolaris wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Evidence for this insult, please.

Not an insult,. I'm saying it as it is. Those that "Liked"  the ending as they say have made it their mission to post in random topics denounceing those that hated it than going "in my opinion this game is still perfect" or  "you all just don't understand the ending".

Their intent was meant to insult and belittle the intelligence of the majority on this board. It is worse on other parts of the net where the hipsters can say as they desire without fear of reprecussion.

You can say that for both people on the fence. The OMG ENDINGS SUCK people go into every thread and try to derail it so they can moan about what's bothering them. And a lot of the time in topics unrelated to the endings.

It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time.

I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".

An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

[smegmalongbeach]

NetherWitch wrote...

The ending is as original as the stock photos they used. It's not like - 10 plot holes but the ending was original and deep...instead I've seen parodies with less cliche endings.

I am not surprised. No one reads anymore so the ending was original and deep... *facepalm
Sadly COD endings are more original in perspective.

pretty sure you did not understand what was going on at the end because it was original and threw in a twist on a sci-fi theory that had not been explored before

i can elaborate if you want but you dont seem willing to have a conversation so i will leave it up to you if you can be civil

[Ryokun1989]

Personally I think this debate about whether the Citadel would crash to earth or not is overanalyzing things a bit.
I'm pretty sure that if they intended that to happen, or the earth to be destroyed by any other means, they would have shown it (like they do if you have too few assets).

Plothole? Maybe. Relevant? No.

[Cobra5]

I have been a fan since the beginning, and I liked the ending. Your condescending attitude and reliance on ad hominem does nothing to help your case against people calling you self-entitled.

I've already made more then a few posts around here as to why I like it. but after a while it got pointless, quick. I'm considering doing a large post about it... just need the motivation. Given the quality of the discussion on this forum- or lack thereof- it really seems kind of pointless: If you like the ending you are a troll, and a hipster, and a COD gamer, before you even open your mouth. Why ask someone to defend themself? Why seek an opinion you don't actually want to hear?

The truth is you aren't looking for a discussion, or a counterpoint, or an opinion. You just want a punching bag and a strawman to beat up.

Edit:

Elite Midget wrote...
It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time. 
I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".
An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

My case in point.

Modifié par Cobra5, 19 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Persephone]

Tyrzun wrote...

Persephone wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I hate to call someone out of the crowd, but...

...relax, Persephone - you're gonna give yourself an ulcer. I think you're getting more fiery over this than some of the anti-ending crowd are. Tensions are high, but getting that worked up over this mess doesn't do anyone any good.

That goes for all of you. I've been in support of the anti-ending crowd for the most part, but the level of butthurt on both sides is the highest I've seen it yet - it's getting pretty deep, far more than even I expected it to get.

Seriously, not gonna end will at this rate. Cool your jets, folks.

I understand.

And you do have a point. I'm simply sick and tired for having abuse fired at me for liking ONE of the three endings. I agree, they need work. But that's not ENOUGH, you MUST hate them, otherwise "you're not a true fan". That is what upsets me, to be honest.

No you are just another person jumping into a discussion you know nothing about.

Both producers promised ME 3 would not have 3 generic endings.  Chris in fact stated there would not be A, B, and C endings.  They both said all of your choices would change the endings into specific personal endings.

You have no grounds for liking being lied to, it is an opinion that cannot be defended.  It has nothing to do if you like the 3 choices, the problem is there are ONLY 3 choices and they are exactly the same.  The NEW players get the same endings as the people that invested time and money into ME 1 and ME 2.  Those long time fans were promised ME 3 would also tie up all loose ends.  Others have took the time to put all of those interviews on these forums with links.

However, since you OBVIOUSLY didn't follow the development of ME 3 you would have known these things already.

You're opinion of the endings is irrelevant.  The fans were lied to.  You just weren't informed enough about what it was supposed to be to know that.  Like all other people that "like" the 3 endings.  However, I don't care.  All polls have you WAY WAY outnumbered because most ME fans are educated on what the serious was supposed to be and what was promised.  

Give me a break.

And you were expecting...what? Hundreds of endings? Really? I agree, it wasn't handled well. But geez!

No, they are not.

I was there. I also know how marketing works. I still think the endings require work/expanding.

I read those interviews. I simply don't care about that.

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

[The Angry One]

Lightice_av wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Irrelevant. You have no basis for assuming that they'll break into tiny pieces before they drop and hit the Earth. It's already in low Earth orbit, and we SEE the wards move. We SEE them buckle. They ARE being affected by gravity and not immediately disintegrating.

Which makes it quite clear that the mass effect fields are still functional. An object the side of the Citadel could not stay intact like that in Earth's gravity well. It would shatter almost instantly. Low enough it could make the damage you speak of in the process. But there's absolutely no evidence it is that low - considering the scale, I'd say it's close to the Lagrange point between Earth and Moon (which is much closer to Earth than Moon, just in case you bring that up), actually. And the fact that it's not instantly in pieces speaks for the probability that the mass effect fields still work just fine.

There's nothing obvious about what's going to happen to the Citadel, but it has many options besides crashing and burning, and since it's perfectly obvious that the Mass Effect franchise will live on, so does Earth. Hence, it's obvious that just about any other option besides the Citadel's fall is going to happen, and there are many.

On the one hand you say Reapers are impossible magitech, on the other you say that what they built will instantly shatter once the mass effect fields are down. You're applying your own skewed reasoning to get around the point that what were shown is an intact but compromised Citadel that's likely on it's way down.
And if it's not, then why are the arms moving?

[savionen]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Personally I think this debate about whether the Citadel would crash to earth or not is overanalyzing things a bit.
I'm pretty sure that if they intended that to happen, or the earth to be destroyed by any other means, they would have shown it (like they do if you have too few assets).

Plothole? Maybe. Relevant? No.

Im sure they left it more to speculation. I wouldn't really say that they'd show it, I mean, they don't show what supposedly happens for 2/3s of the ending, hence all of these threads and discussions.

[Tyrzun]

saracen16 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Evidence for this insult, please.

Not an insult,. I'm saying it as it is. Those that "Liked"  the ending as they say have made it their mission to post in random topics denounceing those that hated it than going "in my opinion this game is still perfect" or  "you all just don't understand the ending".

Where have we done the latter? Saying the former is not demeaning or denouncing anyone: it's just the poster stating his or her opinion.

Their intent was meant to insult and belittle the intelligence of the majority on this board. It is worse on other parts of the net where the hipsters can say as they desire without fear of reprecussion.

If that's your view, you are certainly welcome to it, but don't think for one second that we don't feel the same way about those who arrogantly shove off our arguments as nothing but "pretentious drivel".

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

[Ryokun1989]

Elite Midget wrote...
It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time.

I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".

An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

If we're going to play like that I can quote a number of people from this thread alone and use that to portray everyone who dislikes the ending as complete morons? Would that be fair?

[Vikali]

Elite Midget wrote...

It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time.

I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".

An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

Are you kidding? People who liked it are more spiteful? The "true fan" term came from people against the endings. The word "stupid" is used more in the rage posts of people who dislike the endings. There are more labels (idiot, ignorant, shill, hiptser) being thrown out by the anti-ending crew. I don't know how that doesnt = spiteful.

[The Angry One]

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

[tsd16]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

I wouldnt say I "liked" the endings.  But I am not nearly as outraged as many seemed to be.  Bioware went a direction I personally dont like, but thats the way they ended it, they have their reasons.  I think maybe from a creator to consumer perspective they see something in that ending and options we dont.

Would I have liked the endings to be more in depth? maybe a little brighter? Absolutely.  I mean after the game ended I felt like my dog died or something.  Mind you I would have felt like that anyway knowing the story and characters are over no matter how great the ending was.

the only thing I would like to pose to players (even myself) who are dissappointed with the lack of explanation as to what becomes of everything is this.  Say they gave us multiple amazing endings that basically leave no stone unturned in explaning the current events after the Mass relays are destroyed.  One of those endings would in general have to be the "canon" ending for any future games taking place within the Mass Effect universe.  I get the distinct feeling they simply did not want to commit at this time and maybe that will actually be the basis for a future title.   I could be way off base.  

SO basically here is my opinion:  If this is the last we ever hear from the Mass Effect Universe, yes this is a terrible terrible terrible ending with absolutely no closure.   If there are plans in the works for future titles that take place after the events of mass effect 3 (even long after is fine with me) where the aftermath and subsequent life of the characters are explained and easter egged throughout the adventure I think that would immidiately change peoples perspective on Mass Effect 3's ending.

I loved this series I am so invested into the universe, It is honestly my favorite space sci-fi epic out of movies, tv and games combined.  So believe me I am a die hard fan of this series and I am going to give bioware the benefit of the doubt, and hope that bioware delivers final closure to the trilogy in some medium and I would personally love if it was done in a future title.

[Ryokun1989]

savionen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Personally I think this debate about whether the Citadel would crash to earth or not is overanalyzing things a bit.
I'm pretty sure that if they intended that to happen, or the earth to be destroyed by any other means, they would have shown it (like they do if you have too few assets).

Plothole? Maybe. Relevant? No.

Im sure they left it more to speculation. I wouldn't really say that they'd show it, I mean, they don't show what supposedly happens for 2/3s of the ending, hence all of these threads and discussions.

The difference is that they DO show you what happens on Earth. The reapers get destroyed or leave and possibly the earth gets destroyed by the Crucible (if you don't have enough assets).
It'd be weird if then after showing you Earth is all right, it gets destroyed off screen.

[Persephone]

greengoron89 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I understand.

And you do have a point. I'm simply sick and tired for having abuse fired at me for liking ONE of the three endings. I agree, they need work. But that's not ENOUGH, you MUST hate them, otherwise "you're not a true fan". That is what upsets me, to be honest.

I agree, and I think the "true fan" argument is born out of rage more than anything else - not sure how many people would still be touting that line if tempers cooled down some (well, maybe trolls still would - but they don't count).

I've been raging myself quite a bit in my own way, but I don't really hold anything against people who like the ending (though I have squared off with a few "white knights" and addressed a few flawed arguments).

It would be nice if a calm, rational discussion could take place without all the vitriol - I'd be interested in participating in a discussion like that, as there is quite a bit to discuss - and it might help ease peoples' minds a bit (including my own).

True. *Bites tongue* I am sorry for being on the edgy side today. RL hassles and stuff. I'll try to reign it in more because I DO want these discussions to happen too and me being angry doesn't help. I just wish more of the RME people had your attitude.:happy:

[Ryokun1989]

Cobra5 wrote...

I have been a fan since the beginning, and I liked the ending. Your condescending attitude and reliance on ad hominem does nothing to help your case against people calling you self-entitled.

I've already made more then a few posts around here as to why I like it. but after a while it got pointless, quick. I'm considering doing a large post about it... just need the motivation. Given the quality of the discussion on this forum- or lack thereof- it really seems kind of pointless: If you like the ending you are a troll, and a hipster, and a COD gamer, before you even open your mouth. Why ask someone to defend themself? Why seek an opinion you don't actually want to hear?

The truth is you aren't looking for a discussion, or a counterpoint, or an opinion. You just want a punching bag and a strawman to beat up.

I'd like to read your thoughts, Cobra5!

I've written down mine in the link in my signature.

[smegmalongbeach]

Tyrzun wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Evidence for this insult, please.

Not an insult,. I'm saying it as it is. Those that "Liked"  the ending as they say have made it their mission to post in random topics denounceing those that hated it than going "in my opinion this game is still perfect" or  "you all just don't understand the ending".

Where have we done the latter? Saying the former is not demeaning or denouncing anyone: it's just the poster stating his or her opinion.

Their intent was meant to insult and belittle the intelligence of the majority on this board. It is worse on other parts of the net where the hipsters can say as they desire without fear of reprecussion.

If that's your view, you are certainly welcome to it, but don't think for one second that we don't feel the same way about those who arrogantly shove off our arguments as nothing but "pretentious drivel".

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

his name is casey

[Almostfaceman]

Tyrzun wrote...

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

This is the truth and a major part of the problem.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

I am happy with endings that suit me, don't care about majorities or minorities. My definition of "Meh" isn't yours. We will never agree. 

My favorite ending to a game? Gabriel Knight II. 

[CHALET]

Because Benny Parcade said the endings were fine, so they now agree with it because lol funeh c0mic.

[saracen16]

Tyrzun wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Evidence for this insult, please.

Not an insult,. I'm saying it as it is. Those that "Liked"  the ending as they say have made it their mission to post in random topics denounceing those that hated it than going "in my opinion this game is still perfect" or  "you all just don't understand the ending".

Where have we done the latter? Saying the former is not demeaning or denouncing anyone: it's just the poster stating his or her opinion.

Their intent was meant to insult and belittle the intelligence of the majority on this board. It is worse on other parts of the net where the hipsters can say as they desire without fear of reprecussion.

If that's your view, you are certainly welcome to it, but don't think for one second that we don't feel the same way about those who arrogantly shove off our arguments as nothing but "pretentious drivel".

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

Pre-release marketing ploys disguised as promises don't matter. But this does.

And for you to open the first salvo with a blatant insult... That's low. You haven't even read my previous posts in this thread to make a conclusion about me.

Modifié par saracen16, 19 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Gallron395]

More than anything else, I think the wave of people who like the ending and the attacks on the "entitled" gamers who want a ending change are just EA/Bioware distractions trying to stop the complaints that are having a noticeable impact.

Modifié par Gallron395, 19 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Shiran]

Tyrzun wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

They're just hipsters trying to get attention and a rise out of those that hate the ending.

Ignore them, they aren't genuine in their intent.

Evidence for this insult, please.

Not an insult,. I'm saying it as it is. Those that "Liked"  the ending as they say have made it their mission to post in random topics denounceing those that hated it than going "in my opinion this game is still perfect" or  "you all just don't understand the ending".

Where have we done the latter? Saying the former is not demeaning or denouncing anyone: it's just the poster stating his or her opinion.

Their intent was meant to insult and belittle the intelligence of the majority on this board. It is worse on other parts of the net where the hipsters can say as they desire without fear of reprecussion.

If that's your view, you are certainly welcome to it, but don't think for one second that we don't feel the same way about those who arrogantly shove off our arguments as nothing but "pretentious drivel".

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

The ending are incredibly personal and customised to Spepards actions throught out ME1 and 2 and 3 though? Example, if you exiled Tali'Zorag vas Normandy, and rewrote heretics, you will not be able to brocker peace between Geth and Quarians. If you had Sergeant Ashley Williams execute Wrex Urdnot on Virmire, Krogans are extremely unlikely to become responsible members of Galactic community, so it is possible to have Mordin not attempt cure them ultimately saving his Life. Etc etc, doesn't of permutations all defined solely by your Choices as Shepard.

[Ryokun1989]

Tyrzun wrote...
You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

I'm not arguing against that. You're perfectly in your right to be upset about that, and those quotes were either 'spoken too soon' by Casey, or possibly misunderstood by the magazine he told them to. 

But that doesn't make the ending *bad*. Just different from what you expected/were promised.

Won't be the first time that hapens.

[Persephone]

CHALET wrote...

Because Benny Parcade said the endings were fine, so they now agree with it because lol funeh c0mic.

How "funeh" that your movement called them awesome as long as they agreed with you. They are already turning on Forbes for not saying that the ME Twitter, Casey's message on the endings could neva eva be sincere.

[Shiran]

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.