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[saracen16]

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.

God, I was a bit pissed that Rorschach died, but his legacy lived on in writing. Still, the movie was great.

[Shaigunjoe]

Cobra5 wrote...

I have been a fan since the beginning, and I liked the ending. Your condescending attitude and reliance on ad hominem does nothing to help your case against people calling you self-entitled.

I've already made more then a few posts around here as to why I like it. but after a while it got pointless, quick. I'm considering doing a large post about it... just need the motivation. Given the quality of the discussion on this forum- or lack thereof- it really seems kind of pointless: If you like the ending you are a troll, and a hipster, and a COD gamer, before you even open your mouth. Why ask someone to defend themself? Why seek an opinion you don't actually want to hear?

The truth is you aren't looking for a discussion, or a counterpoint, or an opinion. You just want a punching bag and a strawman to beat up.

Edit:

Elite Midget wrote...
It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time. 
I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".
An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

My case in point.

Please share Cobra, don't let people discourage you from your viewpoint, we need more interesting discussion on the endings.  Though I understand your feelings,  it is sad to think I used to like the phrase 'Hold the Line'.

[The Angry One]

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.

That question doesn't apply to me, as I think the ME3 ending is appalling.
I was merely curious as to whether, if you do consider the ending neither good or bad, that is really a good thing for the end of a saga 5 years in the making.

[Shaigunjoe]

saracen16 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.

God, I was a bit pissed that Rorschach died, but his legacy lived on in writing. Still, the movie was great.

Heck yea Watchmen was great.  "No Compromises!" It seemd Rorshach was the most pure of all, the most intent on not allowing bad things to happen, and he no longer had a place in that grey world.

[smegmalongbeach]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

This is the truth and a major part of the problem.

like obi-wan said its a matter of perspective

did my game have three choices to choose? yes, did everyones ending? nope was this a cliche gaming ending? no

were the outcomes the same in everyones destroy choice? no.

did your play through determine that outcome? yes

did my playthrough of me1 and me2 change my me3 playthrough? yes

was sheppards story concluded? yes

are there still questions? yes

were all the major plot lines finished? yes

were there any other "lies" casey told.

granted they are not the most accurate answers and were kind of misleading but he did not lie there is a diffrence

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Valhart wrote...

Can't I just like an ending to like it? I don't really need to explain myself do I? I'm not asking people to explain why they don't like the ending, mostly because I understand why they don't like it, but I myself liked the ending.

It's not the ending I was looking for that's for sure, I do have my own problems with it, namely the jump from the Citadel being a bastion of defense to suddenly in Reaper control, but I still liked the ending overall.

What I'm saying is liking art is a matter of perspective.

What we were told for the past year during the marketing ramp up for the game and how the series and Shepard's story WOULD END were a pack of lies.

We were led to believe it was going to be an epic ending where we were going to somehow finally kick the reapers in the daddybags and the united galaxy would emerge triumphant with Shepard either alive, wounded, or dead, and the casualties along the way dependent upon the choices you made during the entire journey. That would have been epic. The reapers had never faced a united galaxy before. This had the Seven Samurai written all over it.

But we had the Seven Samurai, and then just as the entire series was about to tie everything together we get .... entirely new stuff that contradicts the lore of the first two installments and everything we've learned thusfar.

So what we, the consumer got was unfulfilled expectations. Bioware overpromised and underdelivered. That's a cardinal sin in marketing. We were told the multi-player was going to be totally separate from the single player game, but they are completely intertwined for the purpose of selling extra veteran and spectre packs for Microsoft Points on the 360 to unlock weapons in the Single Player game, or to get stuff for the multiplayer so you can level up faster and convert things to military readiness from the multiplayer. So that was a lie.

It is this stuff that makes us, the loyal consumer, angry about the product we bought because we invested a lot of time into the previous products, and trusted their marketing hype. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

[saracen16]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Cobra5 wrote...

I have been a fan since the beginning, and I liked the ending. Your condescending attitude and reliance on ad hominem does nothing to help your case against people calling you self-entitled.

I've already made more then a few posts around here as to why I like it. but after a while it got pointless, quick. I'm considering doing a large post about it... just need the motivation. Given the quality of the discussion on this forum- or lack thereof- it really seems kind of pointless: If you like the ending you are a troll, and a hipster, and a COD gamer, before you even open your mouth. Why ask someone to defend themself? Why seek an opinion you don't actually want to hear?

The truth is you aren't looking for a discussion, or a counterpoint, or an opinion. You just want a punching bag and a strawman to beat up.

Edit:

Elite Midget wrote...
It happens on both sides but the hipsters that supposedly "Liked"  the ending are much more spiteful in their responses on the net. Though it has mostly been contained on ign comments, with less trying to be hip here.  I'm sure some did like the endings but many that have attempted to troll are claerly just blowing off free time. 
I still remember that hypocrite that said "The ending was horrible, but the game is easily 10/10 and perfect" and when confronted "It's my opinion, the game was perfect even if the ending was bad and ruined the series for the rest of you".
An opinion that contradicted itself in the same sentence, it's clear the intent of it.

My case in point.

Please share Cobra, don't let people discourage you from your viewpoint, we need more interesting discussion on the endings.  Though I understand your feelings,  it is sad to think I used to like the phrase 'Hold the Line'.

I want to hear it, too, Cobra. The quality of discussion about the ending has deteriorated thanks to those who are polluting the forums with baiting and trolling.

[Lightice_av]

The Angry One wrote...

On the one hand you say Reapers are impossible magitech, on the other you say that what they built will instantly shatter once the mass effect fields are down. You're applying your own skewed reasoning to get around the point that what were shown is an intact but compromised Citadel that's likely on it's way down.
And if it's not, then why are the arms moving?

It will shatter because all matter will shatter in such conditions, no matter how tough. Only the physics-breaking mass effect fields can prevent such an effect. The Citadel won't fall for the simple fact that Earth has plot armour, and I'm explaining why it doesn't have to from the physics standpoint.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.

That question doesn't apply to me, as I think the ME3 ending is appalling.
I was merely curious as to whether, if you do consider the ending neither good or bad, that is really a good thing for the end of a saga 5 years in the making.

There are parts I love about the Control ending. Yet, I still feel that the overall presentation/execution feels rushed/lacking. I would welcome a patc/DLC offering more endings (Just now fluff & kitsch) or the ones we have expanded via cutscenes, dialogue reflecting the whole series.

[Egonne]

Whether you like the endings or not really boils down to your ability to IGNORE the endings.

The star child was weird, but certainly not unforeseeable. I felt like the Matrix went the same direction (gritty realism to something like New Age spiritualistic 'pantheism'). Possibly a bit disappointing and maybe a little Deus Ex (although the latter is arguable based on the fact that the 'star child' IS the cycle and the cycle was mentioned throughout the series).

The lack of choices certainly was disappointing, but could be a nihilistic philosophical statement on how our little choices may make a difference in the LITTLE things but by themselves are too small to change the outcome in the grand scheme of things. Sort of an anti-'butterfly effect' message. Here although I certainly DO understand the outrage of others because the developers kept pushing the '16 endings' thing. A bit of a 'white lie' on their part.

The unhappy endings were certainly foreseeable. Almost necessary when fighting antagonists such as the Reapers. I can see why people don't like it, and I personally would liked to have seen a happy ending, but an unhappy ending is CERTAINLY well within the realm of reason.

The problem is the gaping wounds in the plot. All stories take a certain 'suspension of disbelief' but the ending stretches credulity to its breaking point. Everything involving the Normandy simply has to be ignored; for it can't even be explained away, let alone reasonably explained. This is the key problem with the ending. It is nonsense, not an ending.

There isn't any philosophical depth to find in teleporting squad mates, Normandy in the slip stream, and Shepard under a pile of rubble (if the ending is to be taken at face value, meaning no indoctrination theory).

For any in depth analysis of the ending to occur, one must start with the agreement to IGNORE half the ending. For with those plot holes there, the story unravels and logical coherence break apart. Making analysis impossible.

I do understand where 'The ending has depth and I like it' crowd is coming from. Their argument is not totally without merit. But ignoring half the ending in order to deeply understand the rest of it seems a bit foolish. I'm certainly glad someone can though, for it is the only way one can 'understand' the ending in any meaningful way.

Modifié par Egonne, 19 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Persephone]

greengoron89 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

True. *Bites tongue* I am sorry for being on the edgy side today. RL hassles and stuff. I'll try to reign it in more because I DO want these discussions to happen too and me being angry doesn't help. I just wish more of the RME people had your attitude.:happy:

That's fine. I've got RL problems affecting me as well - as do others here, I'm sure.

To be fair, though, I'm not actually part of the Retake Mass Effect movement. I have other problems with the game outside of the ending, and I've chosen to express my discontent by simply not purchasing any ME3-related products or DLC at all - including any proposed "fixed" ending. It probably puts me in an actual minority, as most seem to either support the endings as they are, or want them changed.

I sort of wish the "Hold the Line" folks would do the same, but I won't try to wrestle them into doing as I do - nor will I try to wrestle anyone else into it.

Point taken. That's both fair and level-headed. I applaud you. :happy:

[Tyrzun]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...
You are not informed enough to make an argument, but you keep on trying to insult those that don't like the 3.  When you still don't understand the real issue.  So, I'll explain it to you again.

Chris and Mike the producers.  Promised there would NOT BE A, B, C generic endings and there are.  They promised the choices from ME 1 and ME 2 would effect the ending we get.  A very personalized endings.  They also said there would be no loop holes.  They said to do generic endings would be totally wrong and against what ME stands for and has been.

Theese boards have multiple threads where people went through the trouble to post all the articles where these direct quotes from the producers came from.  They flat out lied to the long time fans.

It's a fact.  You have no grounds.  

Anyone liking the 3 or not, has nothing to do with them not being the endings were were promised.  It's funny that there are 3 when Chris specifically said there wouldn't be 3, but many more different endings that tie up all loose ends.  The ending was EXACTLY what they said it wouldn't be.

I'm not arguing against that. You're perfectly in your right to be upset about that, and those quotes were either 'spoken too soon' by Casey, or possibly misunderstood by the magazine he told them to. 

But that doesn't make the ending *bad*. Just different from what you expected/were promised.

Won't be the first time that hapens.

Well, most of the angry people are actually mad about what I was explaining.  They just sum it up as saying they hate the ending.  I understand the confusion.

I wouldn't mind "loosing" as Shep does.  Option Blue and Green are just 2 different giving in to indoctrination.  Red is you breaking free of it which is why you wake up.  I get that.  it's clear.  IF that happened in the game and then everything else was resloved after that, the things we were promised I'd be fine. 

As a side note most of the people that like the endings don't get them, even the ones that think they do.  Most everyone starves and the war breaks out like Mad Max style over the minimal supplies left.  Star flight is over, no supplies.  AND most importantly reaper parts are on all major planets.  Reaper parts indoctrinate people.  It's what happened to the Illusive Man and is explained in ME multiple times.  Being around a dead reaper still indoctrinates you.  So, everyone on the major planets under attack gets indoctrinated.  Earth is dead.  The debrie of the giant ships comes crashing to earth.  One 100 yard long meteor pretty much destroys half of the earth and pusts ash into the sky, so all plant growth stops.  MANY MANY MANY large pieces will fall into the earth from the battle.  Nothing you did saved Earth.

The explosions from the mass relays are destructive.  Which is why Joker is out running the explosions as they DAMAGE the ship.  Thes same blast takes out each solar system a mass effect relay is in.  So all electronics were destroyed as the explosions were obviously damaging the Normandy.  Remember again how large the explosions were, they covered the entire SYSTEM the mass effect relay is in. NO ship got away from that explosion, even if they made it through a relay.

ME 3 has a new writer and she's obviously not educated on anything scientific at all.  These endings are garbage and so full of plot holes it's ridiculous.  That's besides the fact they aren't what we were promised.

[Shiran]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Shiran wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Me? Who has "me" outnumbered? I fall into neither category. I neither love nor hate the endings.

So be honest. Are you happy with "meh" endings?

Are you happy with ending of Watchmen? Blade Runner Director's Cut? etc such "meh" ending one and all.

God, I was a bit pissed that Rorschach died, but his legacy lived on in writing. Still, the movie was great.

Heck yea Watchmen was great.  "No Compromises!" It seemd Rorshach was the most pure of all, the most intent on not allowing bad things to happen, and he no longer had a place in that grey world.

Nah, nobody could've possibly liked it, there are so many plot holes! Like, you know Moscow is actually capital of Soviet Nnion, so if it was destroyed, Nixon coud've never negotiated peace! And there is not enough closure! The Karnak has a gaping hole in it after Dr. N punches it, and Archie is all busted up so they are STANDED there in Antarctica!! And there is not enough GENES between 3 of them to repopulate the EARTH!!!

[CPTHughJardon]

greengoron89 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

True. *Bites tongue* I am sorry for being on the edgy side today. RL hassles and stuff. I'll try to reign it in more because I DO want these discussions to happen too and me being angry doesn't help. I just wish more of the RME people had your attitude.:happy:

That's fine. I've got RL problems affecting me as well - as do others here, I'm sure.

To be fair, though, I'm not actually part of the Retake Mass Effect movement. I have other problems with the game outside of the ending, and I've chosen to express my discontent by simply not purchasing any ME3-related products or DLC at all - including any proposed "fixed" ending. It probably puts me in an actual minority, as most seem to either support the endings as they are, or want them changed.

I sort of wish the "Hold the Line" folks would do the same, but I won't try to wrestle them into doing as I do - nor will I try to wrestle anyone else into it.

this was spot on

[Leanansidhe]

I had Mass Effect pre-ordered for a year before it came out.  I bought a 360 just to play that game.  I've played it through about 25 times.

I had Mass Effect 2 pre-ordered the day it became available to do so.  I've played through that game 35 times.

I had Mass Effect 3 pre-ordered the day it became available, as well.  All three are collector's editions.  I am now on my third play through of Mass Effect 3.  I finished my second play through last night, and immediately turned around and starting playing my third.  I chose the "green" ending both times.

My first playthrough I was sad, not because of the ending, but because it was the end.  Last night, I paid more attention, and I can honestly say that I was blown away with how beautiful I thought the ending was.

I sacrificed myself to stop the cycle of galactic extinction, and bring peace throughout the galaxy.  What's not wonderful about that?

So, all of you that seem to think that the people who like the endings are somehow not as invested as you are, or just started the series so don't "know" that they're not supposed to like the endings?  Get over yourselves.

Between what happened with Jennifer over on the DA team, and what's happening now with this game, you people have successfully turned all BioWare fans into laughingstocks.  Good job.

And like Penny Arcade says, you're basically demanding that BioWare do to Mass Effect 3 what George Lucas did to Star Wars...and you hate him for it.

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-masses-are-effected
Go to 2 minutes, 40 seconds.

If they do bring out ending dlc, I hope they just destroy everything.  You want closure?  Everything dies.  That's closure.  That would be the only dlc that I WON'T buy for this game.  I can vote with my wallet, too.

Modifié par SKRemaks, 19 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[panamakira]

Anybody has the right to like the endings. It's rude and childish to attack people for liking it. If they like the endings, good for them, I wish I was in your shoes. If people had the need to explain to them why they should not like the endings, well, that's not the point. If they felt after finishing the game, satisfied with what they got that has nothing to do with us. Many of us didn't get that satisfaction, hence why we feel the need to tell Bioware so.

Our purpose I feel is to gather as many people that didn't like the ending to state their concerns as to why they didn't in a polite manner in whatever medium they wish to. Primarily posting on forums, twitter, facebook and even e-mail BW.

[saracen16]

dfstone wrote...

If you saved Wrex in ME1 he leads the Krogan in ME2 and in ME3 he makes a pact with the female Krogan to unite the clans and not seek revenge for the genophage. So your prior choices do matter in the game. Its just at the ending where they don't seem to play any role and I think thats the problem people are having.

It would be completely unrealistic if they were all amalgamated to the final plot.

[Persephone]

SKRemaks wrote...

I had Mass Effect pre-ordered for a year before it came out.  I bought a 360 just to play that game.  I've played it through about 25 times.

I had Mass Effect 2 pre-ordered the day it became available to do so.  I've played through that game 35 times.

I had Mass Effect 3 pre-ordered the day it became available, as well.  All three are collector's editions.  I am now on my third play through of Mass Effect.  I finished my second play through last night, and immediately turned around and starting playing my third.  I chose the "green" ending both times.

My first playthrough I was sad, not because of the ending, but because it was the end.  Last night, I paid more attention, and I can honestly say that I was blown away with how beautiful I thought the ending was.

I sacrificed myself to stop the cycle of galactic extinction, and bring peace throughout the galaxy.  What's not wonderful about that?

So, all of you that seem to think that the people who like the endings are somehow not as invested as you are, or just started the series so don't "know" that they're not supposed to like the endings?  Get over yourselves.

Between what happened with Jennifer over on the DA team, and what's happening now with this game, you people have successfully turned all BioWare fans into laughingstocks.  Good job.

And like Penny Arcade says, you're basically demanding that BioWare do to Mass Effect 3 what George Lucas did to Star Wars...and you hate him for it.

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-masses-are-effected

If they do bring out ending dlc, I hope they just destroy everything.  You want closure?  Everything dies.  That's closure.  That would be the only dlc that I WON'T buy for this game.  I can vote with my wallet, too.

And posts like this are why I am saddened that people who FOUND CLOSURE in the ending they got are branded as anything but "true fans". Beautifully said!

[Ryokun1989]

Egonne wrote...

Whether you like the endings or not really boils down to your ability to IGNORE the endings.

The star child was weird, but certainly not unforeseeable. I felt like the Matrix went the same direction (gritty realism to something like New Age spiritualistic 'pantheism'). Possibly a bit disappointing and maybe a little Deus Ex (although the latter is arguable based on the fact that the 'star child' IS the cycle and the cycle was mentioned throughout the series).

The lack of choices certainly was disappointing, but could be a nihilistic philosophical statement on how our little choices may make a difference in the LITTLE things but by themselves are too small to change the outcome in the grand scheme of things. Sort of an anti-'butterfly effect' message. Here although I certainly DO understand the outrage of others because the developers kept pushing the '16 endings' thing. A bit of a 'white lie' on their part.

The unhappy endings were certainly foreseeable. Almost necessary when fighting antagonists such as the Reapers. I can see why people don't like it, and I personally would liked to have seen a happy ending, but an unhappy ending is CERTAINLY well within the realm of reason.

The problem is the gaping wounds in the plot. All stories take a certain 'suspension of disbelief' but the ending stretches credulity to its breaking point. Everything involving the Normandy simply has to be ignored; for it can't even be explained away, let alone reasonably explained. This is the key problem with the ending. It is nonsense, not an ending.

There isn't any philosophical depth to find in teleporting squad mates, Normandy in the slip stream, and Shepard under a pile of rubble (if the ending is to be taken at face value, meaning no indoctrination theory).

For any in depth analysis of the ending to occur, one must start with the agreement to IGNORE half the ending. For with those plot holes there, the story unravels and logical coherence break apart. Making analysis impossible.

I do understand where 'The ending has depth and I like it' crowd is coming from. Their argument is not totally without merit. But ignoring half the ending in order to deeply understand the rest of it seems a bit foolish. I'm certainly glad someone can though, for it is the only way one can 'understand' the ending in any meaningful way.

I see where you're coming from, but the other half of the ending mostly works for me too. I agree it takes *some* leap of the imagination, but it's still very much in line from what I saw in the first half.

[Bourne Endeavor]

saracen16 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

What it does is once again contradict the series’ theme and overall premise.

No, it doesn't. Mass Effect has always been about hard decisions from the outset.

Yes, so where was the choice to tell the Godchild to shove off; that we will find a way just as we had against Sovereign and Harbinger before hand. The only decision why had was a RGB color scheme.

[Brug0r]

Comguard2 wrote...

The rage needs some hours to develop.

So true.
What I felt first after the ending was; "well - that was a good game. A fine ending. Clealy the weakest of compared to the endings in ME1 & 2" 
But when I when went to bed my thoughts couldn't focus on other things but that ending. (I choose synethesis on my first playthrough). It was like I had accepted the ending but thus more i thought about, the more plotholes I found and lack of closure. And then I calmed myself down with the thought about multiple endings.  That calmess dissaperead rather fast when I discovered there are only 6 endings which are almost ALMOST indentical to eachother.
I thought that would be a happy ending, a sad ending, an ending where Shepard died but saved the galaxy, one where Shepard failed the galaxy and died (Think you got the picture now )... But no. Just 3 different colours.
The indoctrination Theory is actually the only thing keeping me playin' the game.

But some people think the ending was good, and grats to them then. We're all different. Some people think Star Wars Episode 1 is awesome - while I think it's an abomination on the frachise.
But I think you assure yourself that the majority of people who have played ME3 are not satisfied with the ending at all 

[Rulycar]

NOTE:
This example is NOT regarding EA/BioWare.

I had a neighbor who approached me and asked if I wanted easy money.
The group he was with had been contracted to log onto websites and post approved messages to quell anti-product groups. I declined, but it tells me companies do play hardball this way.

Whether any of these posters are paid may never be known and there is no quarantee EA/BioWare would even have knowledge. An investor protecting his interests, or an executive, or just some rich fan could act on their own.

[dfstone]

I don't think anyone gets stranded on earth, if they do it wouldn't be for long. In ME2 the Matriarch at the bar on Illium says the Asari can build their own Mass Relays. And the Protheans had already figured out how to build relays in M1. So its not like people can't build their own relays.

Plus, you can still fly to other stars without a relay. We all did it in ME2 and ME3. Its other star clusters you can't get to. So its not like all those people will be stuck around earth with no where to go.

Modifié par dfstone, 19 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Iluvantir]

The end makes some sense, but a whole lot of crap is in there as well - which leads me to a point of thinking it's either 1) indoctrination and you have to pass the 'test' to free your mind from it; or 2) simply a dream as Shep is knocked out after the blast from the Reaper.

DLC will probably give us the real ending, but I have to say this:

I will LOVE DLC that adds more missions, units to fight with you, allies and crewmates, etc. I will buy THOSE DLCs...

I will NOT, however, pay for a DLC for the REAL ending of this game. If there IS a real ending, if it IS a dream or indoc happening here, then that REAL ending needs to be put out as a END-PATCH, or FREE DLC. I will not PAY for the end to a game that should have come WITH the game I bought.

As for the mind-play they do with what we currently have, it IS thought provoking, but ENTIRELY unsatisfying. For us to be expected to pay for a real end is a cruel joke.

Bioware. I love your games. SWTOR, KOTOR, DA:O and DA2... But Mass Effect is your crowning achievement. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't let it fade off with a poor ending or expecting your fans to PAY for a real one. Expansion DLC for ME3 = fine, great and amen. Charged DLC for the end to see what we achieved, good, bad, horrible, glorious or anything inbetween? Never. I will not pay for that. And if that is what you expect, I'm going to be very VERY careful about your games in the future. Please don't let it end this way.

For those who liked/loved the ending as it is - power to you. But as an RPG lover, it sucked with all the plot holes, unanswered questions...

Who built the Reapers? Why? What is the REAL meaning behind the cycles?
What happened to those living on the Citadel when the Reapers came and took it to Earth?
What happened to our Galatic readiness when that event happened? It should have lessened everything with C-Sec dead or missing...
Why was Joker and the crew of the Normandy high-tailing it out of the battle BEFORE Shep made that 3-colour choice?
Why were some of the crew-mates on the Normandy when they had JUST been with me charging for the Conduit? They died or got seriously injured, didn't they?

So many unanswered questions. So much more unsaid - how did the galaxy recover without the Mass Relays? How did the massed fleets return to their homes? Etc... etc...

Please answer us and make an ending WORTHY of Mass Effect and Bioware.

Thank you