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[Vikali]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

There's a whole lot of inconsistencies and plot holes in the ending described in numerous videos which cannot be explained by people who "liked" the endings. They cannot be ignored either, so it's either:

1. Those people who are fine with the endings can suspend disbelief exceptionally well unlike the rest of us. Like, overlook the most glaring plotholes likes Normandy teleporting to the edge of the solar system and Joker being a coward, and not care.

2. They are not as emotionally attached to their squad as most of us - because saying the ending is fine and provides closure means you really don't care to find out what happens afterwards.

3. They think the promises Bioware made were fulfilled and player choice mattered by choosing A, B or C and getting a different coloured explosion.

4. They love SPECULATION!

So if you are in 1 of those 4 camps, more power to you. Even if you are not and still like the ending, I'm ok with it.

But for me personally, I'll hold the line.

What about liked the direction, not the execution and wants clarification as well?

Also while I love the characters, I love the universe more. Extremely attached to it.

[Vikali]

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

How am I not helping your cause? I contribute to it. I approve of it to a degree. I'm just not as unhappy. The attitude and rude behavior is coming from your own movement. Not us.

[HenchxNarf]

KitePolaris wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

How am I not helping your cause? I contribute to it. I approve of it to a degree. I'm just not as unhappy. The attitude and rude behavior is coming from your own movement. Not us.

Have I said I like you yet, cause I do. <3

[Johnners91]

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

If you feel that way, then why don't you go politick on another thread.

[Vikali]

HenchxNarf wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

How am I not helping your cause? I contribute to it. I approve of it to a degree. I'm just not as unhappy. The attitude and rude behavior is coming from your own movement. Not us.

Have I said I like you yet, cause I do. <3

D'aw. You make me smile.

[Ryokun1989]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

There's a whole lot of inconsistencies and plot holes in the ending described in numerous videos which cannot be explained by people who "liked" the endings. They cannot be ignored either, so it's either:

1. Those people who are fine with the endings can suspend disbelief exceptionally well unlike the rest of us. Like, overlook the most glaring plotholes likes Normandy teleporting to the edge of the solar system and Joker being a coward, and not care.

2. They are not as emotionally attached to their squad as most of us - because saying the ending is fine and provides closure means you really don't care to find out what your decision have created.

3. They think the promises Bioware made were fulfilled and player choice mattered by choosing A, B or C and getting a different coloured explosion.

4. They love SPECULATION!

So if you are in 1 of those 4 camps, more power to you. Even if you are not and still like the ending, I'm ok with it.

But for me personally, I'll hold the line.

They can be explained and have be explained any number of times! You refuse to listen!

As for point 3, no I don't think BioWare delivered on that specific marketing quote. I think it's a bloody stupid marketing quote, but happily I hadn't heard it before I played the game, and in fact if I had it probably wouldn't have really bothered me. I don't care that much about meaningless choices that give you a slightly different cinematic. Heavy Rain, though a wonderful ride, had an ending that was utterly forgettable. It's not saying anything!
Mass Effect 3's ending revolves around a real question, one that exists outside the game world. That makes it fascinating and sets it apart from most videogames.

Now stop going on saying we don't address your complaints, because we do!

[HenchxNarf]

KitePolaris wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

How am I not helping your cause? I contribute to it. I approve of it to a degree. I'm just not as unhappy. The attitude and rude behavior is coming from your own movement. Not us.

Have I said I like you yet, cause I do. <3

D'aw. You make me smile.

It gives me a warm feeling inside when I see people who like the endings finally stand up against the people who have been making them seem inferior. My heart swells with pride.

[Vikali]

Johnners91 wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

If you feel that way, then why don't you go politick on another thread.

Yep. They come into multiple threads and do stuff like that. then call us the spammers and rude people. And then even get mad when we ask them to contain it.

HenchxNarf wrote...

It gives me a warm feeling inside when I see people who like the endings finally stand up against the people who have been making them seem inferior. My heart swells with pride.

 

Yes, I refuse to respond to bullying tactics. Which this hold the line movement has resorted to. And it's a shame because all the good people are being buried by the ones who think being rude is the best way to act.

Meanwhile I spent a huge potion of the day defending these same people while they come in here and say I'm not a true fan.

Modifié par KitePolaris, 20 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[zimm2142]

Bioware is running COINTELPRO style operations. Ok not that much, but some people have claimed that they have insider connections that have said that a few people are being asked to go on the forums and claim they like the ending. Some genuinely do like the ending, Why?, I don't know really how they can ignore the plot holes, but to each his own, I respect their right to hold such views, even if I don't agree with them.

[Ryokun1989]

I don't see people who like the ending making lists on how people who dislike the ending must be

1. Call of Duty fans
2. Just want stupid entertainment, not having to think
3. Were paid by Blizzard Entertainment
4. HATE THINKING!!!

[Vikali]

zimm2142 wrote...

Bioware is running COINTELPRO style operations. Ok not that much, but some people have claimed that they have insider connections that have said that a few people are being asked to go on the forums and claim they like the ending. Some genuinely do like the ending, Why?, I don't know really how they can ignore the plot holes, but to each his own, I respect their right to hold such views, even if I don't agree with them.

You really have to hook me up. I wanna be paid to do this. I will even give you a cut of my paycheck.

[HenchxNarf]

zimm2142 wrote...

Bioware is running COINTELPRO style operations. Ok not that much, but some people have claimed that they have insider connections that have said that a few people are being asked to go on the forums and claim they like the ending. Some genuinely do like the ending, Why?, I don't know really how they can ignore the plot holes, but to each his own, I respect their right to hold such views, even if I don't agree with them.

Do you have proof of such outlandish claims? Because from where I'm standing, you just seem uneducated.

[Johnners91]

zimm2142 wrote...

Bioware is running COINTELPRO style operations. Ok not that much, but some people have claimed that they have insider connections that have said that a few people are being asked to go on the forums and claim they like the ending. Some genuinely do like the ending, Why?, I don't know really how they can ignore the plot holes, but to each his own, I respect their right to hold such views, even if I don't agree with them.

LMAO. You got any prime suspects?

[mattynutz]

Have you looked at Creed and Nickelback's sales lately? I don't comprehend it either, but absence of taste is rather... common.

[HenchxNarf]

Johnners91 wrote...

zimm2142 wrote...

Bioware is running COINTELPRO style operations. Ok not that much, but some people have claimed that they have insider connections that have said that a few people are being asked to go on the forums and claim they like the ending. Some genuinely do like the ending, Why?, I don't know really how they can ignore the plot holes, but to each his own, I respect their right to hold such views, even if I don't agree with them.

LMAO. You got any prime suspects?

It's a conspiracy theory, didn't you know? We all work for Bioware. *sage nod*

[Vikali]

mattynutz wrote...

Have you looked at Creed and Nickelback's sales lately? I don't comprehend it either, but absence of taste is rather... common.

Stay classy as you hold that line. :3

[HenchxNarf]

mattynutz wrote...

Have you looked at Creed and Nickelback's sales lately? I don't comprehend it either, but absence of taste is rather... common.

That's because all of Creed's fans are now Alter Bridge fans. Your point is invalid.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 20 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[cinderburster]

KitePolaris wrote...

Johnners91 wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

If you feel that way, then why don't you go politick on another thread.

Yep. They come into multiple threads and do stuff like that. then call us the spammers and rude people. And then even get mad when we ask them to contain it.

HenchxNarf wrote...

It gives me a warm feeling inside when I see people who like the endings finally stand up against the people who have been making them seem inferior. My heart swells with pride.

 

Yes, I refuse to respond to bullying tactics. Which this hold the line movement has resorted to. And it's a shame because all the good people are being buried by the ones who think being rude is the best way to act.

Meanwhile I spent a huge potion of the day defending these same people while they come in here and say I'm not a true fan.

I'd like to think MOST of the people saying that sort of thing aren't actually involved in the movement.  I have no proof of this, however.  

As it is, thank you for defending Retake ME.  I think the main message of the group has started getting muddled.  It really is awesome when people like the endings.  I will respectfully disagree, but I don't see any reason to try to make them feel their opinion is wrong.

I don't see any reason to try to force a change that will make them unhappy, either.  I'd just like some explanation for the holes.

[Vikali]

cinderburster wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

Johnners91 wrote...

Gulkin wrote...

I wish ppl who hate the ending will just ignore the one who likes it. No, they need to bump their thread so everyone see it and bump it again. So useless, they like the end and they won't change their opinion. Why bother? I don't see the point of it except giving them the attention they want. You will see less of those threads if everyone do that.

I will repeat myself and say: Please if you want to help our cause, ignore those threads who loves the end. If you see one, please don't even click on it. It will take less than 2 min to reach the page 3.

If you feel that way, then why don't you go politick on another thread.

Yep. They come into multiple threads and do stuff like that. then call us the spammers and rude people. And then even get mad when we ask them to contain it.

HenchxNarf wrote...

It gives me a warm feeling inside when I see people who like the endings finally stand up against the people who have been making them seem inferior. My heart swells with pride.

 

Yes, I refuse to respond to bullying tactics. Which this hold the line movement has resorted to. And it's a shame because all the good people are being buried by the ones who think being rude is the best way to act.

Meanwhile I spent a huge potion of the day defending these same people while they come in here and say I'm not a true fan.

I'd like to think MOST of the people saying that sort of thing aren't actually involved in the movement.  I have no proof of this, however.  

As it is, thank you for defending Retake ME.  I think the main message of the group has started getting muddled.  It really is awesome when people like the endings.  I will respectfully disagree, but I don't see any reason to try to make them feel their opinion is wrong.

I don't see any reason to try to force a change that will make them unhappy, either.  I'd just like some explanation for the holes.

I think everyone can agree explanations and clarifications are desired.

[Shaigunjoe]

Yes, there are a whole lot of plot holes if you take things at face value, some people wrote an entire document detailing them, which I thought was funny because there are ways to explain this, mention in several forum posts. All of these ways mean not taking things at face value. I understand that is difficult for a lot of people that play/watch movies/games that spoon feed things to you, and yes, I guess if I couldn't extrapolate my own conclusions from the given material I would feel very angry.

The sad thing is most people are pretty much outright attacking BW for what is otherwise an exceptional gaming experience. With breadth and depth not really seen in other video games. While, yes, you may convince the money bags (EA) to make BW do another ending, at a great cost to them else you will boycott/review bomb the current finished product. The next time any developers tell a publisher "I have a sweeping saga that will take 3 games to tell, and incorporate decisions/actions from all three games" the answer will either be an outright no, or the publisher will want so much control of the product that the end result will be so sterile that it will be almost insulting to play.

BW took risk with a lot of gameplay/mechanic devices, and plot. Considering they succeeded on most all fronts with most all people is laudable. If you really hate the endings, spend some time perusing other great scifi works, and literary techniques, there are a lot of them, and I'm sure the BW writers know them all. You will at least learn something new about how fiction can be told and presented, and understand that because something is shown to you, it may mean something completely different.

[Ryokun1989]

I thought this post was pretty awesome and I completely agree with it:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10270489/1

[webhead921]

tmsolberg wrote...

I think the main difference between the "haters" and the "likers" is this;
"Ending likers" just play the game for the action. No time to think about stuff, just play through and go back to #insert any COD-title here".
"Ending haters" reflect on what they are experiencing, read the codex, play the game with lore in mind. "Ending haters" take a part in the wonderful world.

Thats what I think, anyway.


Hold the line!

PS. I have been a huge Bioware fan and I really enjoy the ME series. But if this isn't fixed I really don't think I'll buy more Bioware titles... Tragic really.

This is so far from the truth.  So you are assuming that everyone who liked the ending is just a fan of action and is unable to appreciate entertainment with substance.  It's people like you who give fuel to sites like ign that call fans entitled.

[Meltemph]

If you really hate the endings, spend some time perusing other great scifi works, and literary techniques, there are a lot of them, and I'm sure the BW writers know them all. You will at least learn something new about how fiction can be told and presented, and understand that because something is shown to you, it may mean something completely different.66

Are you actually saying there are good scfi books that ends like this game does? Are you kidding me? Jerry tried to make this same point and I don't get it. I have read a LOT of classic scifi and scifi in general and I cant think of a single story that tried to argue that you need a singularity to control a singularity so a singularity doesn't destroy the galaxy. About the ONLY book you can compare this ending to is 2001:Space Odyssey, but that ALWAYS was ambiguous, so it is not a good comparison.

What bioware did, is create an ending, that engulfs the entire trilogy to the point of near eating it. It reduced all the plot points prior to, by making the ending the main thing. At the end of the game you are not asking yourself, I wonder how the Krogan and the Turians are going to get along, you aren ot asking yourself how the geth and the quarian get along, you are not even asking if you are going to regret keeping the Rachnii alive. This would be ok if this was the 1st or 2nd, but it is not.

No, at the end of this story you are sitting there asking yourself what does it mean for the entire ME settings, because of what happens to the ending. It isn't even just that the relays exploded, but how, no matter what ending you choose, is all your decisions going to compare to what you just had to do.

Now you can make an assumption about what you think may have happened, but at the end of the game, you feel no closure about the trilogy if you have any interest in the ME world beyond Sheps story. All you are left with now isnt how curing the genophage helped or hurt the galaxy, but if you curing the genophage is even worth wondering now that the people on Tuchanka are not going anywhere other then their planet. You are stuck wondering, now that the Quarians fleet is on the opposite side of the galaxy if everything you just did prior to the ending, will even help, since their entire fleet, essentially, is staring at earth.

The only thing the end did is; make all the choices you made not come into question because you made those choices, but come into question because the very fabric of the ME universe is forever changed.

[webhead921]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Alot of people who liked the endings often ignore or downplay the plotholes as unimportant. I think it's a mental issue. I believe their brains works differently and they are more gullible and willing to accept whatever is told to them rather than be skeptical and question everything.

Calling people gullible for liking something is small minded.  It's people like you who undermine others who are civilly providing legitimate criticism of the endings.  

[webhead921]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Guys, you know how you don't like to be called self-entitled babies or spoiled brats?

You really shouldn't be calling people who like the ending idiots or casual gamers, or you really have nothing to stand on.

100% agree.