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[Skirlasvoud]

The first wave of gamers were hardcore fans, who really looked deep into the meanings of things and the concequences of all our choices.

The second wave are the casuals.

The latter waves are probably the people who just picked up ME3 without playing the other parts. And yes, for them I can imagine the ending was alright.



It's going to bite the movement in the butt. Hold the line people! We are the the fans Bioware should cherish!

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 19 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[ZzOoRrGg]

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

I said it in a different response, but, the choice represents your abil

Okay, this is getting nowhere.

For the rest of you, you've more than likely seen this, but it sums up what I think more or less without me typing a freaking scroll of text:

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

See you guys later, I'm off to kill brutes.

Modifié par ZzOoRrGg, 19 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Gunslinger01101]

AlexXIV wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Kraykan82 wrote...

Also, this was an excellent interpretation of the endings events. I recommend you read it.
http://social.biowar.../index/10237724

Forget this. Explain to me why synthetics wipe out all life. Explain why Shepard gets to choose the endings and why those three choices are the only ones possible. And then explain why the endings fix the problem the AI wanted to solve to begin with. Easy as that.

You are either thick headed or too angry to think. the WHOLE POINT is that the line the kid gives you is B.S. The Reapers want you to NOT choose destroy, so the kid paints it as the worst option and tries to make the reapers sound a bit more altruisitc to push you over the edge. He even goes so far as to color destroy in renegade red for those of us that follow that sort of thing. So, yeah, it doesnt make sense. Your job was to SEE THROUGH THAT and choose destroy. Did you?

No, you don't get the point. Why does the AI even give Shepard a choice. Either that's the indoctrination theory or doesn't make sense. Shep was good as dead before the AI lifted him/her up. Why? Because it was lonely? Needed someone to chat with? Wanted some answers from a 30 year old N7 soldier that it could not find itself in a billion years? Yeah, it is easy to like if you don't ask any questions, that's already more than clear.

Nope, again,y ou aren't looking deep enough. I hate explaining this over and over, but here it is: Shepard's mind is still intact. I think it's been shown over and over that he has quite the iron will. Anderson was the embodiment of his good side. The AI has to give him a choice because its all in his mind and he still has the capacity to fight back. Bing Bang Boom.

What? Fight back? You make no sense. How was Shepard supposed to kill the AI thing? Or force it anyway? Sorry man but it is not all in Shepard's head, it is all in your head. What you say you just made up to distract yourself from the terrible ending. Also answer me how any ending changes anything in the long run. No matter what you choose, synthetics will either wipe out all organics, or they will build Reapers again and start new cycles.

It's pointless to talk to you. If the ENTIRE PREMISE is that he is really laying in the rubble in london, and the reapers are trying to indoctrinate him....then yeah he's still got some power over his own mind. I won't keep going, you clearly don't have either the will or the capacity to 'get it' as it were. You can keep your opinions. I'll keep mine.







.....but I enjoyed the endiing so...*neener, neener!*

[Gunslinger01101]

Skirlasvoud wrote...


The first wave of gamers were hardcore fans, who really looked deep into the meanings of things and the concequences of all our choices.

The second wave are the casuals.

The latter waves are probably the people who just picked up ME3 without playing the other parts. And yes, for them I can imagine the ending was alright.



It's going to bite the movement in the butt. Hold the line people! We are the the fans Bioware should cherish!

The fourth wave were the people that make generalizations that have ZERO relation to reality? I beat the game in a week. I have hundreds of hours into 1 and 2. I bought 1 on release. Soooooooo apologize for being completely and utterly wrong?

[Renew81]

some people like it yes..
that doesnt change the fact that a LARGE group of fans do not like the ending
simply becauese it doesnt give any kind of closure and it pretty much ruins the series
leaving you with more plotholes / questions.

The ghostkid at the end was complete BS , i was frozen watching it / shocked..
that such a lame and untrue / unlogicall ending was rushed into mass effect 3
Wrap it up guys ! , we gotta sell this stuff.

[Reiella]

Diablos2525 wrote...

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

A lot of the rage was simply repackaged rage from folks on the spoiler boards.  And it seems to largely continue the circle-rage aspect.  Folks got more upset about it the more they ruminated on it, and the forums provided more than ample opportunity for such.

That and there's such a nice bit of dismissive hostility to folks who actually like the ending and a feeling that they need to justify it that some probably just didn't want to get involved in a war on the internetz.

That said, I think ME3 is the worst to stand on it's own merits of the series.  There's far too much in the game that builds on previous content.

[CombustiblePanda]

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

The fourth wave were the people that make generalizations that have ZERO relation to reality? I beat the game in a week. I have hundreds of hours into 1 and 2. I bought 1 on release. Soooooooo apologize for being completely and utterly wrong?

So let's apply your one experience to a large group of players and then state it as fact.

Modifié par CombustiblePanda, 19 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[AlexXIV]

Gunslinger01101 wrote...
It's pointless to talk to you. If the ENTIRE PREMISE is that he is really laying in the rubble in london, and the reapers are trying to indoctrinate him....then yeah he's still got some power over his own mind. I won't keep going, you clearly don't have either the will or the capacity to 'get it' as it were. You can keep your opinions. I'll keep mine.







.....but I enjoyed the endiing so...*neener, neener!*

Yeah grats on keeping maturity. Not. And you could as well have said before that you mean indoctrination theory, because that's very much it. This theory makes most sense tbh. but I am not convinced that it is true whatsoever. It's just a theory and you can believe it or not.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Wattoes]

I haven't seen many people talking positive about the endings personally.

Hell, I have yet to see a poll where more than 20% of the people liked or are indifferent to it. 80+% HATE it.

[Lightice_av]

SealKudos wrote...

People here have said again and again though - a lack of a happy ending is not the problem.  The problem is that there are illogical scenes in the ending, the choice boils down to "pick a color, any color", and totally disregards any choice we've made up to that point.

I'm curious as to why these endings are "illogical". The only logical quandry I found was in the Destruction ending, where I must wonder how you define "synthetic life", and separate it from non-sapient computer systems. Beyond that, I see no logical issues about these endings.

Like I said, I agree that with some effort the endings could have been made more personalized by showing how all the people you've influenced react, but I have no problem with the core decisions themselves. The whole thing reflects the spirit of the games, and the different perspectives you've come across quite well.

Also, while the lack of standard happy ending may not be a problem for you, that's the most common complaint I've seen on all forums I've been to. And that frankly is just sad.

[Asharad Hett]

This thread should be closed because it starts off with inflammatory remarks.
I don't care which side you are on, don't insult the other side!

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 19 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[Gunslinger01101]

Reiella wrote...

Diablos2525 wrote...

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

A lot of the rage was simply repackaged rage from folks on the spoiler boards.  And it seems to largely continue the circle-rage aspect.  Folks got more upset about it the more they ruminated on it, and the forums provided more than ample opportunity for such.

That and there's such a nice bit of dismissive hostility to folks who actually like the ending and a feeling that they need to justify it that some probably just didn't want to get involved in a war on the internetz.

That said, I think ME3 is the worst to stand on it's own merits of the series.  There's far too much in the game that builds on previous content.

Maybe so but at least it didn't have a....giant f***ing terminator reaper.

[CasbynessPC]

I also think a lot of people are getting to the point where the damage has been done and even if the endings are changed for free in a really significant and satisfying way, the game will still be spoiled for them. We can't un-see the fact that it looks like the endings are inspired by a death metal song and related static picture that changes colour. We can't un-know the fact that Bioware thought lots of speculation would be a fantastic idea, despite the earlier promises.

Fixing the endings would be great, but won't change my attitude towards the next TOR, DA3 or other Bioware game announcement.

[Tocquevillain]

Diablos2525 wrote...

I've been seeing a lot of people like the endings of Mass effect 3. I have to wonder though, are they really big fans of the series or have they just picked up the latest one and put "action mode" or whatever on. Because the ending makes no sense... at all, and goes against the lore established by previous mass effect games and dlc. Are these people just ****s, or simply ignorant? Every time they say they like the ending they never give a reason why. Is it the fact that it was ripped straight from Deus Ex 1. Or the fact that it creates 10 plotholes, or the fact that it goes against the whole purpose of the series where you collect forces to stop the Reapers only to make the collection of those forces pointless since we all get 98% the same ending.

I am seriously so confused, how can people be so stupid? Have they not finished the game?

EDIT: I'm wondering if all the people who finished the game first were mostly series fans, whereas now we are seeing a bunch of first time fans finishing the game weeks later?

I didn't think of Shepard as "mine". When I made decisions, I knew I was picking decisions Bioware laid out. The ending confirmed my own thoughts about the series and left me satisfied that the galaxy was saved from Reaper control.

HUGE MASS EFFECT FAN! 

Modifié par Tocquevillain, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[Dimensio]

Lightice_av wrote...

I frankly continue to be surprised by all the vitriol and mad anger towards the endings, most which doesn't even seem to be directed at some of the problems they had, but the fact that they didn't include "lives happily ever after, world returns to status quo"-end.

Perhaps, were you to address the actual complaints regarding the ending rather than dishonestly misrepresent the majority of complaints regarding the ending, your argument would possess merit.

[Gunslinger01101]

AlexXIV wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...
It's pointless to talk to you. If the ENTIRE PREMISE is that he is really laying in the rubble in london, and the reapers are trying to indoctrinate him....then yeah he's still got some power over his own mind. I won't keep going, you clearly don't have either the will or the capacity to 'get it' as it were. You can keep your opinions. I'll keep mine.







.....but I enjoyed the endiing so...*neener, neener!*

Yeah grats on keeping maturity. Not. And you could as well have said before that you mean indoctrination theory, because that's very much it. This theory makes most sense tbh. but I am not convinced that it is true whatsoever. It's just a theory and you can believe it or not.

Isn't this entire thread about indoctrination theory and why its not that but just bad writing? Did I hallucinate all that flame?

[Xellith]

You can easily unsee a spoiled ending. its called replayability. Ill just pretend that was my worst playthrough and start again aiming to get the ending I worked for and not some bullcrap ending that I was given the first time around.

[Claym0re]

Tocquevillain wrote... The ending which confirmed my own thoughts about the series and left me satisfied that the galaxy was saved from Reaper control. 

Yep except billions blew up, or starwed to death. Pick your choice.

[Lightice_av]

Dimensio wrote...

Perhaps, were you to address the actual complaints regarding the ending rather than dishonestly misrepresent the majority of complaints regarding the ending, your argument would possess merit.

Perhaps you should read every paragraph of my post, instead of assuming that the first contains everything I wanted to say.

[shurryy]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Well, let's face it, what happens at the end has a certain element of grave sacrifice about it no matter what option you pick. Some people can enjoy that in a philosophical sort of way - save the galaxy but have to destroy galactic civilization to do it.

It's a bit silly to call people stupid for enjoying it when you don't. I hate Twilight, but I ruefully have to admit some fairly smart people I know enjoy it.

Smart people who likes twilight? NOW I've heard it all! 

Wattoes wrote...

I haven't seen many people talking positive about the endings personally.

Hell, I have yet to see a poll where more than 20% of the people liked or are indifferent to it. 80+% HATE it.

 

Pretty much this... I wouldn't make a fuss over people who likes the ending, good for them! They've probably had the ride of their life! But... It just shows who can and can't recognize a badending when it's slapped in their faces. 

Modifié par shurryy, 19 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[Lightice_av]

Claym0re wrote...

Yep except billions blew up, or starwed to death. Pick your choice.

Blew up? People are still mistaking the energy burst from the Crucible for an explosion? 

[Aedan276]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

Because people that don't support the ending have simmered down a bit, maybe? It does seem as if things have calmed down a bit...

There's not much else to say or do for the moment. We're just waiting to see if Bioware addreses our grievances or not. 

[Aweus]

Too much generaliztion in this thread. From both sides. People can be jack**** no matter if they liked the endings or not. I personally support the outcome in which as much of people as possible will be satisfied. Which means adding more ending options. Happy, sad, pick your medicine. Also keeping the old ones for those who really liked them and expand a bit with more explanations. I am not happy with current options but if I knew I am not in what looks like to be a big majority, I would just stfu and cry in a corner. Remember people, this game was supposed to be about personal choices. Why anyone dismisses others the right to have a different ending without sacrificing your own (both haters and lovers alike) is beyond me. For what Mass Effect always was, ME3's ending should be a gigantic example of multiple different outcomes. And not 3 options which are very similar to each other and gives satisfaction to what seems to be few and between.

[Psythorn]

Even if I take into account that usually for 1 people complaining there are 10 that do not complain (rule of thumb) that still tells me that there are way to much people that do not like it. I still do not see how someone can think that the ending is a success if alienating more than 50% of their fanbase.

http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

Endings suck, we want a brighter one.
91%(54616 votes)

Endings are fine, we just want the Normandy strand on Earth or somewhere near Shepard.
6%(3742 votes)

Fine as it is.
2%(1252 votes)

So even if I take the 2% ten times it's still 12,520 vs 54,616 people that do not like it.
So if I would be somewhere in Bioware I would be alerted.
The only thing this doesn't tell me is how mad those 54k people are and what they are willing to do... But time will tell that...

Modifié par Psythorn, 19 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[Fail_Inc]

CombustiblePanda wrote...

I swear if I read one more post about how the only reason we don't like the ending is because it isn't "happy" I'm going to explode.

This 
And I swear if I read one more post comparing this game's ending to movies I'm going to explode. Seriously which movie director let's you choose anything while shooting his movie? Can you kill Jar-Jar in SW:Ep1? Can you call Padme a f***** pedophile for banging Anakin? It's like saying you can ride cars on the sea because they have seats just like boats.