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[AlexXIV]

super4star wrote...

If walters worked in my company i would fire him.

[The Night Mammoth]

The more and more I read about the less and less it makes sense. There's definitely something wrong. No, it's not the Indoctrination Theory, which, whilst factually sound and contains some pretty reasonable assumptions, doesn't really fit with the tone of the ending.

Bioware were obviously laying the groundwork for something, with the kid only Shepard can see at the beginning and his dreams, and the almost ethereal nature of the pre-star kid part of the ending.

I believe they reached a certain point where there wasn't enough time to finish the game completely before the end of the financial quarter. Probably an EA decision, who just wanted to cash in, with a mind that if there really was an uproar about it they could cash in on ending DLC in the next quarter. Bioware were fine with that, they could easily use the Harbinger laser attack or the magic lift as retcon points if need be.

Call it a conspiracy, but it just seems like a plausible business decision given the track record of these big publishers.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 19 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[wright1978]

There seems to be this worrying gulf in mindset between lots of us fans and the devs. I get the very honest impression that they are completely shocked at the negative reaction whereas from my side on the fence i'm completely shocked that they can't have seen the huge glaring problems with the ending.

[Liberi]

I think they will do a comic, like the one with the ps3 version of ME2 lol

[GreyhameBioware]

Captain Arty wrote...

They just made a bad artistic judgement. I know what they were trying to do. They were trying to tie it up and make the greatest sci-fi story ever told, one in which the main character transcends even his own life (synthesis).

I'll bet they got so tied up with making a grandiose ending that they just forgot that this is a game, and that there is no singular story in a Mass Effect playthrough.

Mass Effect 2 was perfect. There was a good ending and a disastrous ending. You are rewarded with the good ending, and you are directly rewarded for good things you do throughout the game by not seeing your squadmates die.

In ME3, they disregarded that fundamental principle. They tried to write a movie, and not a game, and it didn't work.

We all make mistakes. It's sad they made one on this. Now I just hope they fix it.

I'm just quoting this to agree.  I can see what they were trying to do, but I don't think it fits.  Now they have a chance to fix it.

[Xenoaroe]

Don't hate too hard on Mac and the writers. Don't get me wrong, I despise the ending, but it wasn't malicious on their part. These guys have worked very hard to deliver one of the most satisfying gaming experiences to us. They had things that they wanted to accomplish for the goal of the series (end Sheppard's story, break the cycles, etc.). However, they just really misfired when they attempted to execute the ending. The problem seems to be that they fell in love with the ending (for whatever reason) and gave it priority over congruence with the rest of the game and series.

It was a grave error, a serious miscalculation, but I don't think there is malicious intent on their end.

[ichik]

Did he laugh demonically at the end of the interview?

[Militarized]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The more and more I read about the less and less it makes sense. There's definitely something wrong. No, it's not the Indoctrination Theory, which, whilst factually sound and contains some pretty reasonable assumptions, doesn't really fit with the tone of the ending.

Bioware were obviously laying the groundwork for something, with the kid only Shepard can see at the beginning and his dreams, and the almost ethereal nature of the pre-star kid part of the ending.

I believe they reached a certain point where there wasn't enough time to finish the game completely before the end of the financial quarter. Probably an EA decision, who just wanted to cash in, with a mind that if there really was an uproar about it they could cash in on ending DLC in the next quarter. Bioware were fine with that, they could easily use the Harbinger laser attack or the magic lift as retcon points if need be.

Call it a conspiracy, but it just seems like a plausible business decision given the track record of these big publishers.

From what I've heard they made more money from the intial sales of ME3 then the entire lifespan of ME1 or ME2 (doubt if you combine them, but that's still a lot). 

There may be some truth behind that and the ad blitz that was gigantic... 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

That guy couldnt even write an ending to a damn childrens book, even if his life depended on it.

"The cute litte bunny now had 3 choices:"

MERGE ALL THE LITTLE FOREST ANIMALS INTO CYBORGS.
BURN DOWN FOREST, BUT YOULL KILL THE BIG BAD BEAR.
MINDCONTROL MANBEARPIG TO DO YOUR BIDDING.

"Mommy I dont think I like this ending"
"Dont worry hun its space magic"

[Icinix]

...


....did they play the same endings as we did?

...was there an issue during mastering where the endings got omitted?

[justlogme]

miracleofsound wrote...

 Hey guys

Just reading an interview with Mac Walters in 360 Gamer magazine and thought I'd share a few relevant quotes with you. Take into account this was likely done before the endings backlash.

When asked what his favourite moment of the trilogy is so far:

'I have to say when I saw the final hour-ish of Mass Effect 3 come together it was something that, having written much of it, whether it was just the emotion of it - I've been on the project for 8 years now - finally seeing it wrap up and tie together and having a chance to say goodbye to these characters; the sense of wrapping it up in a way I found personally very rewarding and fulfilling.'

'As a writer you always worry on something like this, and certainly as a trilogy you worry did you do everything you could to bring it to this satisfactory finale and we came away feeling 'yes I'd love to be back in that universe' and 'thank you for ending it properly'.

'Having seen it come together I was just like 'wow'. I was so emotionally moved by it but I could also take that deep sigh and go 'Yeah, we did it'. We did everything we could anyway, and to me it's one of the things I'm most proud of'.

When asked where he saw the trilogy going from here:

'I think it will be less about what I want and more about what the fans want.' This is the end of Shepard's story so I think for a lot of the characters, if not ALL the characters and everything that's happening in the current timeline, this is the end.'

'To go back and re-tell that in some way I don't think would work.'

'Who knows about the future? I can't talk about it too much because I don't want to give away the endings but it really is kind of limitless. And the passionate fans that we have are always going to want to see something happening in this universe so I can imagine there will be something eventually, but this is definitely the end of SHepard's story'.

When asked about the science of the game being plausible

'From very early on we wanted the science of the universe to be plausible. Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space'. 



So there you go. Seems like the endings were possibly not a riush job after all, but actually deliberate?

Here's the website for the magazine but the review is only in the hard copy I'm afraid.

http://www.360-gamer...0-gamer-out-now

   WoW but in the end we got Space Magic!
  Nice to at least know who we have to thank for this...ur.. highly speculative ending. deffinently need to keep track of this guy so we know what games to NEVER buy.

[Grasich]

Had the ending actually been decent, then yes, I would probably be doing fanfiction for this world multiple years from now. I was still playing the original ME as of a couple weeks ago after having it for 5 years. Now... my only hope is to convince myself the endings happened differently, or what's the point?

[Gibb_Shepard]

Holy mother of lol.

He was the sole writer for the ending. I wonder if he had a hand in any of the great moments in the game? I'm guessing they were the "lesser" writer's creations.

[Montana]

The galaxy doesn't need the relays any more, they'll just use the plotholes in ME3s ending to get around.
Just like your squadmates did!

[Monochrome Wench]

Honestly I think when why are talking about the ending, they actually mean the entire game and all the various things that you have resolved. Cured genophage or not, sided with geth/quarians/resolved peacefully, failed to do side misisons dooming characters, got characters killed in previous game and how that impacts this one, etc etc.

When we talk about the ending we mean the last few minutes that resolve the reaper conflict and that is all. We also include any epilogue that tells what happens to the characters (which didn't exist!).

[Headcount]

Okay, Mac Walters, I'm ready for the punchline. This is a joke, right?

[Grasich]

Headcount wrote...

Okay, Mac Walters, I'm ready for the punchline. This is a joke, right?

I certainly hope so.

[_Flipp_]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

That guy couldnt even write an ending to a damn childrens book, even if his life depended on it.

"The cute litte bunny now had 3 choices:"

MERGE ALL THE LITTLE FOREST ANIMALS INTO CYBORGS.
BURN DOWN FOREST, BUT YOULL KILL THE BIG BAD BEAR.
MINDCONTROL MANBEARPIG TO DO YOUR BIDDING.

"Mommy I dont think I like this ending"
"Dont worry hun its space magic"

Haha actually the "burn down the forest" analogy is quite accurate ^^
But in your case I like the first one too ^^

[Bantz]

Reached wrote...

same people that said when they decided on the Tali picture YEP that's her

same people that said the tali picture wasn't a rip off photoshop.

[Count Viceroy]

Space Magic

[DS Monkfish]

Gah. Nnnnnngh. Must. Not. Lose. Temper.

*twitch*

[omntt]

...that was brutal

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

super4star wrote...

If walters worked in my company i would fire him.

Fire him and rather hire the mexican Janitor that dont even speak or write English...

... and the end would still be better.

[morrie23]

Headache... returning...