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[Cyruge]

this... this cannot be real

[Taleroth]

My initial thought it always "maybe they had bright ideas for wildly diverse endings that they never could quite implement, due to deadlines or other limitations." For this to be true, it requires the interview to be many months ago, perhaps even a year or more.

Then I check publication dates.

[LordHelfort]

Mac Walters, Writer for ME3, Professional Troll.

[Vaktathi]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Well you can **** that it's pissed people off all you want, but as soon as it happens, you can bet that EVERYBODY will be gushing and calling Bioware a genius. Nobody in modern media would havethe balls to do this. If they do, then they have my complete respect.

Hrm...not sure about that. I don't think it'd be taken as kindly as you think here.

Also; DRM. Imagine if PC users had to download the real ending and the thing was heavily encrypted on the disc for consoles, needing a specific patch to unlock, as a few have suggested due to the size of discs. The difference in size between the PC install and the 360/PS3 combined disc size is nearly 4GB, and you do virtually nothing on the first/final disc in ME3 before it ends, especially compared to the 25 hours you spend on Disc 2. The reason they couldn't do this on PC is because all files are installed in plain, easy to see subgroups. It would need a download, something you're guaranteed to be able to do, because you need Origin to play.

The game was cracked and origin free before the release date, this would have *zero* affect on pirated copies. All they need is *one* person with a valid game and origin account available to a release group, a couple of days (more likely hours) to fiddle around with it, and it'll be available to all the pirates as well. At that point you're now driving a wedge into the userbase based on platform for what amounts to a minor delay in availability. Unimagineably poor rights management, content distribution and marketing.

It would ****** the piraters off to no avail if they can't get the real ending on PC.

Again, one person with a valid game copy making it available to a release group would likely see this broken within hours of release, a couple days tops. 

Not seeing where this would have *any* effect on pirates.

It would also be a pretty damn cool move in terms of the playing with the community. Think about it; Most of us now think Shepard has been indoctrinated. They leave it two weeks, let it sit in. We're all screaming that this is not the end, we demand the real ending. This wake's up Sheprd in an ARG kind of way. The combined shouts of Planet Earth wake Shep up and make him finish the fight. This is why they wanted to wait until every territory had it and they ahd to wait for us all to finish.

It's a controversial theory amongst the userbase currently, and while it'd be a cool way to get back in, most of us just wanted to finish the game as we played it. We didn't want to have to wait several weeks to finish a game, especially with the majority of the content no longer fresh in our minds.



This is all just "too" clever, it might be interesting from a social experiment viewpoint, but it's not what people bought the game for or based on. People don't like being toyed with. It wouldn't do squat to pirates (show me one instance of a game or DLC not being available within a couple of days or more usually hours), and it's not something they'd be able to keep under wraps for as long as they'd need to, *SOMETHING* would crack, and likely would have already.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 19 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[survivor_686]

umm....is he talking about another ending. You know the epic one, which didn't make it into the final product?

[Kingthlayer]

I don't even know how to respond to this. Every single comment that I read by BioWare is the exact opposite of what's in the final game. How can they expect people to purchase another game from them, when all they do is lie.

Then again they expect us to hold on to our copies of Mass Effect 3 forever, so they're probably not even planning on making any new games, just multiplayer DLC.

[Blackmind1]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

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Pinkflu wrote...

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The Elite Elite wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

This isn't adding up. This interview very deliberately describes the opposite of what we got.

I agree. This does not add up at all. "Who knows about the future? I can't talk about it too much because I
don't want to give away the endings but it really is kind of limitless." Three options that lead to endings that are virtually identical in almost every way does not equal a limitless future. Something is fishy about all this.

We've been had. I'm calling it now. We've all been April fools pranked.This guy has been on the series in nearly every way since the very first game. There's no possible way all of these plot holes would randomly show up in the last ten minutes.

Notice how he very deliberately uses the words "Space Magic" at the very end. This is the exact thing we're now calling it.

We'll definitely be getting the real ending within the next week or two, just you wait. That's why they need most people who day one purchased worldwide to finish the game. They want EVERYBODY in uproar, just so they can go "Gotcha!", and give us an amazing ending. Mac Walters has not done wrong before, so why would he now?

Also, EVERYBODY has been saying they're listening on Twitter, Mac Walter's has been quiet since the game releaed in Japan. That was the final release day.

It's as though he's sitting back and watching us, when he's the one that should be interacting most.

We've all been played like saps.

I admire your optimism, bro/sis, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm normally a pessimist, but I'm incredibly good at reading into people's actions and language, and dictating what they're really doing or feeling. This talent stretches into all forms of media. I'm the guy that calls out every single jump in a horror movie 2 seconds before it happens. The one that calls the ending by the beginning actions of the hero. I've even worked in media analysis.

If I'm wrong about this, I'm hanging up my hat and leaving, because I just could not accept that my conclusion is not happening right now. Everything points to them playing us for saps.

One thing's for sure, they got exactly what they were aiming for. You're never going to forget Mass Effect 3 is this comes out to be true.

What would be the point, short of pissing everyone off for a few weeks until giving us a real ending that we paid for? Even if it was to build hype, that's the *wrong* kind of hype, especially when people finally get the ending and are exasperated by that point.

A multimillion dollar project like ME3 is not the type of thing for social "gotcha" experimentation. I'm sure the EA suits would have put a stop to something like that.

Well you can **** that it's pissed people off all you want, but as soon as it happens, you can bet that EVERYBODY will be gushing and calling Bioware a genius. Nobody in modern media would havethe balls to do this. If they do, then they have my complete respect.

Also; DRM. Imagine if PC users had to download the real ending and the thing was heavily encrypted on the disc for consoles, needing a specific patch to unlock, as a few have suggested due to the size of discs. The difference in size between the PC install and the 360/PS3 combined disc size is nearly 4GB, and you do virtually nothing on the first/final disc in ME3 before it ends, especially compared to the 25 hours you spend on Disc 2. The reason they couldn't do this on PC is because all files are installed in plain, easy to see subgroups. It would need a download, something you're guaranteed to be able to do, because you need Origin to play.

It would ****** the piraters off to no avail if they can't get the real ending on PC. It would also be a pretty damn cool move in terms of the playing with the community. Think about it; Most of us now think Shepard has been indoctrinated. They leave it two weeks, let it sit in. We're all screaming that this is not the end, we demand the real ending. This wake's up Sheprd in an ARG kind of way. The combined shouts of Planet Earth wake Shep up and make him finish the fight. This is why they wanted to wait until every territory had it and they ahd to wait for us all to finish.

They're announcing stuff to do with the Goliath weekend later. The guns also get delivered tomorrow. I'd be keeping my eye out to see what they say tonight about all of this. I think it's weird that they're delivering the weapons in a patch, two days after the event finishes. Most of all, it's the 360's official content update day. PS3 and PC can do it whenever they want. Just wait and see.


EDIT: Why would the Twitter guy say he has 10 endgame saves "because he's so indecisive"?

https://twitter.com/...784545534816257 

Also: 

https://twitter.com/...780616075948033 
You'll have to stick with us to find out about the ending.

https://twitter.com/...779596985892864 
Please stick with us, There's so much more to the universe that we can't get into right now.

More: 
https://twitter.com/...788906105212928 
A mysteriously cryptic illusive man tweet.
We're glad you liked him. We're quite fond of him as.well. Other than. Well, you know.

https://twitter.com/...787872519655424 
We definitely encourage you to keep your endgame saves

What's with all the cryptic tweets all of a sudden? today? I'm telling you all, I've called it.

Modifié par Blackmind1, 19 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Njald]

super4star wrote...

If walters worked in my company i would fire him.

Out of a canon. (spelling intended)

[ph0enix66]

I thought they stopped putting wormwood into absinthe...

[squee365]

Hack Falters.

[IhateEA-Mask]

I love how every single developer interview about the ending turned out to contradict the ending

[The Angry One]

The cryptic tweets are to stop people from returning our games and deleting our saves, as they want us to buy DLC.

[xSTONEYx187x]

OK, so we can agree that the ending was deflating, disheartening and downright absurd . . . BUT! Mac gave us characters like Wrex, TIM etc (anyone know who else he is responsible for) and I'm sure he wrote a few more. Some of the hate in this thread is outrageous.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 19 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[Zulmoka531]

He must think he's a Jedi or something, with all the space magic and "These are not the endings you are looking for" hand waving.

[SuperTeal]

miracleofsound wrote...

we didn't want it to be just magic in space'. 

Well they failed.  Good job Mac.

[FRancium]

poor guy, he really had no idea? every quote I see just gives us more ammunition.
'I think it will be less about what I want and more about what the fans want.'
'you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space'.

[The Angry One]

He's using typical buzzwords and catchphrases that a lot of sci-fi writers use.
It's just that these happen to completely be overriden by the ending (singular) he wrote.

[Tritium315]

...you worry did you do everything you could to bring it to this satisfactory finale...

No.

Modifié par Tritium315, 19 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Evanz]

Hepatitis Q wrote...

I swear it feels like I'm getting trolled by him reading this.

I think it was done or purpose.
Seriously - by the time of this interview they had this ending ready.

Surerly they couldn't just "miss" all the plotholes that ruin entire trilogy experience in just 10 minutes?

I think this movie describes this interview just as good as it describes the ending.


I really do not understand all this. Interviews and promises seem as if they described altogether different game.
Why would they say all this in the first place? Are they so detached from reality or what?

[ChristianTh]

Well, what ever he wrote and played. It seems to be not on in the game. In the game is only the RGB-ending with an cheap DLC-add. What went wrong? Changed the postguy the Mastercopy to get attention to his great vision?

[SirTerrens]

This interview has broken my brain. (snuff) Twice.

Indoc Theory needs a little improvement: everyone is indoctrinated.

[babies8mydingo]

Finally finished the game last night after sucessfully avoiding all spoilers. I cannot fathom how that ending made it in - everything up until then had been so well done - and then we get this incongruous mashup of the worst elements of nBSG's ending and the Matrix trilogy. The plot holes, the disconnect tonally and with all the elements that had been so well developed up until this point, the confusion, the lack of choice, the invalidation of everything you've done...
I've loved this franchise since day one, I've invested a lot of time, money and emotion in it - I'm very disappointed.

If Bioware does release some alternative ending, I hope they don't assume that what the fans want is some brainless happy ending - I hope they take the time and effort to really analize and understand why the ending was such a failure on so many levels and produce something truly worthy of all the other great work that they've put into this series.

[Evanz]

babies8mydingo wrote...

Finally finished the game last night after sucessfully avoiding all spoilers. I cannot fathom how that ending made it in - everything up until then had been so well done - and then we get this incongruous mashup of the worst elements of nBSG's ending and the Matrix trilogy. The plot holes, the disconnect tonally and with all the elements that had been so well developed up until this point, the confusion, the lack of choice, the invalidation of everything you've done...
I've loved this franchise since day one, I've invested a lot of time, money and emotion in it - I'm very disappointed.

If Bioware does release some alternative ending, I hope they don't assume that what the fans want is some brainless happy ending - I hope they take the time and effort to really analize and understand why the ending was such a failure on so many levels and produce something truly worthy of all the other great work that they've put into this series.

take a look at this:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

thats very good ideas here, especialy that they woul re-use some existing parts of the ending so it would be easier and faster to create.

[MoSa09]

When asked what his favourite moment of the trilogy is so far:

'I have to say when I saw the final hour-ish of Mass Effect 3 come together it was something that, having written much of it, whether it was just the emotion of it - I've been on the project for 8 years now - finally seeing it wrap up and tie together and having a chance to say goodbye to these characters; the sense of wrapping it up in a way I found personally very rewarding and fulfilling.'

i'd like to play the game he played, sounds like a good one. Last one i played severely disappointed me in the end