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[Noelemahc]

{Fix found, see below. Post preserved for posterity}

The first warning bell rang when, upon bringing Legion aboard the Normandy for the first time, I had Shala'Raan go "WTH is this?" at him. This in an imported save where I took him with me to Tali's Trial in ME2. "Fine", I thought, "It's a bug, it happens, we've had worse, right?" After all, that was the first time the game failed to recognize my actions from the previous ones.

Yeah, the worse came later.

So, end of Rannoch. I have to make the Big Decision. I let Legion upload himself fully. And yes, I watch the tearjerker scene instead. I wipe my tears away, get a drink of cool water and reload the save and stop him halfway. Another tearjerker, another reload. WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS? Where's the option to make them stop killing each other?

To clarify:

This is a ME1 import
He helped Tali with her Feros-started Pilgrimage quest in ME1
He romanced her in ME2 (imported properly, I resumed the romance in ME3)
Renegaded her out of exile (imported properly, she's an Admiral)
Destroyed the heretics (imported properly, Legion mentions it several times, as does EDI)
Renegaded Tali and Legion into making friends (no way to check if imported properly, no mention in-game other than they refer to each other in friendly terms - but how would I know the difference?)
Told the Admiralty Board to make peace with the Geth (ditto)
Destroyed the Collector Base (imported properly, mentioned several times)
Resumed romance with Tali once given the chance to
Learned that Tali is an admiral now
Saved Zaal'Koris
Punched Han'Gerrel via Renegade Interrupt (checked with the other way around, no change to outcome)
Did not let Xen dissect Legion
Supported Raan vs Gerrel in their argument (checked with the other way around, no change to outcome)
Supported Tali vs Xen in their argument
Disabled the geth fighter server
Did not get the "make peace" magic button at the end of Rannoch

The reputation bar is maxed out. Paragon is slightly larger than Renegade (save editor says Paragon 300-something, Renegade 200-something, reputation 430-something, I will clarify once I get home from work).
(EDIT: Checked via save edits, 800+ Para and 800+ Repu do not change ANYTHING)


WHAT HAPPENED? WHY CAN'T I MAKE THEM MAKE PEACE? Did that non-recognition scene earlier on signify Tali's trial events did not get imported properly? Does this scene have a secret requirement that Paragon or Renegade be higher than one another like the bizarre limitation on the Morinth decision in ME2 (where it didn't matter if you had a certain amount of one so much as if you have at least 50% more than of the other one)? Or what?

Until proven otherwise, I posit that this is a bug, much like the misordered Eluvian chain of events in DA2, and suggest it be fixed along with the other broken quests.

Thread EDITED for bits of clarity now that I know my decisions imported properly, courtesy of the save editor.

EDIT: Fix found. Crack open your save with a save editor and check whether plot flag 2935 is True (it should be if Tali was Loyal in ME2), and whether flags 757 or 759 are True (one OR the other should be True if Legion is Loyal). In my case ALL THREE WERE FALSE. This is what borked the Para/Rene dialogue options. I would recommend BioWare to look into this, while my thanks extend to the nameless people on the ME Wiki who figured out which savegame plot flags do what and to Gibbed for his save editor.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 23 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[Moondoggie]

You need to get a total of 5-7 points depending on paragon or renegade and the points are like this:

ME2:
Legion's Loyalty Mission: Rewrite = 0 / Destroy = 2
Tali's Loyalty Mission: Exile = 0 / Innocence = 2
Legion/Tali Argument: Siding with someone = 0 / Moderating argument through reputation interrupt = 1

ME3:
Saving the Admiral = 1
Shutting down the Geth Fighters = 1

Make sure you do those things in ME3 before you do the Reaper base.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 19 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Noelemahc]

That's why I posted my decision list. They go for MAX POSSIBLE POINTS. Hence my shock that I do not get to make peace.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 19 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[Moondoggie]

"Erased the heretics" Not clear what you mean by that. You rewrote them or chose to destroy them alltogether?

[Noelemahc]

Destroyed. Sorry for not being clear, English is not my first language (although I should still argue that "erased" is most certainly NOT "rewrote"), but even then I should have had more than enough points for the proper resolution, I've seen people post success stories about it.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 19 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[Noelemahc]

Update: my Para/Rene/Repu scores are,respectively, 318, 231 and 428. Any help there?

[Noelemahc]

Editing the save for rep did not change anything. 600/231/501 did not yield any changes. Hearing something from someone who HAS gotten the peace option would help greatly.

[Crinkles]

I got the peace option, and in Mass Effect 2 I: did not side with anyone during the Tali/Legion argument (both remained loyal), rewrote the Heretic geth, and got Tali declared innocent, with Legion being with me at the trial. In Mass Effect 3, I saved Admiral Koris and shut down the geth fighters.

I used a blue Paragon option to get them to stand down once Ran'Gerrel said he was moving in on the geth fleet. At that point, my reputation was not maxed out, but it was in the highest section.

[Noelemahc]

Thank you. Did you take the Renegade interrupt after the Geth Dreadnaught? Han'Gerrel sure deserves that punch, but I worry. It's the one thing nobody ever mentions as important, but I have a nasty suspicion that this is what's causing my troubles.

[Urazz]

Noelemahc wrote...

Thank you. Did you take the Renegade interrupt after the Geth Dreadnaught? Han'Gerrel sure deserves that punch, but I worry. It's the one thing nobody ever mentions as important, but I have a nasty suspicion that this is what's causing my troubles.

Yeah I punched Han'Gerrel in the stomach and still got the option to broker peace between the Geth and Quarians.

I think it also depends on other things as well potentially like those little arguments you can take part in on the Normandy with throughout the campaign on Rannoch.  I sided with Han'Gerrel when he asked for ships from Ran even though I punched him in the stomach, I warned Ran about the ship being attacked by Geth fighters, and sided with Tali against Xen on saving escape pods or going through a geth debris field for geth tech.

I also advocated the option of peace when possible in ME3.

Now when you get to the part when Legion does the upload you side with him and you will tell Tali to tell the fleet to back off.  They refuse and then you have the option to pick a side with regular options or pick the colored renegade or paragon options.  Pick one and then you get to watch them make peace.

[Noelemahc]

I did all that except for siding with Raan over Gerrel in their argument. Will re-do that too when I replay Rannoch today, see if it helps.

What I don't understand is why Shepard doesn't deserve an option to TRY talking the warmonger down, a middle left gray one.

[Noelemahc]

Hmm, the people in this thread post about being able to make peace even though they punched Han'Gerrel. So where DID my Shep go wrong?

I'm still hoping for a BioWare answer, BTW.

[Crinkles]

Noelemahc wrote...

Hmm, the people in this thread post about being able to make peace even though they punched Han'Gerrel. So where DID my Shep go wrong?

I'm still hoping for a BioWare answer, BTW.

The Technical Support forum is essentially player-run. You can sometimes get a Bioware answer if you're lucky, but there's not really anyone dedicated to answering questions in the Technical Support forum. (For big issues, you should contact EA technical support.)

In my playthrough, I didn't punch Han'Gerrel. I did side with him in the argument over committing the Patrol Fleet to cover the Heavy Fleet's flank, though.

[Noelemahc]

I'm fairly certain EA tech support will scoff at me if they won't flat-out ignore me. I have had more than enough bad experiences with those guys as it is.

[Crinkles]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting EA would actually be helpful---but you might be disappointed if you expect official help here.

[Urazz]

Noelemahc wrote...

I did all that except for siding with Raan over Gerrel in their argument. Will re-do that too when I replay Rannoch today, see if it helps.

What I don't understand is why Shepard doesn't deserve an option to TRY talking the warmonger down, a middle left gray one.

Did you initially side with the Geth?  You gotta pick a side first and to my knowledge you gotta side with the Geth.  Tali tries to tell the Quarian fleet to stop but they dont listen and so you get the choice again.  You should then see the standard choices  to side with the Quarians and Geth on the left and the colored Paragon and Renegade choices on the left.  If they aren't there then you probably did something wrong or if they are grayed out then you don't have enough paragon and/or renegade.

[Noelemahc]

Yes, Urazz, I did. See the OP, I first foolishly went down the "let Legion upload fully" line and cried my eyes out over Tali's death.

In the meantime, I've replayed the whole planet, siding with Gerrel in his argument and not punching him either. No dice. Guess I'll have to do this some other time with some other Shepard after ME3 has gotten a patch or five.

[Kitty Fae]

i see the problem here. When you made the decision to let Legion upload, did you see a paragon or renegade conversation choice on the left (upper/lower left) of the conversation wheel? If not, then you did everything right, you just simply did not have enough paragon/renegade points.

When you "Let Legion Upload Fully", you're actually doing the non peace ending. It's not a decision choice you made before, but at that moment. There are 4 choices available at that particular point, -Legion Upload, Tell Legion to stop, rally the quarian fleet, and some renegade one that i can't remember atm.

In case you haven't noticed so far, for major decisions, if it's not red or blue words, dont click it. Not unless you want a bad ending.

[jahaa]

Kitty Fae wrote...

There are 4 choices available at that particular point, -Legion Upload, Tell Legion to stop, rally the quarian fleet, and some renegade one that i can't remember atm.

The renegade option is "warn the fleet".
I got the peace using that dialogue.

[Noelemahc]

Kitty Fae, I know all that. I also mentioned that I edited the save to give myself oodles of Paragon points just to check and that the in-game meter was maxed-out, approximately 3/5th Para and 2/5th Rene. If you would be so kind as to open your save from Rannoch to tell me how many points you had, I would be very grateful.

Do only actual Para/Rene points matter? Does it matter that you have specifically more of one amount that a set limit (a-la decisions of ME1), more of one amount than the other (a-la decisions of ME2) or lump total sum (as was promised for ME3 and which I am not currently experiencing at all)?

Modifié par Noelemahc, 21 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[Kitty Fae]

Noelemahc wrote...

Kitty Fae, I know all that. I also mentioned that I edited the save to give myself oodles of Paragon points just to check and that the in-game meter was maxed-out, approximately 3/5th Para and 2/5th Rene. If you would be so kind as to open your save from Rannoch to tell me how many points you had, I would be very grateful.

Do only actual Para/Rene points matter? Does it matter that you have specifically more of one amount that a set limit (a-la decisions of ME1), more of one amount than the other (a-la decisions of ME2) or lump total sum (as was promised for ME3 and which I am not currently experiencing at all)?

Having an edited ME2 save dosen't matter. Having an edited ME3 save does not matter.
My paragon score at that point in ME3 was 400+, my reputation was 800+, in ME2 i had legion and tali loyal in ME2, everyone survived, paragon.

Fact is, actual paragon/renegade points dont matter as much as REPUTATION points. In which case, would you say that your Paragon points were maxed out, filling all of the 5 mini segments of your reputation bar, with the renegade bar being slightly above 3 segments?

From what i can read, your problem is that you do not get a paragon or renegade option during the final scene on rannoch, right? Therefore, i think that you simply did not have enough reputation points to acess the interupts. I doubt it has anything to do with the events of ME2 or 1, since you mostly have the same checked items as i do. The difference seems to be your lesser amount of reputation points.

How do you have only 500ish points anyway? yeesh. Not talking enough to people?

[Noelemahc]

No idea, I did all the sidequests I could up to that point except for the bugged Kasumi one and the wrap-up to Barla Von's because I didn't manage to talk to him before the Citadel attack. Perhaps I didn't overhear enough conversations to get more? No idea. Thanks for the heads up on the amounts though.

EDIT: Nope, 800+ rep points doesn't cut it either. There are definitely more flags than this that it checks. I guess I'll wrap this up, see if any of my other five Shepards get the option, then compare notes, replay ME3 with the Talimancer then.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 21 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[djspectre]

I did the exact same thing as the OP and got the exact same result.

I've also gone back through ME3 and did all the opposite choices, still got the same Choose: Geth or Tali option, nothing else.

I even used a save that had rewrote the heretics and did both the paragon and renegade paths I mentioned above, and still get no option for peace.

Honestly, the fact that so many people are getting inconsistent results yet have done the same actions through 2 games seems to lead me to think the following:

1. there is a choice somewhere else (small or big) in one of the two games that's not being accounted for and seems to be the linchpin for receiving the peace option or not

2. there is a bug of some kind

either way, on top of all of the other major technical bugs (face import, custom keybinds disables planet scanning, multiplayer disconnects/missing weapons) and the generally unpolished state of the story, graphics, sound and score, I'm actually beginning to dislike this game more and more.

[Noelemahc]

Or it might be a combination of both! Groping in the dark is never fun, yeah.

Truth be told, I can't bring myself about to hating this game, the bits that DO work, work wonderfully. It's just that the sheer volume of stuff to track has apparently worn down the development process somehow. The end result is a lot like KotOR2 - it's a great concept, and it's executed in a mostly awesome way until the ending begins, but along the way you see those stubs where more AWESOME was supposed to fit in, but it's not there anymore, or maybe there never was any to begin with. But that's for other threads =)

Edited OP for more details.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 21 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Kitty Fae]

Huh. Oh well. Maybe try it again with 2000 ++ rep?

Modifié par Kitty Fae, 21 mars 2012 - 11:53 .