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[AlanC9]

Again, I wasn't arguing against despair -- only against it being unworkable.

[Sezarious]

Well Bioware, here it comes. Get ready for the media backlash!

[Kidd]

This review sums up my feelings so well in nice words.

I can't imagine how everyone who had no say in writing must feel atm. Imagine working all those late hours for months only to see your game - where everyone agrees you did a 10/10 job - get hated on due to the endings. Ugh =\\

[Ieldra]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
This review sums up my feelings so well in nice words.

I can't imagine how everyone who had no say in writing must feel atm. Imagine working all those late hours for months only to see your game - where everyone agrees you did a 10/10 job - get hated on due to the endings. Ugh =

I think we'd all be much less up in arms if ME3 had been a mediocre game. Move on and that's it. But it is so well written that it manages to get you emotionally invested in everything that's going on.

And now everything....EVERYTHING is gone. Ruined dreams for everyone.  I feel betrayed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 mars 2012 - 12:07 .

[RPGmom28]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

This review sums up my feelings so well in nice words.

I can't imagine how everyone who had no say in writing must feel atm. Imagine working all those late hours for months only to see your game - where everyone agrees you did a 10/10 job - get hated on due to the endings. Ugh =

Yes, one of the biggest tragic aspects of this is that the rest of the game is frickin' amazing. Just amazing. That's why I replay it right until the last 15 minutes and then stop. There are moments in the game that sing. It's like making a beautiful, soaring Christmas tree and topping it with a cinderblock that crushes all of the beauty beneath it. 

[Oldbones2]

ME 3 is driving me back into drinking. Very sad.

On the other hand. Now I'm a LOT more fun a parties.

[RayDequina]

Better than the Globe and Mail review. This guy gets both gaming AND storytelling.

[Robhuzz]

the ending, by which I mean the final five to ten minutes, is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible.

Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns. 

The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it. 

I think it is not physically possible to agree more....

Modifié par Robhuzz, 21 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Barhador wrote...

Simply put and very true.

[Nette]

RayDequina wrote...

Better than the Globe and Mail review. This guy gets both gaming AND storytelling.

Right on!

[Ieldra]

RayDequina wrote...
Better than the Globe and Mail review. This guy gets both gaming AND storytelling.

Haven't read those. Got links? But yes, he gets the storytelling failure. You don't end an epic saga with symbolism completely detached from what has come before and without that "emotional touchstone" he mentions. This is really the main problem and why the ending ruins dreams. What we care for is rendered meaningless, invalid, or destroyed, to be supplanted by new ideas the benefits of which don't affect anything we care for. We're landing in an emotional void.

[XTR3M3]

I would be surprised if Mr. Hudson and his PR staff are not going, "well, THAT wasn't a good idea. What can we do to make this go away and still save face while making a profit?"

My answer.....don't keep spinning this. Take a stand one way or the other BioWare. You owe us at least that much. Tell us "too bad, that is our ending" or tell us "we will release DLC that will give the players more ending choices". either way, we would have closure.

[Ieldra]

XTR3M3 wrote...
I would be surprised if Mr. Hudson and his PR staff are not going, "well, THAT wasn't a good idea. What can we do to make this go away and still save face while making a profit?"

My answer.....don't keep spinning this. Take a stand one way or the other BioWare. You owe us at least that much. Tell us "too bad, that is our ending" or tell us "we will release DLC that will give the players more ending choices". either way, we would have closure.

The newest letter from Ray Muzyka is something I guess. Still a lot of spin in it, but there'll be something. Only a mere "explanation" won't cut it I'm afraid. I don't want a complete overhaul, but there needs to be something substantial changed. Unless our interpretations are all so much off from the writers' intentions that there might as well be different endings after that "explanation".. 

[X_30002000]

Yes, this ending review is done by literary professional, ending like this is inexcusable script writing mistake, I do not understand how bioware editors missed this disaster.

Modifié par X_30002000, 21 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[ragnorok87]

nuff said

[ragnorok87]

this guy reviews mass effect 3 ending perfectly

[I am KROGAN]

I wish everyone on these forums could express their thoughts in such an eloquent way as this reviewer has.

[Ieldra]

ragnorok87 wrote...
this guy reviews mass effect 3 ending perfectly

I knew this already, but thanks for posting it here. The difference is, The CLR reviewer puts his finger on the most important point: why do all these things add up to an ending that is so emotionally unsatisfying that it taints even the memories of the earlier games?  Why do we care so much about the plot holes? Because you know, giant plot holes are nothing new and people have always complained about them, but this giant outcry about the ME3 endings got is unprecedented. It's evidence for a deep common emotional dissatisfaction and a clear sign Bioware failed to convey what they wanted to.

Anyway, the video and the review together give the most complete explanation of the problem. I'm glad they're now in one thread. Also, the video is good for some gallows humor. I love the way he says "This is bullsh*t".  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[wright1978]

Excellent review.

[Random citizen]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...
this guy reviews mass effect 3 ending perfectly

I knew this already, but thanks for posting it here. The difference is, The CLR reviewer puts his finger on the most important point: why do all these things add up to an ending that is so emotionally unsatisfying that it taints even the memories of the earlier games?  Why do we care so much about the plot holes? Because you know, giant plot holes are nothing new and people have always complained about them, but this giant outcry about the ME3 endings got is unprecedented. It's evidence for a deep common emotional dissatisfaction and a clear sign Bioware failed to convey what they wanted to.

Anyway, the video and the review together give the most complete explanation of the problem. I'm glad they're now in one thread. Also, the video is good for some gallows humor. I love the way he says "This is bullsh*t".  

True enough.

[Random citizen]

Its probably already floating around in here but there is a similar review from what appears to be serious fan. www.youtube.com/watch

[Serpicos]

I cannot believe that this is what the authors originally intended I cannot believe that after 2 and 9 tenths of a games of fantastic writing, choices and character development that this is the ending they wanted.

I have to believe that they said they needed X amount of time to finish the end they wanted and the suits told them to finish it in the next 5 minutes or find another job

[Ieldra]

Random citizen wrote...
Its probably already floating around in here but there is a similar review from what appears to be serious fan. www.youtube.com/watch

Oh my, this guy is like Mordin on speed. But thanks. Every bit counts. We haven't won yet until we get an ending that keeps our dreams alive.

[frostajulie]

Storytelling Suicide. *is very sad* Ain't it the truth.

This game got it right on every emotional level throughout the whole thing. Then they pooped on everything in the last 3 minutes. Thats not art, not genius, not good writing. It just sucks is all.

HOLDING THE LINE. A NEW SUBSCRIBER TO FORBES MAGAZINE. I spend my money on my convictions. Forbes got the money I would have used to purchase DLC

[Exodus2000]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

When a lot of these reviews are coming up, talking about just how badly written and conceived the ending is, I can't help but wonder what Hudson/Walters and Co. think.  Do they honestly still think they came up with a great ending?  Are they that arrogant?

This.