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[android654]

Every story is judged on the merits of it's content and chief among them is the story's resolution. There's never been an Oscar for a film with a poor ending, never a Grammy for an album with a weak last track, never a Pulitzer for a book with a bad last chapter. BW undid anything good in ME with the last act of this game.

[Chaoswind]

Having several saves playing as our good selves and as a renegade **** wasting hundreds of hours in several playthroughs only to find that in the end the end result is the same... Yeah is worthless and endings are the LAST you experience, so a epic satisfying ending will get you some fans, and a bad one will destroy the plot universe you worked your ass to create...

In short for a game that was ALL about the ending, a terrible ending kills it, just like a terrible multiplayer would kill any MP based game like CoD.

[JackHallin]

Maybe not the entire series. I can say that I'm dissatisfied with the ending of ME3, but the games were all fantastic and ME3 was AMAZING. Because the series was so great, that's why the "bad ending" hurt so much IMO.

[voteDC]

ashwind wrote...

A novel: Probably

A Game: Definitely no.

I say that it is even more so for a game trilogy where player choice has been one of the defining points.

To render the players choices moot at the end of a journey that has taken some people five years to complete has the effect of making them look back and realising that everything they did was pointless.

A bad ending can sour how people think of not only the third game but the entire trilogy.

Modifié par voteDC, 19 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Vaktathi]

ME3 wrote...

Im Tired of seeing people hating on ME3 Because of its ending.

A game where a large part of its purpose is to wrap up a storyline very much can be decided by its ending. Particularly if the ending is awful and ruins the perspective of the entire franchise.

The problem with the ending isn't that it's "meh" or mediocre, or even that it's bad. It's that it doesn't fit. It's *WRONG*. It feels written for an entirely different game by an entirely different team and handfisted in at the last minute.

It's diametrically opposite of what they've been telling us it is for months. They said it'll be a very conclusive and diverse ending that wraps things up and won't just be a "pick door A/B/C", and it ends up being the exact opposite of all of those things.

So yes, in that regard it reflects very poorly on the work as a whole.

[Aurust]

Man, i really feel bad for you ME fans....

The last Bioware game I
played was DAO ( one of my favorite games of all time)......and with
what was done to DA2, I realized that the franchise was probably dead
thanks to EA's influence ( I did not buy DA2). This led me to hold out
hope for the ME series which was on my list of games/series to play in
the very near future.

Thankfully, ME3 came out before I was able
to start the series, and all the complaints about how much of a let down
the ending was, I was spared what i am sure would've been a huge,
massive, gaping emotional wound, especially knowing how attached I get
to characters in really great RPGs.

Nothing like knowing all of
your efforts were completely in vain. Needless to say, with that in
mind, there is no way in hell im buying any ME game since the actual
gameplay itself doesn't have any particularly notable redeeming
qualities.

An RPG series in which your story has no bearing on
the ultimate ending is most definitely not an RPG series worth playing. I
discuss video games alot with my rather large group of friends who very
very often come to me for advice on what games to buy/play. I will most
definitely tell them NOT to touch this series.

Additionally, if they set this whole thing up as a way to make you pay for DLC and it is discovered to be planned in advance......it
would probably be the most disgusting example of a gaming company
taking advantage of its fans to rip them off in gaming history. ( Quick
note, if they make DLC as a reaction to the outcry and it was NOT
planned in advance but more of an admittance of error, I would give them
credit for listening to their community.)

- The Battlemaster Aurust

[rabidsmurf]

Yes, it does. It's like eating a delicious bowl of soup, you’re nearly finished, and then you look down only to realize there's a roach at the bottom.

[Hell OX77]

for me its the journey, not what happens at the end. i had fun with the game, over all the game is great, i can understand why most people "hated" the ending and most that hate the ending end up making the whole game suck for them. I'm not saying all are like this. but i also love the kids that "hated" the ending and did not even play the game.

[salbi]

The ending has it's wight, specially in a game like Mass Effect and can impact in some way in the overall quality. But I don't think it can decide by itself how good a game i in a big way.
So if i have to give an answer I would say definitely NO.

The most important part of a GAME is the GAMEplay and the GAMEmechanics, and how entertained you are while playing hours after hours; at least to me.

Mass Effect (as other RPG's) is a particular game because it's maybe the most close to a movie a game can get in certain areas (like cinematics and character interaction). But games are not novels, nor movies, if i wanted to see only the story I would play in story mode or let the game play by itself in some way, which is pointless.

And let's face it. Mass Effect story was never great. It was pretty neat taking into account it's the story for a video game. But there's no way stories in video games, at least right now, are in the same league that the better movies or novels. The story is just a welcome addition, more important in some cases than others.
Both Half Life games has crappy endings, but they are among my favorite games (yes, they are not RPGs but a lot of people get engaged with the story).

[Blubbubble]

I enjoyed the whole serie. Made alot of chars all with different choices and its just hurtfull to see it end like this. The serie is not complete. Like running a marathon and quiting right before the finish.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

yes, everything needs an end

[PlasmaCannon]

Most games that are rpg's are about the journey of the hero and the ending resolution at the climax of the game. Otherwise its a game with buildup and a cliffhanger ending. Im one of those that hates cliffhanger endings. You cant build up a character/franchise and totally cut off the ending. That's not even about story telling, its all common sense. Its like frodo dropping the ring in mount doom and the screen goes black halfways through and roll credits.

[suprhomre]

Yes, LOTR would be crap if the ending was as good/bad as ME3. The ending in all kind of fiction is the sum of all the parts during the journey. In gaming it's crucial that it ends well because it's not a movie or book.

[ODST 5723]

An ending can make or break a story.

Modifié par ODST 5723, 19 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[salbi]

rabidsmurf wrote...

Yes, it does. It's like eating a delicious bowl of soup, you’re nearly finished, and then you look down only to realize there's a roach at the bottom.

I respect all your opinions. I'm not saying that what you think about the endings is wrong (I didn't like the endings too), but where all this comparisions between games and food are coming form ?
Games are not food, you cannot get an annalogy using the too. Comparisions don't work that way.

Here i have another one: If us and everything we know and love are are going to die someday why we try to do the best everyday ? 
Yeah it doesn't work this way also.

Nykara wrote...
Oh and I also hate hate hate movies where the main character dies in the end - I always avoid them if I can. Sometimes I see one by accident not being aware of it beforehand - I never watch them more then once.

So yes, the ending matters!

 
I have seen a lot of these movies (including live action and anime) and some of them were great. Everyone likes different things i guess, but I think sad =/= bad.
Never heard of "Grave of the Fireflies" ?

[Kya]

The issue many people have is not with the ending itself, but with the lack of the promised variety and impact of your previous decisions.

Disappointment is the result of unfulfilled expectations.

Much of the disappointment stems from expectations raised by repeated, excited statements from the devs about how freely stories can diverge and how much the outcome can vary based on your choices over the years and over the run of this game now that they don't have to reach a common start point for a sequel.

It was most anticipated game of the year because people were excited about the control they were promised over their stories and endings and because people were curious about all the exciting options they would be given now that the end would NOT HAVE TO BE the same for everyone regardless of their choices.
People are right to feel let down. The ME2 endings had more significant variety based on your in-game choices, and that was not the end of the series.

And the lack of (meaningful) impact of your choices, combined with the expectations deliberately and repeatedly raised makes me think that some of the disappointment is very much justified.

Modifié par Kya, 19 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[Hell OX77]

Aurust wrote...

Man, i really feel bad for you ME fans....

The last Bioware game I played was DAO ( one of my favorite games of all time)......and with  what was done to DA2, I realized that the franchise was probably dead  thanks to EA's influence ( I did not buy DA2). This led me to hold out  hope for the ME series which was on my list of games/series to play in  the very near future.

Thankfully, ME3 came out before I was able  to start the series, and all the complaints about how much of a let down the ending was, I was spared what i am sure would've been a huge,  massive, gaping emotional wound, especially knowing how attached I get  to characters in really great RPGs.

Nothing like knowing all of  your efforts were completely in vain. Needless to say, with that in  mind, there is no way in hell im buying any ME game since the actual  gameplay itself doesn't have any particularly notable redeeming  qualities.

An RPG series in which your story has no bearing on  the ultimate ending is most definitely not an RPG series worth playing. I discuss video games alot with my rather large group of friends who very very often come to me for advice on what games to buy/play. I will most definitely tell them NOT to touch this series.

Additionally, if they set this whole thing up as a way to make you pay for DLC and it is discovered to be planned in advance......it would probably be the most disgusting example of a gaming company  taking advantage of its fans to rip them off in gaming history. ( Quick  note, if they make DLC as a reaction to the outcry and it was NOT  planned in advance but more of an admittance of error, I would give them credit for listening to their community.)

- The Battlemaster Aurust

i'm sorry i had to fix this. 
so you never played the ME games right? and you where going to start with the last game.... that's not flawed at all. dont follow the herd. make your own views on things, this was what i was talking about. most people are scared to try anything new. because of what "their firends say". and i am so tired of hearing that line. kids make your own freaking view. if you say it sucks because of what you heard. you dont even have a right to post anything. everyone has there own views on this. me i like it because  of how i got there. and im sure someone HAS a different view on this, but to jugde a game just for it ending is being a biggest ******, over all the game is still GOOD. and i know i am going to be called a troll for saying this, but i will still stand by it. 
viking out 

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

the game definatly dosent deserve hate because of the ending alone

anyone who has bashed the game with a 0 on metacritc because of the ending and ONLY because of the ending is an idiot. this game is great regardless

[rahf226]

The game itself is great. I loved it, but the endings just seemed weak to me. Like there was no thought put into them. Because no matter what you choose it is basically the same. They should have added some extra scenes to give differences to the endings. Even a storyboard ending like DA would have sufficed.

That said, the game is great a 9/10 in my opinion.The only thing that kept it from a 10 for me was the weird audio issues I had. The audio volume would jump up and down in places. The dynamic settings didn't seem to fix them for me.

Modifié par rahf226, 19 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[Delta_S]

The ending, being the last thing the player sees, can definitely derail an otherwise great game. It definitely left a sour taste in my mouth.

My guess is that BioWare wanted speculation, but the fans wanted closure. That disconnect led to the current situation. It's a lot more comforting than the EA marketing ploy theory.

[Redstar6]

In some cases the writer writes the ending first.

[The Spamming Troll]

well considering ten minutes of ME3 made me not want to play ME1, ME2, or replay ME3, then yes, id say ending can make or break a series.

the ME franchise is broken because of ME3s ending. its quite obvious if you played the ending unless you werent paying attention, or your head already exploded before that point.

[TheMakoMaster]

yes.
i played as a paragon
as it currently stands, i never want to try a renegade playthrough of any game in the series because i know my renegade decision will not change the ultimate, lore breaking ending.

Seeing as how bioware failed to carry though with its slogan "your choices matter" to the very end...fail fail fail! I would argue that this was the crux of mass effect's appeal.

It's like if Madden 2013 turned out to be a rugby match, cause that's an artsy good idea...