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[CaptainZaysh]

So from the spoiler group, and watching YouTubes after the game had launched, I knew what the ending was.  About an hour ago I played it for myself, with my one and only Shepard, the one I've had right from the start.

And, wow.  For me, it was beautiful.  Seeing the culmination of the million steps it took the galaxy to get Shepard in the right place with a handgun just blew me away.  I think the trilogy was a stunning piece of work and that Mass 3, including the controversial ending, was easily the best game in the series.  

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense.  The only problem I see with the narrative is how the crewmembers who were with you in the rush to the Conduit got back to the Normandy (in the event you see that ending).  I wonder if it would have been clearer to have whomever was with you defending the missile launchers to have died holding the line.

I guess what impressed and surprised me the most is how thought-provoking the ending was.  I'm left wondering what galactic society will look like when we make it back out to the stars again.  Anything seems possible, like it did for me right at the beginning of the series, which was an incredibly exciting ending for me personally.  Thank you, BioWare, that was one hell of a ride.

[The Lightspeaker]

I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense.

I've actually explained extensively multiple times why it was an objectively bad ending but the california literary review take on it is perhaps the best summary:

Sloppy execution that reuses art assets reveals that it’s a hurried inclusion. The under thought and over pretentious dialogue does nothing but create bizarre, confusing plot holes. It even commits the same sin The Devil Inside did earlier this year, and has the gall to add an advertisement by the producers at the end of the credits, which is frankly insulting.

Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns.

Source: http://calitreview.com/24673

So forgive me if I'm not going to be as happy about it as you apparently are. I can't just overlook these kinds of issues.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 19 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Joolazoo]

....you are just plain wrong...it is objectively bad...please notice all the plotholes.

[crimsontotem]

Entitled to opinion respect that

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I respectfully disagree, to me its like someone tore the last page out of my book

[Samzo77]

I agree with you, for the most part. While I don't think the ending was as bad as a large number of voices seem to, I didn't think it was Biowares finest moment of writing either.

It was the best game in the series, I agree.

[Zing Freelancer]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

So from the spoiler group, and watching YouTubes after the game had launched, I knew what the ending was.  About an hour ago I played it for myself, with my one and only Shepard, the one I've had right from the start.

And, wow.  For me, it was beautiful.  Seeing the culmination of the million steps it took the galaxy to get Shepard in the right place with a handgun just blew me away.  I think the trilogy was a stunning piece of work and that Mass 3, including the controversial ending, was easily the best game in the series.  

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense.  The only problem I see with the narrative is how the crewmembers who were with you in the rush to the Conduit got back to the Normandy (in the event you see that ending).  I wonder if it would have been clearer to have whomever was with you defending the missile launchers to have died holding the line.

I guess what impressed and surprised me the most is how thought-provoking the ending was.  I'm left wondering what galactic society will look like when we make it back out to the stars again.  Anything seems possible, like it did for me right at the beginning of the series, which was an incredibly exciting ending for me personally.  Thank you, BioWare, that was one hell of a ride.

I am happy to hear you love the ending, I wish I could be more like you, I wish I could love the ending too, but I just can't. No matter how many times I try I just can't and I know I am not the only one, over 90% of the fan base feel the same way I do.

But I am really happy for you, I envy you so much.

[Irishkev]

I respect your opinion but the plot holes too many and just ignores everything you did up they that point

[Relwyn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
I guess what impressed and surprised me the most is how thought-provoking the ending was.  I'm left wondering what galactic society will look like when we make it back out to the stars again.  Anything seems possible, like it did for me right at the beginning of the series, which was an incredibly exciting ending for me personally.  Thank you, BioWare, that was one hell of a ride.

Thought provoking? I wanted to stab something because one moment I was "Wohoo, Harbinger you arse - here I come!" The Next moment I was [INSERT POKERFACE] 

Followed by a "What the hell?" When I saw Anderson and TIM. 

Followed by a "ME3 ending coming with full RGB colourspectrum!" 

Ever read a love letter from you girlfriend only to find out that she's dumping you at the very end of the letter for another woman? That's how I felt at the end of ME3. You'll forgive me if I don't share your sentiment that it was thoughtprovoking or a good ending. 

This ending stands a good chance to go down in history as the greatest fiasco in gaming history.

Samzo77 wrote...

It was the best game in the series, I agree.

 

Depends on what you look at. The scenery in ME3 was better than in either ME2 or ME 1, but the conversationwheel was MUCH better in ME2, and frankly so were the paragon/renegade interrupts that actually came when moral choices were to be made. Not <insert paragon> to shake Wrex' fist like on Tuchanka. The quest tracking was god-awful in ME3, and the various little bugs like getting stuck in the cockpit of the Normandy.

And that's just a small bug, not going even to mention game-ending bugs where your game crashes in the DLC mission after a cutscene. 

To recap: Scenery better, cooler fights etc in ME3, but in return the dialoguewheel leaves much to be desired, 90% of the time you don't have more than 2 options whenever it even pops up. And don't get me started even on crew-interaction, compared to ME2 it's atrocious.

Modifié par Relwyn, 19 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[CaptainZaysh]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I've actually explained extensively multiple times why it was an objectively bad ending but the california literary review take on it is perhaps the best summary:

*snip*

So forgive me if I'm not going to be as happy about it as you apparently are.

Sorry, but those criticisms are almost entirely subjective.  (You can tell by all the adjectives used).  I get that this guy from California didn't like it, but that doesn't make it objectively bad.

The one objective criticism in there seems to be the reuse of art assets, which I have no comment on since I didn't notice it.  Everything else is just the guy saying he didn't like what he got, which is fine, but he's not right just because he writes for a literary website.

[Mad-Hamlet]

If you're happy with what you got, I envy your sense of closure.

[Huskeonkel]

I'm glad some people liked the ending. I wish I did too, but good for you

[ediskrad327]

so the rumors are true it seems

[LK Tien]

Not sure if serious...?

[Cyruge]

lol he's trolling

[GiBBsBoT05]

This is the best resource if you seriously wonder what people's grips are:

[detroitmechworks]

Glad you got the ending you wanted, and came away with a good feeling.

Most of the rest of us didn't. Mind helping the rest of us get the ending we want?

Hold the Line

[Siven80]

Problem with most of the ending, is that your guessing at answers as the game gave none.

The whole ending from when your hit by the beam is so confusing, ridden with plotholes and nonsensical events (how do my teamates on earth get onto the normandy) that i can see no way to logically defend the ending.

Though grats on liking it. Guess someone has to.

[Killer3000ad]

It's nice you like it, too bad various polls show 86-91% of people who finished the game, hate the ending.
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/
http://www.facebook....50639359051633/

[CaptainZaysh]

Serious; not trolling. The fact you have trouble believing that somebody could genuinely like a piece of creative work you disliked says a lot about you.

[Neuthung]

I really do wish I could feel the same way. Sadly, I can't.

[Fame-KIllz]

one more Bioware employee in disguise lol.

Srsly tho, I guess I respect that, although I vehemently disagree.

[0Sion0]

crimsontotem wrote...

Entitled to opinion respect that

What he said.

Personally don't agree with OP, but it's his/her opinion.

[demin8891]

[majormajormmajor]

Notice how all these pro-ending posts use the same language? "Thought-provoking", "memorable", "endless possibility."

Almost as if they had no originality of their own, or were working off a template...