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[Stealthy Cake]

No real ME fan would accept this pathetic , bad written, cheap piece of garbage for an ''ending''. Nuff said.

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Stealthy Cake wrote...

No real ME fan would accept this pathetic , bad written, cheap piece of garbage for an ''ending''. Nuff said.

Idd, and offcourse no matter how much the ones who liked it say you cannot objectivly say it was bad you can. Because there is one scene that cannot be explained with any other reason then A. the ending is not the ending, or B. Its horrifyingly badly written/thaught out and the ending was just rushed. Yeh you know it the end where Shepard takes a breath (that and the teleporting teammembers, and i saw one stupid argument about them beeing able to escape. If you look behind you they both stand at the beginning of the hill till you get hit by the beam so no time to retreat, and also shows rushed ending).

[michael99887766]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

michael99887766 wrote...

If we then accept that consensus, we can say that objectively the endings are bad because they fail to fulfil the conditions of that consensus (no true variation, not what we were promised, to stick with my examples directly above). Yes, really this is still subjective because the consensus is subjective, but it's quasi-objective and we're never going to get true "objective" on this or indeed pretty much anything (hell, if you say "stuff falls downwards", I can say "who are you to say that what you think is down is down?"), dragging it into the argument confuses things.

Look for a second at how convoluted your rationale is, at how much you have to put into place for Game X to meet the definition "Objectively Bad".  Consider that your convoluted rationale is rarely explained or understood, so when you call it "Objectively Bad" the discussion group is unlikely to understand the nature of your criticism.  I can't see how it adds to the discussion.

"I felt the endings were not varied enough" is a perfectly valid criticism inviting a constructive response.  "The ending is objectively bad" only invites the response "no it isn't", and that is a perfectly reasonable response considering you yourself admit that it is not objectively bad.

I'm sorry it's convoluted; the debate about objectivity/subjectivity is a very long-running and complicated one.

No, the ending is not objectively bad because pretty much nothing is truly objective, therefore trying to attain complete objectivity is pointless. Because of the uselessness of objectivity as a general concept, it is often used in microcosm. If we accept certain logical premises we can get objectivity on a small scale - on a large scale, it's a pretty irrelevant notion across the board.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is something more to this than just "I felt it was bad" or "lots of people felt it was bad": it was objectively "bad" according to many storytelling conventions, according to what we were promised by Bioware, and so on. This objectivity does not carry on into a broader scale, but absolutely no objectivity does when applied to anything; therefore objectivity only has value when used in a limited sense.

[CaptainZaysh]

michael99887766 wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is that there is something more to this than just "I felt it was bad" or "lots of people felt it was bad":

Well, I disagree.  But if we can't even agree on what language to use then there really is very little point in discussing it further than that.

[doodiebody]

Frankly, I just couldn't accept the ending because it was just too hard to believe what was going on. The game was science fiction. It stretched the bounds of physics. But it was never high fantasy. And that's exactly what the synthesis ending was. No amount of technology explains a magical beam that Shepard can jump into and somehow alter everybody in the galaxy's DNA instantly to some sort of half man half machine glowing green thing.

Also, no epilogue. Why oh why no epilogue to tell me what happened? Just a screen saying, "Shepard is a legend. Buy our DLC. In order to sell you DLC, we're also putting you back on the normandy as if nothing happened at the end of the game."

Modifié par doodiebody, 19 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Stealthy Cake wrote...

No real ME fan would accept this pathetic , bad written, cheap piece of garbage for an ''ending''. Nuff said.

No true Scotsman would like it either.

[CaptainZaysh]

doodiebody wrote...

Also, no epilogue. Why oh why no epilogue to tell me what happened?  

I liked the lack of Powerpoint at the end.

[deathbykebab]

I too enjoyed the ending, I thought it was satisfying at the time and enjoyed the brilliant cut to black that was my story - but those plot holes - joker escaping, people you had on the ground with you during the final strike can end up on that planet with joker are beginning to grate on me.



this video really opens your eyes and points out the ending's errors. Big frakkin' mistakes by Bioware actually. Maybe they should fix up these little points, make it more consistent.
Also - what happened about Harbinger? An element in both 1 and 2 but there's not much of a confrontation there. True, it feels a little rushed. Let the moment breathe a little.

[doodiebody]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

doodiebody wrote...

Also, no epilogue. Why oh why no epilogue to tell me what happened?  

I liked the lack of Powerpoint at the end.

That's fine for you, but the vast majority of us would have liked it.  DA:O was a good example of a nice epilogue.

[earthonline]

 me too

there are like 16 different endings

which is a lot more than other games offer

and I feel the endings were epic

sure some dont like them

but I do