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[xSTONEYx187x]

I can't even bring myself to play it through again knowing whats waiting for me ..... :'(

But if you liked the ending, fair do's.

[jbauck]

Eh ... at this point, I'm just jealous of people who loved the ending. I really wish ME3 had included some kind of ending that I could love, too.

[detroitmechworks]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Wait a second.  Choices did matter.  I bet the way my Shepard stopped the Reapers is different from the way your Shepard did it.

Galactic society is changed forever post the relay network, but it's not dead.  It's just different.  Instead of the Citadel Council running everything centrally, we'll have smaller pockets.  Local decisions.  Expeditions and exploration rather than zipping between the stars.

And I thought Femshep's little gasp at the end was amazing.  I choose to believe she survived.  :-)

Well, actually the chances are pretty good that 1/3 of the people got the same color explosion you did.

And to Quote George Takei on your second point:  Way to kill the franchise, Bakula.

[DrGuns]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
I bet the way my Shepard stopped the Reapers is different from the way your Shepard did it.

Since I experienced the one single possible ending in all three colors, I will take you on on that bet. I propose a bet of ONE GAZILLION DOLLARS.

I'm gonna be a rich man.

Modifié par DrGuns, 19 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Erethrian]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Serious; not trolling. The fact you have trouble believing that somebody could genuinely like a piece of creative work you disliked says a lot about you.

Okay, just one fact/question:

Bioware gives us scenes in outer space, remarking you (Shepard) have to wear helmet and mag. boots. Why would they miss this in the end? Also, the child is an AI? Why a child? Did Shepard question him? Why not? If there're mass effect shields preventing you to suffocate/get frozen why is not stated anywhere?

The other stuff, its okay, think what you want but this... Well it's objective to me, given the personality of Shepard and the fact that a human cant breathe/survive in outer space. Other than that, glad you liked the endings, I can only believe in a theory that gives them some sense (The indoctrination theory), and can only wait for a continuation DLC. If the theory isn't true, then the ending makes no sense to me (none of the current ones).

That said.


Regards,

Erethrian

[AzaZeLgaming]

nikola8 wrote...

The OP is right- the complaints against the ending are as subjective as the reasons to like it.

You sir, are wrong. Clear contradictions against the already established Lore of ME are not a matter of subjective opinions, nor is the fact that earth is spherical, not flat.


Read and learn:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Modifié par AzaZeLgaming, 19 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[SlyTF1]

sargon1986 wrote...

THE OP IS A BIOWARE / EA EMPLOYEE. DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD, IGNORE THESE FUTILE ATTEMPT OF PACIFYING THE RETAKE ME3 ENDING GROUP.

 HOLD THE LINE. 

LOL! You're more paranoid than me!

[huiwang]

Sure, some of that quoted review is subjective, but actually a lot of its statements are pretty factual and, though they may not impact you, impact other people. For instance, it's patently true that the ending reuses a huge amount of resources making it incomplete; it's definitely true that the only really noticeable difference in all the endings in a visual sense are the colors, giving the impression to many players that they're in a 'choose your favorite color' sequence; it's definitely true that this goes against the idea of really divergent endings, which most of the audience had been expecting.

I'd also argue that it's objectively true that the ending IS "removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics". There isn't really much in the ending which relates to specific -things- you've directly become attached to, right? As you yourself said, you're mainly intrigued by what this will mean for the galaxy in the far future.

Obviously no disrespect intended and I hope things stay civil.

Modifié par huiwang, 19 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Joolazoo]

The world is drowning in relativism...shoot me please.

[SuperTeal]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense.

I've actually explained extensively multiple times why it was an objectively bad ending but the california literary review take on it is perhaps the best summary:

Sloppy execution that reuses art assets reveals that it’s a hurried inclusion. The under thought and over pretentious dialogue does nothing but create bizarre, confusing plot holes. It even commits the same sin The Devil Inside did earlier this year, and has the gall to add an advertisement by the producers at the end of the credits, which is frankly insulting.

Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns.

Source: http://calitreview.com/24673

So forgive me if I'm not going to be as happy about it as you apparently are. I can't just overlook these kinds of issues.

Great read Lightspeaker.

And OP:  I have to disagree.  The reason a lot of what we hear on these forums is so passionate is a lot of us avoided spoilers and then experienced the ending for ourselves - and that made it all the worse, because we didn't have our suspension of disbelief buffered by other peoples opinions or statements.  We went in virgins to the idea that the ending could be so bad.

But I must agree with something you said - the whole series is a stunning piece of work.  It's amazing that they were able to craft such a beautiful universe from nothing - but the problem is that they threw away all of the laws of that universe in the last 10 minutes.

[Pelle6666]

Ok, so?
We don't and we are the ones that's trying to make change we want. If you like it, good for you! This debate is obviously not for you.

[saracen16]

AzaZeLgaming wrote...

Read this document and I will guarantee that you will not like the ending after you have been exposed to the Light of Logic.

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

I did and I'm not convinced. I'll be debunking what he said later.

[CaptainZaysh]

SlyTF1 wrote...

I don't see how you can like something that contradicts itself in the same second. The "Star Child" created synthetics to kill organics so that other synthetics wouldn't kill them.

They're not just killing them, though.  They convert them into Reapers, into gods.  Then they reset the galaxy so new forms of organic life can rise.  Without them, many people believe a technological singularity is inevitable.

SlyTF1 wrote...
The mass relays exploded, and if they explode, they destroy the entire system. Yet there was still a random planet the Normany crashed on.

My take was that crashing an asteroid into it is different from what the Crucible did.

[Shallyah]

I'll keep insisting that all opinions must be respected, even those that do not coincide with the majority. Keep it civil and rememeber that in the polls there's an average 8-10% of people who either liked the ending or weren't especially bothered by it. The OP is one of that 8-10% and is his own right to like or dislike what he pleases.

Do not be intolerant, please. It just makes the point you defend look awful.

Modifié par Shallyah, 19 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Big Push]

If you like the ending as is, that's great! You are welcome to your opinion, and I don't think you're necessarily wrong to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean, though, that from a technical, artistic standpoint that ME3 didn't fail as a story: it did.

I've made this comparison before, and I'll make it again: it's like people who enjoyed Battlefield Earth. Serious film critics completely panned the movie, most audiences hated, and it got this kind of reaction because of a series of technical and artistic failures that made it a failure as a film. That doesn't mean that its fans are "wrong" or have bad taste. But it would be ridiculous for those few fans to seriously argue that the movie is any kind of a triumph of film making or whatever else.

[Bronze65]

I literally can't comprehend anyone's thought process that try to explain why the ending was good. Just stop.

[Leafs43]

OP, you're wrong and should feel bad.

[xiaoassassin]

You're in the 1%

[CaptainZaysh]

Big Push wrote...

If you like the ending as is, that's great! You are welcome to your opinion, and I don't think you're necessarily wrong to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean, though, that from a technical, artistic standpoint that ME3 didn't fail as a story: it did.

I've made this comparison before, and I'll make it again: it's like people who enjoyed Battlefield Earth. Serious film critics completely panned the movie, most audiences hated, and it got this kind of reaction because of a series of technical and artistic failures that made it a failure as a film. That doesn't mean that its fans are "wrong" or have bad taste. But it would be ridiculous for those few fans to seriously argue that the movie is any kind of a triumph of film making or whatever else.

But ME3 wasn't panned by the critics.

[Negix]

The problem with the ending is that the ending of a trilogy like Mass Effect isnt supposed to be that open. As I have stated before, this game, whole universe to be specific is typical for high fantasy, not science fiction. Of course, science fiction fans could still enjoy it, but not necessarily as science fiction. Being confronted with an ending thats actually typical for some science fiction genres/authors may very well please the science fiction fans, but not on an intentional basis. You cant change the genre of a story in the last 20 minutes. If bioware wanted scifi, they shouldve made it in the first place and they shouldnt have attatched a scifi ending (a bad one too...) on a high fantasy storyline. That just doesnt work...

[AzaZeLgaming]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

My take was that crashing an asteroid into it is different from what the Crucible did.

Unfortunately you are wrong. It's clearly stated in the ME Wiki: 

"Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.  The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could  produce an explosion of supernova proportions. This proves true when during Arrival, a large asteroid is purposely steered into the Bahak system's Alpha Relay. The resulting impact tears apart the relay, causing an explosion which annihilates the Bahak system and kills its more than 300,000 inhabitants."



It doesn't matter how a Relay gets destroyed, since it WILL produce explosion close to supernova REGARDLESS.

Modifié par AzaZeLgaming, 19 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[nikola8]

SlyTF1 wrote...

I don't see how you can like something that contradicts itself in the same second. The "Star Child" created synthetics to kill organics so that other synthetics wouldn't kill them. The mass relays exploded, and if they explode, they destroy the entire system. Yet there was still a random planet the Normany crashed on.

The Star Child's logic isn't something that is supposed to be understood - Sovereign says that all the way back in ME1.

Mass relays destroy systems when they are destroyed.  The signal from the catalyst to destroy the relays is more of a "controlled self-destruct".  It is is obviously different from "The Arrival" since, in addition to destroying the given relay, it sends out a signal to other relays to also self destruct.  

[CaptainZaysh]

Erethrian wrote...

The other stuff, its okay, think what you want but this... Well it's objective to me, given the personality of Shepard and the fact that a human cant breathe/survive in outer space. Other than that, glad you liked the endings, I can only believe in a theory that gives them some sense (The indoctrination theory), and can only wait for a continuation DLC. If the theory isn't true, then the ending makes no sense to me (none of the current ones).

When was Shep exposed to vacuum?  I thought the ending was all in the Citadel interior?

[Aggressor01]

This one respect your opinion and is happy for you. But it disagrees.

[jmarkows]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

The only problem I see with the narrative is how the crewmembers who were with you in the rush to the Conduit got back to the Normandy (in the event you see that ending).  

You were playing ME1.  ME1 had a fantastic ending.  We're not disputing that.