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[MassFrank]

I would trade places with anyone who liked the ending, in a heartbeat. I wish I could.

[Arppis]

crimsontotem wrote...

Entitled to opinion respect that

This.

[AxholeRose]

trolololllll

[PleaOfInsanity]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

PleaOfInsanity wrote...

Excuse me they converted them into gods? I do not see how the Protheans became gods they were made into empty husk. From my point of view the evidence throughout the series shows that the Reapers "absorbing" other races is turning them into a synthetic husk of their formerself.

Did you see that bit of cut text from ME2?  ("It was lonely.  It called to us.")  One of Legion's comments adds weight to it, too, the idea that people can somehow survive the Reaperification process and have some kind of existence within the machine.


http://social.biowar...index/8188367/5

If material is cut from a source material rather it be a movie or game it can't be considered canon, until otherwise stated by the creators of the material. Now from material not cut from ME2 in the collectors base their is a nice long conversation about how the Protheans aren't even a shell of their former selves. Indivisual thought erased, they had become cybernetic drones of a "beehive" its queen being Harbringer. When brought up it even says their isn't enough Prothean left to save. The collectors while having base DNA of the protheans aren't prothean they are the cybernetic construct of the Reapers.

However say that the dialog your found from ME2 was a species that had been Reaped and left with limited though and possible self awareness. then it would have been for the sole benefit of the Reapers to improve their ability to cull the next circle.

[Kyrick]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

So from the spoiler group, and watching YouTubes after the game had launched, I knew what the ending was.  About an hour ago I played it for myself, with my one and only Shepard, the one I've had right from the start.

And, wow.  For me, it was beautiful.  Seeing the culmination of the million steps it took the galaxy to get Shepard in the right place with a handgun just blew me away.  I think the trilogy was a stunning piece of work and that Mass 3, including the controversial ending, was easily the best game in the series.  

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense.  The only problem I see with the narrative is how the crewmembers who were with you in the rush to the Conduit got back to the Normandy (in the event you see that ending).  I wonder if it would have been clearer to have whomever was with you defending the missile launchers to have died holding the line.

I guess what impressed and surprised me the most is how thought-provoking the ending was.  I'm left wondering what galactic society will look like when we make it back out to the stars again.  Anything seems possible, like it did for me right at the beginning of the series, which was an incredibly exciting ending for me personally.  Thank you, BioWare, that was one hell of a ride.

Ignorance is, apparently, bliss.

[CaptainZaysh]

Kyrick wrote...

Ignorance is, apparently, bliss.

Thanks for your important and impressive contribution, Kyrick.

[CaptainZaysh]

PleaOfInsanity wrote...

Now from material not cut from ME2 in the collectors base their is a nice long conversation about how the Protheans aren't even a shell of their former selves. Indivisual thought erased, they had become cybernetic drones of a "beehive" its queen being Harbringer...

Yeah, but they specifically weren't ascended to Reaperhood.

[Myrmedus]

You've still failed to express why the rest of us shouldn't have an ending we are potentially happy with. Why a videogame advertised as having multiple endings essentially has only one.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 19 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[Genera1Nemesis]

Legion on the nature of the reapers. Just thought some might not have seen this dialogue considering how optional a lot of things are.

[Erethrian]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

The other stuff, its okay, think what you want but this... Well it's objective to me, given the personality of Shepard and the fact that a human cant breathe/survive in outer space. Other than that, glad you liked the endings, I can only believe in a theory that gives them some sense (The indoctrination theory), and can only wait for a continuation DLC. If the theory isn't true, then the ending makes no sense to me (none of the current ones).

When was Shep exposed to vacuum?  I thought the ending was all in the Citadel interior?

When the arms are opened and you're just in front of the crucible and the "3 colours". There's no "blue" effect that indicates you're protected by some kind of shield, and clearly there're no glass walls.

Also, why is the Normandy affected by the energy? Does that mean that every piece of technology is affected by the energy of the crucible and Mass Relays? If the "Destroy" option destroys the geth and all the synthetics, and the kid remarks that you're partly synthetic, why can you survive? And if the Normandy is affected by the energy (as I said) does that mean that every piece of technology is affected by it? So, if that's true, the fleet's destroyed.

Too many questions, unexplained things, and plot holes (teleporting squadmates in my case, even if you say they could leave Earth while I was at the Citadel).

Modifié par Erethrian, 19 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Luc0s wrote...

Nonsense? No, not at all. You're obviously pretty ignorant.

And you're obviously a top bloke with a winning personality.

Luc0s wrote...
So you didn't see those 10 plot-holes that the ending had? Or is it that you just don't mind plot-holes?

Whatver you think, I dare to say that an ending with at least 10 plot-holes is objectively bad.

Like what plot holes?

Luc0s wrote...
Also, BioWare promised us an ending that would give us closure and lots of variety based on our decisions. Thet PROMISED but they didn't deliver. The endings don't have any variety (we get A, B, C and the only difference between those 3 is the color of the explosions) and we don't get closure at all.

I think there was a variety in the endings.  Sure the very last scenes were similar, but Luke was always going to destroy the Death Star.  The way I got there was very different from yours, and the final choice I made - the one with enormous social repercussions - was likely different from yours.

Luc0s wrote...
Really, the endings of ME3 are objectively a horrible mess.

You mean subjectively.  You're allowed not to like them.  Calling somebody ignorant because they don't like them is pretty unpleasant behaviour.

[Annora]

I, too, enjoyed the ending. As did every friend and family member of mine who played the game. There are people out there who aren't stamping their feet like petulant children because they didn't get to raise babies with Tali on Rannoch.

[moonlightwolf]

Trouble is most of the problems with the ending are nothing to do with like or dislike, I'm perfectly happy with Shepherd dying rather than retiring with Liara to make little blue babies that's not the issue. The problem begins when you start to think about the ending and its consequences because once you do it becomes bad for entirely objective reasons. There's a number of very eloquent (and some not so eloquent) articles to be found on the web but heres a quick summary.

1) Plot holes - there's several but just as a taster 'Why's the Normandy running away' Shepherds just gone into the citedel the crew are spread out round london the two that you brought along ran with you toward the conduit so must be dead or severely injured and then suddenly - bam they're on the Normandy running away. That's a sizable hole in the plot right there and no amount of explanation is going to fix it.

2) Inconsistancy - the mass effect series has certain themes running through it two very obvious ones are player choices that are affected by player actions and triumph over impossible odds. Look at the first two games in each game's ending Shepherd  triumphs over impossible odds in ME3 there is no such triumph. Also note paragon and renegade varients of those endings and dialogue wheels right up to the credits, ME3's ending is inconsistant with the features of the mass effect series.

3) Poorly thought out/Devastating consequences - In ME2: arrival DLC Shepherd destroys a mass relay. the supernova it causes wipes out an entire system whatever ending you choose the relays explode, not only trapping millions lightyears from their homeworlds but causing a galaxy wide genocide on a scale far greater than the reapers even managed. This also makes the strange grandfather to boy dialogue at the end of the game inconsistant since Shepherd would be regarded as the villain who killed trillions and sent the galaxy back to the technological dark ages.

theres more but that gives a brief summary I think you will agree that looking at the ending objectively it has some serious flaws.

[Genera1Nemesis]

Shep was just as exposed to vacuum on Citadel as he was at the end of ME 2 in Normandy shuttle bay. Mass Effect fields; they are explained as to how they work though out, and Citadel generated these fields just like anything else based on Reaper tech.

[cachx]

Myrmedus wrote...

You've still failed to express why the rest of us shouldn't have an ending we are potentially happy with. Why a videogame advertised as having multiple endings essentially has only one.

Did he need to?
Why is somebody liking the ending such a threat?

[Arppis]

Myrmedus wrote...

You've still failed to express why the rest of us shouldn't have an ending we are potentially happy with. Why a videogame advertised as having multiple endings essentially has only one.

Well guess what? People have their opinions. If he was satisfied, let him be. He doesn't have to convince you as your opinion can't be turned around no matter what he would say.

[GoblinSapper]

I am glad you feel the way you do and also that you enjoyed the game. I respectfully disagree with your opinion and wish you the best.

[ek5000]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Exactly. And they always said this was the end of Shep's story, not the end of Mass Effect. I can assume this means Mass Effect 4 is coming...unless the idea is dead to them now what with all the hate.

Spot on, the end of Shepard's story, personally I felt there was zero closure, more questions than answers.

My point was, that you are ultimately given 3 choices, which make all the choices you've made up to that point irrelevant in terms of what the outcome of the epic struggle against the Reapers is.

Your decisions shape the journey, but not the actual end - just doesn't seem to fit the ME series in my opinion.

And what comes to leaving the door open for ME4, I'd rather enjoy replaying the 1-3 storyarch than waiting for a game that hasn't been even announced yet. Can't though, the "ending" ruined it for me atleast.

Modifié par ek5000, 19 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[AxholeRose]

Anastassia wrote...

I, too, enjoyed the ending. As did every friend and family member of mine who played the game. There are people out there who aren't stamping their feet like petulant children because they didn't get to raise babies with Tali on Rannoch.

So only gay people enjoyed the ending? <_<

[Genera1Nemesis]

ek5000 wrote...

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Exactly. And they always said this was the end of Shep's story, not the end of Mass Effect. I can assume this means Mass Effect 4 is coming...unless the idea is dead to them now what with all the hate.

Spot on, the end of Shepard's story, personally I felt there was zero closure, more questions than answers.

My point was, that you are untimately given 3 choices, which make all the choices you've made up to that point irrelevant in terms of what the outcome of the epic struggle against the Reapers is.

You're decision shape the journey, but not the actual end - just doesn't seem to fit the ME series in my opinion.

And what comes leaving the door open for ME4, I'd rather enjoy replaying the 1-3 storyarch then waiting for a game that hasn't been even announced yet. Can't though, the "ending" ruined it for me atleast.

I get that. I actually hated the endings when I first got there, to be honest. Then I replayed 2 and 3 (I stupidly lost ME 1 somewhere along the line ) and I found that I enjoyed the prevalent theme knowing what was coming in the end...especially after learning about technological singularity and the ramifications of NOT stopping it.

[Erethrian]

AxholeRose wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

I, too, enjoyed the ending. As did every friend and family member of mine who played the game. There are people out there who aren't stamping their feet like petulant children because they didn't get to raise babies with Tali on Rannoch.

So only gay people enjoyed the ending? <_<

I don't think we should talk like that (both of you, I'm not stamping my feet like petulant children...), whether if someone likes or dislikes the ending. Keep the things civil.  Otherwise BW won't do anything. We're ME fans, and we're a community.

Modifié par Erethrian, 19 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

I would just like one answer from OP.

Why would the ME Relays being destroyed be a good thing or something you loved?

[pablosplinter]

I am happy for you OP, I really am. Unfortunately I did not get an ending which satisfied me in any way. In fact, I found it isulting.

I envy you though, and I am glad you enjoyed it at least.

Modifié par pablosplinter, 19 mars 2012 - 06:00 .