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[Arppis]

Hm, I wish this thread would be closed down. It seems to atract a lot of childish behauvior.

(like mine, ha-ah!)

Modifié par Arppis, 19 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[III_wAR]

Bioware, is that you?

[Ashilana]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense. 

So... you are okay with your options being:

A) Follow the illusive man's plan of "controlling the reapers" which was shown to very clearly be a trap.

Wipe out all free will in the universe by changing all life in the universe into a new form without their consent.

C) Commit genocide.

[Phattee Buttz]

OP, sorry about the barrage of rude comments.

Just one thing: look at all your posts. 100% assumptions and speculation. Some speculation is acceptable, but we don't know what happens to anyone or anything after the beam of light.

[CaptainZaysh]

Erethrian wrote...

When the arms are opened and you're just in front of the crucible and the "3 colours". There's no "blue" effect that indicates you're protected by some kind of shield, and clearly there're no glass walls.

Shields normally only flare blue when under fire.  There was clearly something protecting Shepard during that scene.  It's established that parts of the Citadel that are open to space have an atmosphere (the ward arms).  Discussions like this are why I'm hugely suspicious of the supposed "plot holes".

Erethrian wrote...
Also, why is the Normandy affected by the energy?

I thought the problem was their relay jump failing.

Erethrian wrote...
If the "Destroy" option destroys the geth and all the synthetics, and the kid remarks that you're partly synthetic, why can you survive?

I liked that touch.  If the Catalyst was wrong about that, it might have been wrong about other things, too, like the chance we could stave off the singularity forever.

Erethrian wrote...
 (teleporting squadmates in my case, even if you say they could leave Earth while I was at the Citadel).

Yeah, I agreed with that in my OP.

[Arppis]

Ashilana wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense. 

So... you are okay with your options being:

A) Follow the illusive man's plan of "controlling the reapers" which was shown to very clearly be a trap.

Wipe out all free will in the universe by changing all life in the universe into a new form without their consent.

C) Commit genocide.

This is why it's brilliant, you can make your own interpitations of it.

[slimshedim]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

slimshedim wrote...

Some people obviously either lack the intelligence required to notice plotholes, completely ignore them or fill them with their own imagination. I hope the OP is one of the latter.

Well, statistically speaking my IQ is likely to be higher than yours, random stranger.  If you ever want to have some kind of spelling contest or something to settle it once and for all just let me know.  

I bet your IQ is higher, especially when the statistics say so. Who am I to argue with a random stranger, who's even got statistics backing him up?

You're right, I'm just stupid as hell. I can't even write/type. The reason why you can read this is because I'm drooling all over the keyboard and apparently it happens to hit the right keyes. Must be some kind of...space magic.

[garf]

sargon1986 wrote...

THE OP IS A BIOWARE / EA EMPLOYEE. DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD, IGNORE THESE FUTILE ATTEMPT OF PACIFYING THE RETAKE ME3 ENDING GROUP.

 HOLD THE LINE. 

No need to shout.

If it's an agent provocatuer his or her mission failed. No one has changed their mind. No one has lost their cool and done something Bioware can inflate into some sort of proof that we are 'entitled' or 'irrational' and who knows the OP could be serious.  As Bobby Burns once said "It's a good thing we don't all like the same things. Thin of what a Haggis Shortage there would be."


That said. For any Bioware personal who might be listening in:

While I respect and even envy the posters opinion I do not share it:

Bioware has broken it's not legally binding but very real promises made prior to launch.

They have delivered:
No Closure
No Sense
No Future
and No Choice.

Until this changes I will offer No Silence and No Retreat.

I Will Hold the Line.

[Genera1Nemesis]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

I would just like one answer from OP.

Why would the ME Relays being destroyed be a good thing or something you loved?

Not the OP but I thought it opened the door for the series to go in a wildly different direction from that point on. The galaxy now needs to think for themselves; and if people are as all about choice as they say they are then that is 1000 times better than just using the tech that the Reapers built.

The galaxy is freed of the Reapers in every respect; and while losing the relays looks bad in the short-term; they are certainly not the be-all, end-all of space travel theory and the next story (Mass Effect 4 hopefully) can reflect that freedom.

[Persephone]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Notice how all these pro-ending posts use the same language? "Thought-provoking", "memorable", "endless possibility."

Almost as if they had no originality of their own, or were working off a template...

And the contra-endings people are sooooooooo original?

Well, I guess comparing this "betrayal" to the effin' HOLOCAUST sure makes you whiners "special".

Modifié par Persephone, 19 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Wildhide]

Anastassia wrote...

I, too, enjoyed the ending. As did every friend and family member of mine who played the game. There are people out there who aren't stamping their feet like petulant children because they didn't get to raise babies with Tali on Rannoch.

Those who liked the ending should no more be name calling and insulting than those who don't shouldn't.  Keep it respectful, and do research... most people don't care if the ending is happy, they care that the ending makes little sense and seems wholy out of place in the series.

And I ask this every time someone makes a comment about happy endings... why do you hate them?  Why the vitrol against a good ending?  Personally, I like happy endings, I like to put down a story and feel good.  I like sad and bittersweet, too.  They all have their place and can be equally good.

Neither is more cliche than the other, I run into dark and dour endings more than I do happy ones.  Bittersweet partial victories are the most common ending I've seen.

And considering Mass Effect 3 promised multiple endings (As quoted many times on this forum) and that choices would matter, part of the issue I have is a lack of variety of endings.  Have a sad one, have a happy one, have a few middle ground, and have just one big you lose ending.

Then it's what was promised AND people can decide if they want to walk away happy, sad, or somewhere in the middle to get their satisfaction.

[CaptainZaysh]

slimshedim wrote...

I bet your IQ is higher, especially when the statistics say so. Who am I to argue with a random stranger, who's even got statistics backing him up?

You're right, I'm just stupid as hell. I can't even write/type. The reason why you can read this is because I'm drooling all over the keyboard and apparently it happens to hit the right keyes. Must be some kind of...space magic.

It's "keys", not "keyes".  I'm starting to feel more and more confident about our spelling contest.

[garf]

slimshedim wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

slimshedim wrote...

Some people obviously either lack the intelligence required to notice plotholes, completely ignore them or fill them with their own imagination. I hope the OP is one of the latter.

Well, statistically speaking my IQ is likely to be higher than yours, random stranger.  If you ever want to have some kind of spelling contest or something to settle it once and for all just let me know.  

I bet your IQ is higher, especially when the statistics say so. Who am I to argue with a random stranger, who's even got statistics backing him up?

You're right, I'm just stupid as hell. I can't even write/type. The reason why you can read this is because I'm drooling all over the keyboard and apparently it happens to hit the right keyes. Must be some kind of...space magic.

Please. There's no need to be uncivil just because you disagree with an opinion. I hope you're not part of the Hold the Line movment.  If you are remember to

Stay Strong, Stay CIVIL, Stay on message.

[Genera1Nemesis]

[quote]garf wrote...

[quote]sargon1986 wrote...

THE OP IS A BIOWARE / EA EMPLOYEE. DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD, IGNORE THESE FUTILE ATTEMPT OF PACIFYING THE RETAKE ME3 ENDING GROUP.

 HOLD THE LINE. [/quote]

Yeah, and lizard people run the government. What an ignorant statement based on drivel and one sided opinion.

[Deithmarez]

Either he/she was paid or this is indeed a Bioware emissary. Vote the thread down to one star and bury it.

[deathscythe517]

Arppis wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

When it comes to the criticisms, I'm really not seeing them myself.  I can see why lots of people wouldn't like them, but the idea that they are objectively bad is nonsense. 

So... you are okay with your options being:

A) Follow the illusive man's plan of "controlling the reapers" which was shown to very clearly be a trap.

Wipe out all free will in the universe by changing all life in the universe into a new form without their consent.

C) Commit genocide.

This is why it's brilliant, you can make your own interpitations of it.

Stop using words like 'brilliant', 'thought provoking', and 'epic' to describe an ending that is missing very important details to make sense of just what the hell is going on, butchers the character of not only the protagonist but many others without so much as an explanation, and ultimately is the same damn thing across all six variations of the ending.

Not sixteen. Six. They should have never promised sixteen unless they meant text epilogues. Bioware failed to deliver on the promises made before release, they failed as a business, Bioware failed to remain consistent with the lore and themes of the universe while simultaneously ripping off another game without understanding the point of said ending - it worked in that universe because it was the theme but it comes out of left field here, and thus failed as story tellers.

You accept the ending, we get that, that doesn't make it amazing, people like My Little Pony but others (like me) don't give a crap. Quit trying to make your opinion more than an opinion by claiming something is what it is not.

Modifié par deathscythe517, 19 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

I would just like one answer from OP.

Why would the ME Relays being destroyed be a good thing or something you loved?

Not the OP but I thought it opened the door for the series to go in a wildly different direction from that point on. The galaxy now needs to think for themselves; and if people are as all about choice as they say they are then that is 1000 times better than just using the tech that the Reapers built.

The galaxy is freed of the Reapers in every respect; and while losing the relays looks bad in the short-term; they are certainly not the be-all, end-all of space travel theory and the next story (Mass Effect 4 hopefully) can reflect that freedom.

Yep, this.

[The Night Mammoth]

Persephone wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

Notice how all these pro-ending posts use the same language? "Thought-provoking", "memorable", "endless possibility."

Almost as if they had no originality of their own, or were working off a template...

And the contra-endings people are sooooooooo original?

Well, I guess comparing this "betrayal" to the effin' HOLOCAUST sure makes you whiners "special".

Of course not. But there's only so many times you can state the same thing before becomes widely known. 

[CaptainZaysh]

Deithmarez wrote...

Either he/she was paid or this is indeed a Bioware emissary. Vote the thread down to one star and bury it.

Stay classy.

[JPR1964]

Persephone wrote...

Well, I guess comparing this "betrayal" to the effin' HOLOCAUST sure makes you whiners "special".

Thanks for the insult...

You feel special too now?



JPR out!

[Cyberarmy]

Do not feed the Vorcha please!

[sadako]

I agree with OP, it's brilliant how they saved money by changing the colours of the explosions and labelling it multiple endings. Simply brilliant! You guys underestimate the financial acumen and intelligence that is bioware.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

I would just like one answer from OP.

Why would the ME Relays being destroyed be a good thing or something you loved?

Not the OP but I thought it opened the door for the series to go in a wildly different direction from that point on. The galaxy now needs to think for themselves; and if people are as all about choice as they say they are then that is 1000 times better than just using the tech that the Reapers built.

The galaxy is freed of the Reapers in every respect; and while losing the relays looks bad in the short-term; they are certainly not the be-all, end-all of space travel theory and the next story (Mass Effect 4 hopefully) can reflect that freedom.

I'll disagree because MER's were FTL travel, it was only that that allowed the Alliance to get out of the Sol system if I'm understanding the lore correctly.

The story of "ME4" and rebuilding or 50K years into the future....I dont know... I just disagree that it was a good thing.

I could explain more once I gather my thoughts....just recently finished

[CaptainZaysh]

sadako wrote...

I agree with OP, it's brilliant how they saved money by changing the colours of the explosions and labelling it multiple endings. Simply brilliant! You guys underestimate the financial acumen and intelligence that is bioware.

So...you're basically angry there wasn't more CGI?

[deathscythe517]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Genera1Nemesis wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

I would just like one answer from OP.

Why would the ME Relays being destroyed be a good thing or something you loved?

Not the OP but I thought it opened the door for the series to go in a wildly different direction from that point on. The galaxy now needs to think for themselves; and if people are as all about choice as they say they are then that is 1000 times better than just using the tech that the Reapers built.

The galaxy is freed of the Reapers in every respect; and while losing the relays looks bad in the short-term; they are certainly not the be-all, end-all of space travel theory and the next story (Mass Effect 4 hopefully) can reflect that freedom.

Yep, this.

So you want the Mass Effect universe to abandon mass effect technology...

Shall Star Wars suddenly destroy the Force to take it into a 'new direction'? Mass Effect already took one huge direction shift from one to two and that polarized people, but completely jumping the shark with the story and hiding behind the excuse 'well they're trying something new' is just asinine.

Shall we have i, Robot without robots?
Or Superman without anything that makes him super?
Or I know, let's have Jurassic Park without dinosaurs, that works so well, after all it's a new direction!