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[koshiee]

seriously though, at least finish Hawk's story. A comic book, a novel, something !!!

[Super_Cat]

Cancelled expansions are just the way it goes now huh. I think DAII itself was just a reworked DA:O expansion called Exodus.

[robotnist]

at least stand behind your work. if theres a loud minority, no matter how large that minority is, stand behind DA2. finish the X-pack and move on. i play DA2 as much as i play DAO. i love both games even though DAO is a more superior rules set RPG, DA2 is a great character driven RPG. apples oranges to me. not apples and maggots like the world like to bark about...

i think theres a bad undercurrent of negativity that is stemming from the puritanical wing of religious driven folks who are damning bioware for their open minded development. i know theres a large group of americans who like to judge those who dont follow the their rulebook, and if thats where this BS is stemming from, games not being made etc, that makes it even worse.

i would love to know how this decision was made and what facts it was based on, especially if it was something partially finished already... i'll never stop crying over spilt DA2...

[GuiltySource]

I am disappoint.

[caradoc2000]

Well, the Exalted March is almost over anyway. Soon it would have to be called Exalted April.

[GuiltySource]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Well, the Exalted March is almost over anyway. Soon it would have to be called Exalted April.

Ba dum tish.

[wayhell]

Not too put too fine a point on it that sucks . So many thread lines up in the air now it seems never to be resolved . But it dose make me glad I gave me3 a miss .

[OdanUrr]

At the very least the name of the DLC showed promise. Ah, well.

[Plaintiff]

I'm disappointed, but more so by the pathetic excuse. Why even tell us about an expansion that they're not making? It's kind of like telling someone about a cancelled surprise party. It serves no purpose except to be needlessly disappointing.

[OdanUrr]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm disappointed, but more so by the pathetic excuse. Why even tell us about an expansion that they're not making? It's kind of like telling someone about a cancelled surprise party. It serves no purpose except to be needlessly disappointing.

To be honest, I was kind of expecting this considering the delay. DA2 has lost its last shot at redemption.

[Wulfram]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm disappointed, but more so by the pathetic excuse. Why even tell us about an expansion that they're not making? It's kind of like telling someone about a cancelled surprise party. It serves no purpose except to be needlessly disappointing.

Because they'd already gone around wearing "Exalted March" t shirts.

[LeBurns]

Monica83 wrote...

I just want to see another dragon age game... dragon age 2 was so disappointing.... A dragon age 2 expansion?

Not interested at all..

A new game... maybe if is a sort of Dragon age Origins 2 and if i can play it whitout an origin account...

I think this in a nut-shell sealed it.  If BioWarEA thought for a minute they could make money off a full blown expansion, they would slap one together and sell it. But I think that BioWarEA has finally realized that even with their minimum input and investment they couldn't pull it off and make money as fans are just too well aware of thier methods now.

A DAO2 I would pay gladly for, but I do not think for a second that BioWarEA would invest into a single game what would be needed to make it a success.  And by success I don't mean a success to their pocket books, but a success to the fans that they care so much about.

Sorry but if DA3 is still full of Super Flying Space Ninja's Monkey's then I won't be interested in that either no matter what they do with it.  They already catered to the CoD crowd and they have come and gone.  I'm not sure who else they will be trying to make the DA games for at this point.

Modifié par LeBurns, 20 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Plaintiff]

LeBurns wrote...
I'm not sure who else they will be trying to make the DA games for at this point.

Me, for starters.

[LeBurns]

Plaintiff wrote...

LeBurns wrote...
I'm not sure who else they will be trying to make the DA games for at this point.

Me, for starters.

No doubt someone will, but then I could sell s**t on E-Bay and someone would buy it.

I believe they lost a good chunk of their original DAO fans with DA2.  And of the new fans that jumped on DA2 many were put off by the waves, maps, ending, etc.

At this point do they go back and try to get the old fans back?  Do they make it flashier and faster and more awesome for the CoD crowd to show interest again (betting on their limited memory retention)?  Or do they go after a new crowd that has money?  Maybe the Angry Birds crowd?

I loved DAO enough to be interested in what they put out, but there will be no pre-orders for me on any BioWarEA game for a long time now.  They have completely lost that kind of trust.

Perception is everything when dealing with clients, and BioWarEA's perception is not very good at the moment.

[KylieDog]

I like Bioware style.

"Hey community, we know we are hated right now over ME3, so here is this really cool thing we had going for DAII, because we know people were not happy with that also and wanted resolutions"

"...oh but we cancelled it".

[jbrand2002uk]

LeBurns wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

LeBurns wrote...
I'm not sure who else they will be trying to make the DA games for at this point.

Me, for starters.

No doubt someone will, but then I could sell s**t on E-Bay and someone would buy it.

I believe they lost a good chunk of their original DAO fans with DA2.  And of the new fans that jumped on DA2 many were put off by the waves, maps, ending, etc.

At this point do they go back and try to get the old fans back?  Do they make it flashier and faster and more awesome for the CoD crowd to show interest again (betting on their limited memory retention)?  Or do they go after a new crowd that has money?  Maybe the Angry Birds crowd?

I loved DAO enough to be interested in what they put out, but there will be no pre-orders for me on any BioWarEA game for a long time now.  They have completely lost that kind of trust.

Perception is everything when dealing with clients, and BioWarEA's perception is not very good at the moment.

You do realise that calling anyone who likes it different to you the "COD Crowd" only gives off the perception that your an Eliteist, As much as i enjoy DAO i actually do prefere DA2's combat style and yet quell suprise I'm not a member of the "COD Crowd".

You really should think before you make baseless derrogtory statements like that as it does no favours for the RPG players as a whole because after all "perception is everything" 

[LeBurns]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

You do realise that calling anyone who likes it different to you the "COD Crowd" only gives off the perception that your an Eliteist, As much as i enjoy DAO i actually do prefere DA2's combat style and yet quell suprise I'm not a member of the "COD Crowd".

You really should think before you make baseless derrogtory statements like that as it does no favours for the RPG players as a whole because after all "perception is everything" 

You, I, everyone will be put into groups our entire lives.  Why, well because no one can list 3 million individual 'views' on any subject anywhere.  You might be an individual to your mother, but to your country, to a large group of gamers, you are part of a group.  Of course not everyone in the 'Group' is going to exactly match the others.

[Sutekh]

LeBurns wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

You do realise that calling anyone who likes it different to you the "COD Crowd" only gives off the perception that your an Eliteist, As much as i enjoy DAO i actually do prefere DA2's combat style and yet quell suprise I'm not a member of the "COD Crowd".

You really should think before you make baseless derrogtory statements like that as it does no favours for the RPG players as a whole because after all "perception is everything" 

You, I, everyone will be put into groups our entire lives.  Why, well because no one can list 3 million individual 'views' on any subject anywhere.  You might be an individual to your mother, but to your country, to a large group of gamers, you are part of a group.  Of course not everyone in the 'Group' is going to exactly match the others.

That's no excuse for the no-so-veiled insult aimed at the people who happen to have a different opinion than yours. There are tons of people who liked DA2 who never touched a FPS game in their live, and never will (and I'm one of them). That "CoD crowd" thing has become an old, old one which only proves the total inability of some to handle the fact that their opinion isn't universal, even among their own crowd.

Not mentioning that narrow-minded view on "CoD players". As the mother of one, I can assure you they're not all trigger happy, screen-yelling little buggers, and that many of them actually like RPGs and play them from time to time.

Bottom line being, putting people in groups when it comes to taste is forgetting that people can like / dislike many things at the same time for many reasons. Opposing the so-called "CoD crowd" to RPGers is like saying people who like classical music can't like death metal (adding the clear connotation that classical music lovers are better than death metal lovers, because they are Not-Like-Us).

You have the absolute right to dislike a game and say it (even though, if memory serves, you haven't actually played it), you just don't need to be insulting and elitist in the process. Besides, really, it's getting old.

As for "who would they make it for", there are people who happen to love the universe and like Bioware's own brand of storytelling. People who want more Thedas, more companions, more plot, the Dragon Age way. And DA2 being far from perfect in the plot department (I'm thinking Act III, especially) doesn't mean anything from now on will have the same flaws. Legacy and MotA have both proved as much, as well as setting things on a better path regarding enemy placement, combat and alternative ways of quest solving (sneaking and puzzle solving).

There is still tremendous potential in the DA franchise, even for an old RPGer such as yours truly.

Modifié par Sutekh, 20 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[LeBurns]

Sutekh wrote...

That's no excuse for the no-so-veiled insult aimed at the people who happen to have a different opinion than yours. There are tons of people who liked DA2 who never touched a FPS game in their live, and never will (and I'm one of them). That "CoD crowd" thing has become an old, old one which only proves the total inability of some to handle the fact that their opinion isn't universal, even among their own crowd.

Not mentioning that narrow-minded view on "CoD players". As the mother of one, I can assure you they're not all trigger happy, screen-yelling little buggers, and that many of them actually like RPGs and play them from time to time.

Bottom line being, putting people in groups when it comes to taste is forgetting that people can like / dislike many things at the same time for many reasons. Opposing the so-called "CoD crowd" to RPGers is like saying people who like classical music can't like death metal (adding the clear connotation that classical music lovers are better than death metal lovers, because they are Not-Like-Us).

You have the absolute right to dislike a game and say it (even though, if memory serves, you haven't actually played it), you just don't need to be insulting and elitist in the process. Besides, really, it's getting old.

As for "who would they make it for", there are people who happen to love the universe and like Bioware's own brand of storytelling. People who want more Thedas, more companions, more plot, the Dragon Age way. And DA2 being far from perfect in the plot department (I'm thinking Act III, especially) doesn't mean anything from now on will have the same flaws. Legacy and MotA have both proved as much, as well as setting things on a better path regarding enemy placement, combat and alternative ways of quest solving (sneaking and puzzle solving).

There is still tremendous potential in the DA franchise, even for an old RPGer such as yours truly.

If you want to feel insulted, I can't cure that.

I myself in an earlier post said I loved DAO and will wait and see what DA3 gives us.  I too love the DA world setting.  I agree there is potential, but to unlock it will take effort and work and ... money.  BioWarEA, as my perception of them is now, will not truly 'invest' in a game anymore.  They will instead, cut paste maps, lead to illogical endings, throw waves of mods at you and call it challenging, or if it's not, tell you to turn up the difficulty.

Seriously I want a great DA3 to be made, I really do.  I do not believe BioWarEA will ever give us one.  But I will, like I said before, wait and see.

Modifié par LeBurns, 20 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[GamerrangerX]

they where about to make a new DA2 DLC?that HORRIBLE!!

[Monica83]

Morroian wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Wait, what? If origin is some kind of spy program does this mean that if you have an Origin account allthough you play a game on a console but is connected to the internet this occurs too?

Its not a spyware program its like Steam and does no more than what Steam does.

Its not like steam try to compare the two EULA

[Sutekh]

LeBurns wrote...

If you want to feel insulted, I can't cure that.

Seriously? When several people (well, two in that case, but it's not the first time the issue has shown its ugly head) tell you that it is insulting, maybe, just maybe, you could just, I don't know, refrain to use that argument and at least try to understand why it is insulting?

Anyway, enough of that. Going nowhere etc...

I myself in an earlier post said I loved DAO and will wait and see what DA3 gives us.  I too love the DA world setting.  I agree there is potential, but to unlock it will take effort and work and ... money.  BioWarEA, as my perception of them is now, will not truly 'invest' in a game anymore.  They will instead, cut paste maps, lead to illogical endings, throw waves of mods at you and call it challenging, or if it's not, tell you to turn up the difficulty.

Seriously I want a great DA3 to be made, I really do.  I do not believe BioWarEA will ever give us one.  But I will, like I said before, wait and see.

Again, the Legacy and MotA DLCs have proved that criticism has been listened to and acted upon.

I have no idea what EA's intentions and modus operandi are, not being a mind-reader nor a little mouse hidden in the power-that-be's office. I don't know Bioware's either, or to what extent the former can influence the latter (although I'm guessing it's a large one). All I know is that logic dictates that a game publisher wants their game to sell, and that proof has been made that cutting content and rushing things is bad for money, and reputation.

On the devs side, I also know that those ones communicate with us and seem to take our criticism and advice into account. That communication part is a rare, rare thing. Try going to the Bethesda forums, or UBI, and witness the deafening silence from the devs over there. That alone gives me hope, and makes me much more forgiving.

[ScotGaymer]

God sakes.

Bioware seem really determined to sink their IPs lately dont they?

Make a mistake with DA2. Let's not fix it.

Make a mistake with ME3. Let's not fix it?

Eugh.

Well dissapointed.

Definately not buying the DA2 DLC now.

EDIT:
Probably also means that I wont be buying DA3 either. At least not right away. Not till I see the general post release reception.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 20 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Plaguemaster]

On the devs side, I also know that those ones communicate with us and seem to take our criticism and advice into account. That communication part is a rare, rare thing. Try going to the Bethesda forums, or UBI, and witness the deafening silence from the devs over there. That alone gives me hope, and makes me much more forgiving.

Note that this silence is a result of customer loyalty. I.e. fanbase is assured that developers most surely will meet their expectations. See video with Bethesda Exec.producer - he said that they screwed up with Fallout 3 ending and fixed it in DLC. He admitted it. Not in lines like some fans were not as satisfied as everyone else, but plainly said - we screwed up with ending.
We got acompletely different situation. Fanbase is disillusioned and no longer associates BioWare with top-producer of RPG genre. And after ME3 debacle people will be VERY sceptical with any upcoming releases. That calls for developers to reassure fanbase about what they are doing and what they are up to. Because that will directly influence pre-orders. And reassures fanbase that their fears are false.

Modifié par Plaguemaster, 20 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[LeBurns]

Sutekh wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

If you want to feel insulted, I can't cure that.

Seriously? When several people (well, two in that case, but it's not the first time the issue has shown its ugly head) tell you that it is insulting, maybe, just maybe, you could just, I don't know, refrain to use that argument and at least try to understand why it is insulting?

Anyway, enough of that. Going nowhere etc...

I myself in an earlier post said I loved DAO and will wait and see what DA3 gives us.  I too love the DA world setting.  I agree there is potential, but to unlock it will take effort and work and ... money.  BioWarEA, as my perception of them is now, will not truly 'invest' in a game anymore.  They will instead, cut paste maps, lead to illogical endings, throw waves of mods at you and call it challenging, or if it's not, tell you to turn up the difficulty.

Seriously I want a great DA3 to be made, I really do.  I do not believe BioWarEA will ever give us one.  But I will, like I said before, wait and see.

Again, the Legacy and MotA DLCs have proved that criticism has been listened to and acted upon.

I have no idea what EA's intentions and modus operandi are, not being a mind-reader nor a little mouse hidden in the power-that-be's office. I don't know Bioware's either, or to what extent the former can influence the latter (although I'm guessing it's a large one). All I know is that logic dictates that a game publisher wants their game to sell, and that proof has been made that cutting content and rushing things is bad for money, and reputation.

On the devs side, I also know that those ones communicate with us and seem to take our criticism and advice into account. That communication part is a rare, rare thing. Try going to the Bethesda forums, or UBI, and witness the deafening silence from the devs over there. That alone gives me hope, and makes me much more forgiving.

Ok, I'm sorry.

BioWarEA intentions should always be to make money.  I understand that.  I accept that.  Some of their current products and methods however leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Will they change, I hope so.  I would love to have a DA3 game that well invested into and gives what most fans want.  Granted I know no game will ever give what all fans want, or even what  I want, but every  game is a give and take and again, I can accept that (up to a point of course).

Strange you mention Bethesda as I've been playing Skyrims since 11/11/11 and love it.  Plus the FREE HD DLC for PC users was great.  The latest patch adding new features, for FREE.  Bethesda doesn't need to change anything in my book.

Modifié par LeBurns, 20 mars 2012 - 04:00 .