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[Mr Tsoni]

There's a contest on right now over at the OXM website to produce a better mass effect ending, and i've been racking my brains for a good hour or so.

So when I think about the writers and what they were trying to do, I do feel tremendously sorry for them. If you went for the conventional, 'ACTIVATE CRUCIBLE > REAPERS DIE>WIN' ending, it will lack that memorable element that the series really needs to finish on. It needs something spectacular, worthy of concluded a hundred hours worth of playtime. And trying to do that, while satisfying previous events, is extremely difficult.

I mean, how often does a truly original idea come along, We had Inception, and We had Donnie Darko. That's two truly original concepts in a decade and even they were inspired from here and there. My point is I understand what Mac Walters and the writers were trying to do, But they didn't do it right. It IS possible to make a memorable ending AND please the fanbase, they just need to really think things through and come up with a better conclusion.

[ENorman94]

Nope...they outright lied about a lot of stuff (the interview with Casey Hudson where he says the ending wont be A, B, or C; the LOSTB style missions for the ME2 squad) so they deserve the backlash. And now they're telling us that the people who didn't like the ending are just a "vocal minority".

[beccathelion]

rofl. wait what? no. they are big boys and girls. they can accept the consequences of fan discontentment.

[BWGungan]

Girlfrakker69 wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

... and I will no longer pre-order BioWare games on faith alone.

But you do realize that today's process of magazines reviewing games is terribly flawed, right?

I always read a review fully, I don't just look at the scores.  In any case, I'm talking about "hey, lets see if there's a giant fan uproar regarding this game on the interwebs a week after launch".  No?  Good.  Yes?  Do I care about this issue?

Modifié par BWGungan, 19 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[meisjoe]

I haven't turned against them. There really isn't anyone else who releases the types of games BioWare does, except maybe CD Projekt... but they only release like one game every 10 years!

[Dhraconus]

I will consider feeling sorry for some of the people at Bioware when they actually own up to their mistake.  If someone(s) can't admit their mistake there is no reason for me to believe that they believe they made a mistake.

[hawat333]

Absolutely. After all, they created a magnificent game, did about three and a half years of work in two and a half, and then, because of the endings, they get so much hate from this boards that... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right.

[Shanook]

I do feel sorry for them. I think we've elevated them to god-like status, which, as much as we'd like them to be, they're not. They're human, just like us, and they are just as capable of making mistakes.

They obviously thought the endings were good. We've told them we think otherwise. Now they can acknowledge they made a mistake and fix it or they can stick with what they've got. Until they make a decision, I'm not passing judgment.

[kjir]

We've taken the approach we deem best for us and best for BioWare-- quite vocally registering our dissatisfaction with the product. The only other option open to us is to take the ending at face value with no other recourse and as a ringing endorsement of the quality of future titles; titles which I myself and probably anyone who agrees with this (only you guys know who you are) will not buy for fear of similar dissatisfaction.

[Chronor]

Nope because the entity of BioWare/EA failed to deliver as promised. We all recognized that hard work was put into this game. However, I refuse to believe that BW/EA as a whole failed to see how the ending was so poor and inconclusive.

They are a business. They delivered a defective product and have yet to address the issue head on. Thus, the business does not deserve any sympathy. It would be different if there was some reciprocal communication and indication of some sort of amends like any other conventional business.

Modifié par Chronor, 19 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[MustacheManatee]

Of course I feel bad for them, but they brought it on themselves. It's not like anyof us ENJOY this. We are all disappointed, including Bioware. Fix the endings! It's the only way everybody gets to win. Even if an ending DLC wasn't planned, it would make sooooo much money for them. I have to believe that EA will ORDER them to make it just for that reason alone. Whether intended or not, ending DLC is coming. Just follow the money. . .

[Dizzig]

I really hope they run in hell for what they done.... But I don't belive in hell so let's put that they are getting what they deserve!
They destroyed my favorite game, they put a friend of mine in real depression and lots of other problems.

[Annora]

BWGungan wrote...

No, it's not ridiculous.  When you grow up with something like a book series or game series, you get attached to stories and characters and they influence your personal growth.  When the author then does a complete reversal of themes, kills of a beloved character in the most contrived way imaginable, and then for good measure, blows up the galaxy, it feels like a betrayal, and it can be emotionally traumatizing. 

There's no catharsis, or grieving period.  It's wham bam thank you mam, and by the way everything that led up to this point was futile.

I was sad when I beat the game. Sad that my Shepard's life was over. It took me an hour to process what happened, and then I slept on it and came to the conclusion the next day that I really enjoyed the ending. My Shepard was never going to live happily ever after, it never works like that. And then I moved on.

I love the games, I love the universe. I spent countless hours reading through the codices, thinking up my own stories, bought all the toys, comics, and books (save that last one, glad I skipped it). I am just as heavily invested in this universe as any of you, but to have it make me physically and emotionally sick for weeks? No, that's not healthy. I don't care how big a fan you are, that is not even remotely healthy.

[Radwar]

If nobody cared, these boards would be dead. The fact that you see so many angry threads is because people do care.

[Terraforming2154]

In a way. I can't help but feel bad for the writers. I respect the people that wrote the game and I think the majority of it was very well written. Also, I did see things in the game that made me feel like they listened to their fans.

I don't want them to feel like everything they wrote was bad, I just feel like the ending definitely needs to be heavily rethought and rewritten to match the tone of the rest of the series.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 19 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[wick3d_turtle]

I don't feel sorry for BioWare at all. We invested countless hours in a trilogy that's so amazing and so captivating, but then they sucker punch us with a crappy ending like that? They screwed up, and the backlash is deserved.

[Reptilian Rob]

I have little sympathy for liers and cheats.

[ziloe]

No.

[BWGungan]

Anastassia wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

No, it's not ridiculous.  When you grow up with something like a book series or game series, you get attached to stories and characters and they influence your personal growth.  When the author then does a complete reversal of themes, kills of a beloved character in the most contrived way imaginable, and then for good measure, blows up the galaxy, it feels like a betrayal, and it can be emotionally traumatizing. 

There's no catharsis, or grieving period.  It's wham bam thank you mam, and by the way everything that led up to this point was futile.

I was sad when I beat the game. Sad that my Shepard's life was over. It took me an hour to process what happened, and then I slept on it and came to the conclusion the next day that I really enjoyed the ending. My Shepard was never going to live happily ever after, it never works like that. And then I moved on.

I love the games, I love the universe. I spent countless hours reading through the codices, thinking up my own stories, bought all the toys, comics, and books (save that last one, glad I skipped it). I am just as heavily invested in this universe as any of you, but to have it make me physically and emotionally sick for weeks? No, that's not healthy. I don't care how big a fan you are, that is not even remotely healthy.

It doen't matter that Shepard dies.  I think a vast majority of people were expecting him to die, but not like a pansy **** being told by Reaper #1 that everything he and his crew went through to defend and unite (or not) the galaxy was completely futile, and he can pick the color for the backdrop of the end of the galactic civilization.

The most damaging part is that the ending doesn't make any sense.  Your loyal squad mates are teleported to the Normandy and run away with Joker.  Then the nail in the coffin is that they kill the IP entirely by destroying the mass relays.  There's no reason to ever play any prequel they release, and any sequels will not have the same setting as the world we cared about.

It's not just a disappointing ending because we don't see Shepard live.  It's a genuinely bad ending from a storytelling point of view, and it's no wonder that literary journals are bashing the endings for it.

Although, technically it has probably been less than a week that most people finished the game, so lets say "days" instead of "weeks" as a compromise. 

I know I spent 2 or 3 days completely depressed and confused after seeing all the endings.  Now I'm just angry, and BioWare has completely lost my faith.  No more pre-orders from me.  I'm waiting for others to get through their new stuff before I give it a chance.

Modifié par BWGungan, 19 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Funker Shepard]

Sure I do, I haven't been a fan of their work for over a decade for nothing. Fortunately modern technology and games as a medium give them the possibility of fixing things this time around, so I hope that in a few months this will've been just a small blip on the radar, we'll have gotten a new ending worthy of the trilogy and everything will be good again.

[Saurd]

It's plainly obvious that the writers shot themselves in the foot, but to say it was an accident and coddle them just empowers them to do it again. We all know it was on purpose.

[Huskeonkel]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard on Mass Effect 3 and now everyone's being mean to them because of the ending.  Could you imagine what it would be like if all of your fans suddenly turned against you?

I think we need to show our emotional support for Bioware.  Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

I feel sorry for the indivduals who worked so hard on the game. They deserved better.

But I don't feel sorry for the corporate entity BioWare/EA. They need to put higher emphasis on quality and allow the game to be finished.

[superduperkoala]

I feel sorry for the people who did not have a say on the game design and how have to face the sh*t storm. Frankly, I don't know how the PR people handle all the hate and disappointment from facebook and twitter yesterday.

[Giltspur]

I do feel sorry for them (even though I disliked the ending).  After all, they worked hard on the game and did a lot of great things that they deserve a lot of credit for.

In a way, this backlash shows that Mass Effect helped push storytelling in a video games to the point to where people expect you to not blow the ending (just as they expect this of movies and novels and tv shows).  In the past, people might have said "Oh well, it's all about the gameplay in a game."  Now, you blow the ending, and it overshadows everything.  It's that important now. 

[MarauderESP]

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