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[BWGungan]

blacqout wrote...

If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video gaming world.

This peurile tirade against the ending seems a pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's blonde hair.

Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its wake.

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea.  Lets alienate our core fanbase that was with us since Baldur's Gate.

[staindgrey]

morrie23 wrote...

They should of seen this response coming. If not, they truly do not understand their fan base.

It's not even a matter of their fanbase. If they didn't see a negative response coming, then they need to reeducate themselves on basic narrative structure and conventional storytelling techniques.

If this were a book or movie and it ended the way it did, it would be just as ridiculous.

[Midarc2nd]

I don't feel sorry for Bioware.
It's a company.

The people who make it up?
Some of them, yes.
Primarily those who believe the dissatisfaction with the ending is a personal attack on them or their work standards.

It isn't an attack, of course, not on the person.
Not even on the entirety of the work either.
After all, would people have been so supportive of and invested in this trilogy if it wasn't for that very high standard of talent displayed throughout?
I doubt it.
It's just that last moment that some of us have been left with.
It just doesn't sit right with everything else.

I doubt there's anything they could do to provoke hate from myself.
I suspect it's the same for many others.
All the could do is disappoint and perhaps begin an erosion of trust that will extend to the percieved worth and desirability of subsequent DLC and further projects.

[BWGungan]

staindgrey wrote...

morrie23 wrote...

They should of seen this response coming. If not, they truly do not understand their fan base.

It's not even a matter of their fanbase. If they didn't see a negative response coming, then they need to reeducate themselves on basic narrative structure and conventional storytelling techniques.

If this were a book or movie and it ended the way it did, it would be just as ridiculous.

Which is why literary journals are also saying the endings were stupid (but much more eloquently).  This ending contains all of the elements of exactly what not to do when ending a story.

Modifié par BWGungan, 19 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Vox Draco]

Hmmm

Sorry? Oh, I don't know.

I mean, if this Ending right now is exactly what a developer team of many dozen and more people considered appropiate to end this epic journey..

Well, no...I cannot feel sorry for them. It would have been easy to give the fans many pleasing endings that suited everyones personal story and playstyles...instead they seemed to have lost contact to Earth and decided to end a space opera like Star Wars (just better) with an End like "2001" (just worse)

There is no need to feel sorry, they are fully rsponsible for themselves...they made a choice, and it seems they made the wrong one...

Maybe they could start a movement? *chuckles* Stop the fans from bashing us!

[nranola]

I feel bad for them, I really do. They poured their hearts and souls into the game and I'm sure that many people recognize that.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that they made a bad move at a very crucial point of the supposed conclusion to the trilogy. They may have felt that the ending they provided was sufficient but it's clear that the majority of the fanbase thinks otherwise. The ****storm was inevitable. You can't expect people to just bend over when they feel like they've been done a disservice.

Modifié par nranola, 19 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[blacqout]

BWGungan wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video gaming world.

This peurile tirade against the ending seems a pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's blonde hair.

Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its wake.

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea.  Lets alienate our core fanbase that was with us since Baldur's Gate.

Obviously, a lot of you old timers are unwilling to evolve with the company. They should leave you by the wayside if you're unwilling to grow with them. BioWare are making new fans with their innovations.

[Forsythia]

No, they intentionally left out important parts of the ending "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!", added some ridiculous 'Starchild' and put in that horrendous endgame screen which was a giant middlefinger to the entire fanbase (Commander Shepard is a legend, buy more DLC!). They deserve everything that is coming to them right now.

Not that haven't enjoyed the other 99% of ME3 (it was awesome), but no developer should end their series with this.

[KroganShields]

No. Why should we show them support if from the begining the lied to us? Before even the god damn game came out?
So much for us being their 'fans'. If that's how they're going to treat us, we'll treat them like a pile of dog crap aswell.

[DieHigh2012]

No, they promised a grand conclusion and managed to make all that time I spent playing the first two games meaningless by screwing up the last 10 minuets.

They came close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

[wryterra]

For everyone except the person who agreed that stonewalling was the way to handle the community. That person gets no sympathy.

[Goroxx]

I need to divide my feelings.

I feel sorry for the ordinary employees of Bioware (excluding Mac & Casey, they're the reason we're in this mess). The coders. The artists. Testers, writers, etc. as they've all have to stand by and watch as the idiocy of a couple of people at the top (and a possible rush job by EA) spark the reaction among fans that it has. They did good work, and very bad decisions on 1% of the project shouldn't invalidate all their efforts. I think we've all been pretty vocal about supporting the workers.

I absolutely do not feel sorry for the company, as a whole they should have known better. This whole episode is a failure of management, not a failure by the workers.

[AshenSugar]

If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that
the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video
gaming world.

Your comment smacks of sensationalism. Runescape, Counterstrike and World of Warcraft all feature far worse communities.. Bioware fans are genteel in comparison.

This peurile tirade against the ending seems a
pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and
voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's
blonde hair.

You can blame groupthink, puberty and 4chan for that, not Bioware fans in general. I actually see a lower rate of junk posts and flaming from this community than any other I have interacted with. The 4chan trolls and childish idiots you refer to are clearly a vocal minority. I assure you that a huge number of Bioware fans are equally appalled by the hate campaigns you refer to.

As for this 'peurile tirade' (your own loaded phraseology) where is it? I see plenty of dislike for the endings, and plenty of debate about the subject - most of it is entirely reasonable and civilised. I suspect that the very fact that some fans are speaking 'heresy' about a product you clearly love has emotionally tainted your perception.

Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy
people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things
comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within
the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its
wake.

Not liking a particular product does not automatically entail a state of poor mental health. I like all the Mass Effect games, including 3. But I personally dislike the ending sequence. Having this opinion does not suddenly turn me into a gibbering sociopath.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 19 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[PandaThing]

I did feel sorry. Then I read 'Lots of speculation for everyone!' somewhere. Now I don't feel sorry anymore.

[Cosmar]

I don't feel sorry for them. They dug their own grave and are busily burying themselves in it.

[GuilleCuba]

They didn't worked hard enough on the ending -___-

[Sinilin_]

No. I see no reason why I should feel sorry for Bioware.

[Sett101]

They are a company. They are not a person, not even an animal. The little guys got paid their wage and are now doing something else. The only people that can be hurt at this point are people who have their pay tied to the game sales all those people have made a mint already. Feel bad for the stock holders-NO, Board-NO, PR people who now get to show they are needed-NO, Fred from the mail room who now has to do overtime getting hate mail to people-YES but he'll get overtime pay so-NO.

[patpatrik]

I feel sorry for this poor creative impotents in Bioware. Really sorry.

[TomY90]

i feel sorry for those who created this amazing series but I do not feel sorry for them for not thinking through the actual ending of the series which granted they rarely meet our expectations but we expect an ending that is bare able for instance Halo 3 did an amazing job by concluding the story but leaving it open for further development.

[Gringo2585]

I feel sorry to an extent. Yes they have given us quality games for years and I loved every single one of them. However, they did chose to end the ME trilogy in the one of the worst possible ways and in that regard I do no feel sorry. Haven't touched my copy of ME in about a week and I feel no desire to with that crap ending...its pointless.

[Aedan276]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard on Mass Effect 3 and now everyone's being mean to them because of the ending.  Could you imagine what it would be like if all of your fans suddenly turned against you?

I think we need to show our emotional support for Bioware.  Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

I've given Bioware a lot of money to "feel sorry for them" over this. That said, vestigal feelings of affection and loyalty have made me feel a twinge of pity. 

Modifié par Aedan276, 19 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Greed1914]

I think of it like pushing someone because you know they can do better.  They were so amazingly close to basically perfection, that it's aggravating to see them drop the ball in the end.  If we come off as harsh or overly critical, it's because we care. 

Pretty much everyone here has acknowledged that 99% of the game was amazing, so it's really just that last bit that we're ragging on.

[Wildhide]

blacqout wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video gaming world.

This peurile tirade against the ending seems a pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's blonde hair.

Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its wake.

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea.  Lets alienate our core fanbase that was with us since Baldur's Gate.

Obviously, a lot of you old timers are unwilling to evolve with the company. They should leave you by the wayside if you're unwilling to grow with them. BioWare are making new fans with their innovations.

Nothing they did was innovative or knew.  They just took random parts from old stories and smashed them together.  Dark, overly philosophical endings have been done many, many, many times.  They are not new, they're actually quite cliche.  The difference is they tend to be done much better, and endings to narratives they actually fit to.

[Corrik Ronis]

No, and this isn't exactly the first time Bioware has earned the ill will of their fans.