no.. i don't feel sorry for them at all.... i don't give a **** how many years they spend making this game.. they make that ending this way and they get what they asked for... totally pissing on all of us "hey thanks for the money, now fu"
Anyone else feel sorry for Bioware?
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#302
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:36
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Actually I feel sorry for anyone or anything that "snatches defeat from the jaws of victory", "shoots themselves in the foot", etc.
They did bring it on themselves [you must know your customers] but you still feel sorry for folks that ruin things when they should have been celebrating their crowning achievement.
They did bring it on themselves [you must know your customers] but you still feel sorry for folks that ruin things when they should have been celebrating their crowning achievement.
#303
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:40
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EDIT: Not worth it.
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#304
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:40
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I feel sorry for the developers not involved in the ending fiasco. Everyone else: No. The "Final Days" documentary shocks me to the core--that the people involved in the endings ACTUALLY thought it was good. They apparently also completely forgot the numerous and consistent promises they made about the endings (pre-release), and they were actually surprised at the backlash.
And then there's the very strong sense that they're writing us off--or at least they did, until things just got worse and sales started to take hits. Then they make extremely vague and meaningless "reassurances" along the lines of "we are listening...but we don't actually have any plans to change the ending at this time. But let's all list our favorite parts of the game! Didn't you love it?"
I mean, it's as if they deliberately went and did the exact opposite of what they continually promised about the endings. "Clear and definitive"? Nope. "All questions answered"? Nope--they just went with the infuriating, moronic "Lots of speculation for everyone!" with very few, vague answers despite introducing a dozen plot holes a minute IN ADDITION to not answering a damn thing about anything else that you did in the series.
And then there's the very strong sense that they're writing us off--or at least they did, until things just got worse and sales started to take hits. Then they make extremely vague and meaningless "reassurances" along the lines of "we are listening...but we don't actually have any plans to change the ending at this time. But let's all list our favorite parts of the game! Didn't you love it?"
I mean, it's as if they deliberately went and did the exact opposite of what they continually promised about the endings. "Clear and definitive"? Nope. "All questions answered"? Nope--they just went with the infuriating, moronic "Lots of speculation for everyone!" with very few, vague answers despite introducing a dozen plot holes a minute IN ADDITION to not answering a damn thing about anything else that you did in the series.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:41
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Choice of the ending was deliberate on their end, just as all the smoke and mirrors about it before the release. I can't feel sorry for them because they gamble didn't pay off quite as well as they hoped.
#306
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:41
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The longer they stall on giving us an answer the less sorry for them I feel. They brought this on themselves.
Someone in that company had to know we'd be upset. Them I feel sorry for, and I hope they're yelling I TOLD YOU SO at everyone else
Someone in that company had to know we'd be upset. Them I feel sorry for, and I hope they're yelling I TOLD YOU SO at everyone else
#307
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:47
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I'm glad this happened and I hope they are suffering. Maybe it'll be enough to wake them up before they decide the screw up DA3 anymore than they already did with DA2
#308
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:49
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TommyServo wrote...
BWGungan wrote...
blacqout wrote...
If i
were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the
Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video
gaming world.
This peurile tirade against the ending seems a
pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and
voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's
blonde hair.
Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy
people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things
comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within
the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its
wake.
Oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea. Lets alienate our core fanbase that was with us since Baldur's Gate.
Speaking as someone who has been playing since BG2 - if the misogynistic, homophobic, entitled screamers are representative of the "core fanbase" (something I'd like to believe is not true), then I don't think they should take you into consideration at all. A lot of the things you fought tooth and nail have enriched the the roleplaying experience and brought in new fans. That's a good thing.
Blanket statements insulting people who dislike the game is no better than when someone does the reverse. Please be civil, if you like the end that is fine, that does not make everyone who doesn't like it somehow anything you have said.
#309
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:50
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I feel empathy for the employees, but I do not feel sympathy for the company. I can tell you as a game developer that every member of the development team was invested in the franchise, and to see negative reaction to something you worked so hard on is incredibly difficult. That being said, holding a company accountable for the products they create is the entire point of a capitalist market.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:52
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TommyServo wrote...
Speaking as someone who has been playing since BG2 - if the misogynistic, homophobic, entitled screamers are representative of the "core fanbase" (something I'd like to believe is not true), then I don't think they should take you into consideration at all. A lot of the things you fought tooth and nail have enriched the the roleplaying experience and brought in new fans. That's a good thing.
lololololol
We're misogynist and homophobic now?
Are you running out of insults, now?
I can do it too, you racist!
#311
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:52
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We, we, we. Not everyone is a selfish, entitled jerk. Some of us actually appreciate BioWare's work.
#312
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:54
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No, they ****ed up for the third time in a row. No pity from me.
#313
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:54
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Paxcorpus wrote...
We, we, we. Not everyone is a selfish, entitled jerk. Some of us actually appreciate BioWare's work.
And its just you, you, you!
#314
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:54
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Wildhide wrote...
Blanket statements insulting people who dislike the game is no better than when someone does the reverse. Please be civil, if you like the end that is fine, that does not make everyone who doesn't like it somehow anything you have said.
Post deleted. It's not the place for it, I agree.
I will say that, when this community is good - it's great. But when it's bad...my god.
I don't like the endings either. I think they're going to expand upon them in an authentic and satisfying way, because it just doesn't make sense as it stands. Life is a lot more pleasant if you can remain optimistic.
The Retake movement is one thing - but some of the "fans" (like the FTC complaint guy, or the holocaust equivocator on the first page, and Dashrunner a couple of posts up) defy explanation.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:54
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majormajormmajor wrote...
Paxcorpus wrote...
We, we, we. Not everyone is a selfish, entitled jerk. Some of us actually appreciate BioWare's work.
And its just you, you, you!
Says the minority.
#316
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:56
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majormajormmajor wrote...
lololololol
We're misogynist and homophobic now?
Are you running out of insults, now?
I can do it too, you racist!
Feel free to look at both quotes in there for context. Either way, I agree that my post was out of line and I deleted it.
#317
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:59
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I feel bad for the guys who had no input on the ending, and who had managed to write an engaging game otherwise only to have this overshadow it.
'Tis not an excuse though.
'Tis not an excuse though.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:02
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This one feels like discussing this is pointless. This one has observed the whole thread, and even made a post on it. It seems that anybody who feels bad for BioWare will be subject to insults and accusations of derailing the thread. This one has concluded that expressing a unique opinion on this thread is pointless, and this one won't be making another attempt. Just keep in mind that if the ending was "BANG! Reapers are all DEAD!!!!! 
" you guys would've called it cheap too. This one recalls how BioWare fans said the ending of Mass Effect 2 was horrible. This one concludes that (many) fans will never be satisfied.
" you guys would've called it cheap too. This one recalls how BioWare fans said the ending of Mass Effect 2 was horrible. This one concludes that (many) fans will never be satisfied.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:03
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I actually do feel a bit sorry for them. Of course I do.
No doubt they worked hard and then this happened. Still, you must point out the mess to the one or ones responsible for it, even if he or she or they worked hard on it. Constructive criticism is the best way to help them fix what went wrong.
No doubt they worked hard and then this happened. Still, you must point out the mess to the one or ones responsible for it, even if he or she or they worked hard on it. Constructive criticism is the best way to help them fix what went wrong.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:03
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TommyServo wrote...
Wildhide wrote...
Blanket statements insulting people who dislike the game is no better than when someone does the reverse. Please be civil, if you like the end that is fine, that does not make everyone who doesn't like it somehow anything you have said.
Post deleted. It's not the place for it, I agree.
I will say that, when this community is good - it's great. But when it's bad...my god.
I don't like the endings either. I think they're going to expand upon them in an authentic and satisfying way, because it just doesn't make sense as it stands. Life is a lot more pleasant if you can remain optimistic.
The Retake movement is one thing - but some of the "fans" (like the FTC complaint guy, or the holocaust equivocator on the first page, and Dashrunner a couple of posts up) defy explanation.
Welcome to the internet, unfortunately. I don't like the endings myself, but the way people just get so insulting is a bit much.
#321
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:05
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No. They made their choices, now they're dealing with the consequences.
#322
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:06
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I do feel bad for them, as I feel pretty damned certain that the few areas that got 1/20th-assed were not done so under their own direction. If they were moderately bad, I could see it as having been their responsibility, but when the places they crapped the bed were crapped as horribly as they were, compared to how absolutely awesome everything else was, it's hard to believe that they went those routes of their own volition.
#323
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:06
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Yes I do. Actually its closer to pity. Come on Bioware you can do better than this we all know you can!
#325
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:07
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Wildhide wrote...
blacqout wrote...
BWGungan wrote...
blacqout wrote...
If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video gaming world.
This peurile tirade against the ending seems a pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's blonde hair.
Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its wake.
Oh yeah, that's a brilliant idea. Lets alienate our core fanbase that was with us since Baldur's Gate.
Obviously, a lot of you old timers are unwilling to evolve with the company. They should leave you by the wayside if you're unwilling to grow with them. BioWare are making new fans with their innovations.
Nothing they did was innovative or knew. They just took random parts from old stories and smashed them together. Dark, overly philosophical endings have been done many, many, many times. They are not new, they're actually quite cliche. The difference is they tend to be done much better, and endings to narratives they actually fit to.
This. Basically it's the Deus Ex ending with a little Matrix-style pseudo-religiosity thrown in. Not original or innovative in the slightest, and left a hell of a lot more questions and plot holes than even the Matrix ending did.
Sorry blacqout, but you're clearly the "puerile" (might want to double check your spelling before you try using big words. Friendly tip) one here for dismissing a massive amount of dedicated fans, and basically calling us stupid for not blindly accepting such a hackneyed, stale, uninspiring ending.
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