BioWare, yes. EA, no. BioWare have steadily gone downhill since EA took them over. The last game they worked on without EA's medling was Mass Effect 2. Even there, you can see EA's influence in DLC and stupid item packs.
Anyone else feel sorry for Bioware?
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#327
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:10
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Not the company. But some of the people who worked hard on this game like programmers, artists, voice actors, writers, etc. They should have been basking in the glow of an achievement, ME 3 is maybe their finest work. Except all that is overshadowed by the stupid decision on a lame ending.
#328
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:11
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No, you never pity those that bring about their own downfall.
#329
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:11
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I feel bad for BioWare that they worked so hard for something and then totally f***ed up the ending because they ran out of time.
To illustrate: You'd feel bad if I made this painting of sheer awesome and then smeared crap all over it because I ran out of paint.
Both stink. Both are examples of poor judgement. Both will not please the audience (a few exceptions, but apparently they appreciate the 'dark' and 'deep' origin of crap.)
To illustrate: You'd feel bad if I made this painting of sheer awesome and then smeared crap all over it because I ran out of paint.
Both stink. Both are examples of poor judgement. Both will not please the audience (a few exceptions, but apparently they appreciate the 'dark' and 'deep' origin of crap.)
#330
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:11
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Just fix the ending, and no one needs to feel bad for anybody.
#331
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:13
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This tread is possesed, everytime i click on the last page number the Title starts shaking, it only happens with this tread.
Call the exorcists!!!!!
Call the exorcists!!!!!
#332
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:15
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98% of Mass Effect 3 was probably the greatest game I ever played. The epic scope, amazing and unbelievable battles, the continual building of characters I have come to love.. it was an amazing gaming experience. But that 2% at the end really hurt it.
#333
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:32
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Bathaius wrote...
Just fix the ending, and no one needs to feel bad for anybody.
In a nutshell.
I think they are going to address it. I just hope that it's free. They will earn back a lot of goodwill if this is the case, and rightfully so.
If it is substantial (thinking actual expansion, 5-10+hours of gameplay added) then I think it's even probably alright to charge for it. But if EA and Bioware were to just eat it and release it for free all the same no matter what (and hell, they can certainly afford to)? That would be amazing, and would receive some well deserved kudos.
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#334
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:37
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The story of Mass Effect 3:
1. Act
Boss: "OK people, nice work thus far. Still 8 weeks until release"
Developer:
"Yes, thanks to those ... erm ... voluntary overtime hours that you ordered, we are right on schedule. Just the ending is missing. The conclusion. But don't you worry, our team has already laid everything out. The explanation of the Reaper origin and their motives. Decisions for renegade and paragon players, a glance at the companion's futures, development of the galactic races and the general player influence upon th..."
Boss:
"Yeah sure. The ending can wait. The most important thing for our customers is that our spywa... erm additional software Origin is properly implemented. Without it the game is totally incomplete."
Developer: "Erm ... of course. 5 weeks will be sufficient for a proper ending ... *thinks* maybe we could put some beds into the office..."
Boss: "And keep heating the office over night? Not a chance. Back to the product. I have thought of an improvement: remove that alien Javik from the game."
Developer: "What? But he is an integral part of the story. We really put some effort in..."
Boss:
"And It will stay that way, but only for cash-co ... erm ... customers that pay for it. I am sick and tired of those scroungers who think they get to experience the full story just because they bought the game. And don't ask about those damn resellers..."
Developer: "But the schedule ... this will take weeks..."
Boss: "Of which you still have 8 left. Get to it! I'm off for brunch"
2. Act
Boss: "Report!"
Developer:
"The changes you ... erm ... suggested are implemented. During the remaining 4 weeks, we will not be able to finalize the planned ending but perhaps..."
Boss: "Don't even dare to ask for a delay.The costs will be substracted from your earnings!"
Developer:
"... maybe the ending has been planned too large from the get-go anyway. If we shorten one or two things, it will suffice."
Boss:
"Good. Something else: you do know my son Lewis? I though it might be nice if he appeared in the game, too. Well, being just 6 years old, he might be too young as a companion for Shepard..."
Developerer: "But.. that.."
Boss: "Got it! We let Shepard chase him in dramatic nightmare cutscenes. I have seen somthing like that on TV once before and it will fit in just fine. Believe me, most players want their Avatar to be a little mentally unstable."
Developer: "...and the ending? We have only 4 weeks left ... new scenes take time..."
Boss: "No backtalk! Get to it!"
3. Act
Boss: "I like it. You really made his blond hair look pretty."
Developer:
"erm ... thanks. Could we now use the remaining 2 weeks for the ending? If we focus on narrating the absolute minimum, leave out a few characters, recycle old cutscenes instead of creating new ones and keep ending sequences similar we could actually make the deadline."
Boss: "Of course."
Developer: "*sigh* We'll get right to it"
Boss:
"One moment. During the last meeting, management has decided they too should bring something to the table since they get most of the money. This opens up the possibility of letting management decide about the ending. I told them the story in short terms, as far as I could remember from the advertising posters: huge machines threaten all life in the galaxy ... yada yada yada. And they came up with a fantastic conclusion ..."
Developer: "*gulp*"
Boss:
"First of all, you forget all about the nonsense being told in previous games. After all, no one in management ever played them. So this is how it goes:...."
4. Act
Will be available as DLC shortly.
1. Act
Boss: "OK people, nice work thus far. Still 8 weeks until release"
Developer:
"Yes, thanks to those ... erm ... voluntary overtime hours that you ordered, we are right on schedule. Just the ending is missing. The conclusion. But don't you worry, our team has already laid everything out. The explanation of the Reaper origin and their motives. Decisions for renegade and paragon players, a glance at the companion's futures, development of the galactic races and the general player influence upon th..."
Boss:
"Yeah sure. The ending can wait. The most important thing for our customers is that our spywa... erm additional software Origin is properly implemented. Without it the game is totally incomplete."
Developer: "Erm ... of course. 5 weeks will be sufficient for a proper ending ... *thinks* maybe we could put some beds into the office..."
Boss: "And keep heating the office over night? Not a chance. Back to the product. I have thought of an improvement: remove that alien Javik from the game."
Developer: "What? But he is an integral part of the story. We really put some effort in..."
Boss:
"And It will stay that way, but only for cash-co ... erm ... customers that pay for it. I am sick and tired of those scroungers who think they get to experience the full story just because they bought the game. And don't ask about those damn resellers..."
Developer: "But the schedule ... this will take weeks..."
Boss: "Of which you still have 8 left. Get to it! I'm off for brunch"
2. Act
Boss: "Report!"
Developer:
"The changes you ... erm ... suggested are implemented. During the remaining 4 weeks, we will not be able to finalize the planned ending but perhaps..."
Boss: "Don't even dare to ask for a delay.The costs will be substracted from your earnings!"
Developer:
"... maybe the ending has been planned too large from the get-go anyway. If we shorten one or two things, it will suffice."
Boss:
"Good. Something else: you do know my son Lewis? I though it might be nice if he appeared in the game, too. Well, being just 6 years old, he might be too young as a companion for Shepard..."
Developerer: "But.. that.."
Boss: "Got it! We let Shepard chase him in dramatic nightmare cutscenes. I have seen somthing like that on TV once before and it will fit in just fine. Believe me, most players want their Avatar to be a little mentally unstable."
Developer: "...and the ending? We have only 4 weeks left ... new scenes take time..."
Boss: "No backtalk! Get to it!"
3. Act
Boss: "I like it. You really made his blond hair look pretty."
Developer:
"erm ... thanks. Could we now use the remaining 2 weeks for the ending? If we focus on narrating the absolute minimum, leave out a few characters, recycle old cutscenes instead of creating new ones and keep ending sequences similar we could actually make the deadline."
Boss: "Of course."
Developer: "*sigh* We'll get right to it"
Boss:
"One moment. During the last meeting, management has decided they too should bring something to the table since they get most of the money. This opens up the possibility of letting management decide about the ending. I told them the story in short terms, as far as I could remember from the advertising posters: huge machines threaten all life in the galaxy ... yada yada yada. And they came up with a fantastic conclusion ..."
Developer: "*gulp*"
Boss:
"First of all, you forget all about the nonsense being told in previous games. After all, no one in management ever played them. So this is how it goes:...."
4. Act
Will be available as DLC shortly.
Modifié par Girlfrakker69, 19 mars 2012 - 08:44 .
#335
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:55
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Girlfrakker69 wrote...
The story of Mass Effect 3:
1. Act
Boss: "OK people, nice work thus far. Still 8 weeks until release"
Developer:
"Yes, thanks to those ... erm ... voluntary overtime hours that you ordered, we are right on schedule. Just the ending is missing. The conclusion. But don't you worry, our team has already laid everything out. The explanation of the Reaper origin and their motives. Decisions for renegade and paragon players, a glance at the companion's futures, development of the galactic races and the general player influence upon th..."
Boss:
"Yeah sure. The ending can wait. The most important thing for our customers is that our spywa... erm additional software Origin is properly implemented. Without it the game is totally incomplete."
Developer: "Erm ... of course. 5 weeks will be sufficient for a proper ending ... *thinks* maybe we could put some beds into the office..."
Boss: "And keep heating the office over night? Not a chance. Back to the product. I have thought of an improvement: remove that alien Javik from the game."
Developer: "What? But he is an integral part of the story. We really put some effort in..."
Boss:
"And It will stay that way, but only for cash-co ... erm ... customers that pay for it. I am sick and tired of those scroungers who think they get to experience the full story just because they bought the game. And don't ask about those damn resellers..."
Developer: "But the schedule ... this will take weeks..."
Boss: "Of which you still have 8 left. Get to it! I'm off for brunch"
2. Act
Boss: "Report!"
Developer:
"The changes you ... erm ... suggested are implemented. During the remaining 4 weeks, we will not be able to finalize the planned ending but perhaps..."
Boss: "Don't even dare to ask for a delay.The costs will be substracted from your earnings!"
Developer:
"... maybe the ending has been planned too large from the get-go anyway. If we shorten one or two things, it will suffice."
Boss:
"Good. Something else: you do know my son Lewis? I though it might be nice if he appeared in the game, too. Well, being just 6 years old, he might be too young as a companion for Shepard..."
Developerer: "But.. that.."
Boss: "Got it! We let Shepard chase him in dramatic nightmare cutscenes. I have seen somthing like that on TV once before and it will fit in just fine. Believe me, most players want their Avatar to be a little mentally unstable."
Developer: "...and the ending? We have only 4 weeks left ... new scenes take time..."
Boss: "No backtalk! Get to it!"
3. Act
Boss: "I like it. You really made his blond hair look pretty."
Developer:
"erm ... thanks. Could we now use the remaining 2 weeks for the ending? If we focus on narrating the absolute minimum, leave out a few characters, recycle old cutscenes instead of creating new ones and keep ending sequences similar we could actually make the deadline."
Boss: "Of course."
Developer: "*sigh* We'll get right to it"
Boss:
"One moment. During the last meeting, management has decided they too should bring something to the table since they get most of the money. This opens up the possibility of letting management decide about the ending. I told them the story in short terms, as far as I could remember from the advertising posters: huge machines threaten all life in the galaxy ... yada yada yada. And they came up with a fantastic conclusion ..."
Developer: "*gulp*"
Boss:
"First of all, you forget all about the nonsense being told in previous games. After all, no one in management ever played them. So this is how it goes:...."
4. Act
Will be available as DLC shortly.
SO funny!
Well, I am pretty sure EA had nothing to do with the ending. They know (or at least should know) that you need to let the professionnals (writers) take care of it.
Please, let the Indoctrination theory be true.
Modifié par Vorodill, 19 mars 2012 - 08:56 .
#336
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:57
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Wow.BearcatPrideEZF wrote...
No. Just as I don't feel sorry for HItler.
Yes I did just compare Mass Effect 3 to the Holocaust.
#337
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 08:59
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No, they brought this upon themselves with the empty promises before release and the lack of answers after release.
#338
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:04
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I feel sorry for the writer of the ending (lead writer of the third game overall). It was a terrible ending. Interviews of the guy (before it was released) make him seem really excited and proud. I think even good writers can have terrible brain farts, so to speak. Bad ideas that seem like good ideas. That's why you need a team of people to oversee things like this.
Somewhere along the line, his team failed him. He's going to be remembered as the guy who wrote an ending so bad it caused actual news agencies to take notice. The blame will be borne by one guy, but really his entire team failed him in his hour of need by not voicing the problems with the script.
Somewhere along the line, his team failed him. He's going to be remembered as the guy who wrote an ending so bad it caused actual news agencies to take notice. The blame will be borne by one guy, but really his entire team failed him in his hour of need by not voicing the problems with the script.
#339
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:05
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No, when you're acting as arrogant as BioWare is doing the past few days, then you deserve to burn in eternal internet flamewars.
#341
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:21
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I do feel a bit sorry for the people involved in making ME3. For the 99+% they got right, they should be having tickertape parades, and still be the toast of the gaming world.
But that one bit is so bad is in essence invalidates all the great stuff they pulled off. :/
I do think it is a shame that BioWare was purchased by EA -- I pooh-poo'd all the panic saying that EA would ruin another great company, but I have to say, the doomsday folk seem to have proven correct.
Artificial deadlines, trying to appeal to too broad a fan-base, instead of sticking to what they were known for and good at.
And apparently no budget for editing.
Edit -- added this:
Their name used to be golden to me -- they could do no wrong, and I would have staked anything to recommend them to anyone.
Then Dragon Age 2, which probably should have set off more alarm bells than it did. And the way they reacted: pretty much the way they are reacting now, pretty much ingoring it.
Now this. Even if they do eventually fix the product, I have zero faith in their ability to deliever the kinds of games that brought me to them in the first place. I definitely will never pre-order anything, and if the endings remain unfixed, no more Bioware or EA products ever again. Yes, including cancelling my SWTOR, which I am enjoying very much.
But that one bit is so bad is in essence invalidates all the great stuff they pulled off. :/
I do think it is a shame that BioWare was purchased by EA -- I pooh-poo'd all the panic saying that EA would ruin another great company, but I have to say, the doomsday folk seem to have proven correct.
Artificial deadlines, trying to appeal to too broad a fan-base, instead of sticking to what they were known for and good at.
And apparently no budget for editing.
Edit -- added this:
Their name used to be golden to me -- they could do no wrong, and I would have staked anything to recommend them to anyone.
Then Dragon Age 2, which probably should have set off more alarm bells than it did. And the way they reacted: pretty much the way they are reacting now, pretty much ingoring it.
Now this. Even if they do eventually fix the product, I have zero faith in their ability to deliever the kinds of games that brought me to them in the first place. I definitely will never pre-order anything, and if the endings remain unfixed, no more Bioware or EA products ever again. Yes, including cancelling my SWTOR, which I am enjoying very much.
Modifié par Beldamon, 19 mars 2012 - 09:25 .
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:22
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If i were BioWare i wouldn't worry about it. It's long been known that the Dragon Age and Mass Effect fandom are among the worst in the video gaming world.
This peurile tirade against the ending seems a pretty logical step up from the pathetic hatemail sent to writers and voice actors and the misogny-fueled outbursts over Female Shepard's blonde hair.
Lucky for BioWare, plenty of mentally healthy people, such as myself, like their products too. If one good things comes from the whole debacle, maybe it'll be the negative element within the community finally moving on, leaving a more pleasant one in its wake.
What is the relationship between being mentally healthy and being unable to comprehend the failings of an ending that is filled with plot holes, logical inconsistencies, and puts forth a message that is morally repugnant and counter to the established themes of the series?
#343
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:23
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I'm sure they're absolutely flooding with tears, but its alright, they have millions of dollars from sales to wipe their tears with.
#344
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:25
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How BioWare as a whole is being treated ? Yes.
#345
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:26
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No. Bioware is a corporation. Casey Hudson rightfully deserves the disappointment and outrage directed at his botched vision of the endings.
I might have sympathy for the Bioware employees as individuals, but I will NOT let up on my criticism of the completely botched horrible ending, because it deserves every ounce of disgust it's receiving, nearly universally.
Nor will I let up on Bioware as a corporation for allowing such an unfinished product to ship; Corporations are not people, Supreme court idiocy aside, and deserve no more sympathy than any other object.
I might have sympathy for the Bioware employees as individuals, but I will NOT let up on my criticism of the completely botched horrible ending, because it deserves every ounce of disgust it's receiving, nearly universally.
Nor will I let up on Bioware as a corporation for allowing such an unfinished product to ship; Corporations are not people, Supreme court idiocy aside, and deserve no more sympathy than any other object.
#346
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:28
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Lemme check.
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Nope, all out of pity. Will contempt do instead? I seem to be sitting on large stockpiles of it.
Will need a shipping address if it does.
EDIT: To clarify, my feelings are directed at the company, not the people working for it - with a few exceptions, of course.
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Nope, all out of pity. Will contempt do instead? I seem to be sitting on large stockpiles of it.
Will need a shipping address if it does.
EDIT: To clarify, my feelings are directed at the company, not the people working for it - with a few exceptions, of course.
Modifié par antagonist99, 19 mars 2012 - 09:30 .
#347
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:32
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NO ! I don't feel sorry for Bioware. They did take my 100 dollars worth of hard earned money to produce a decent game with a messed up ending. They MUST release an alternate ending with a lot more closure and sense of purpose. I DON'T mean a happy ending necessarily. Many fans are OKAY with Shepard dieing but his/her sacrifice should be worth it. With the current set of endings this is not the case. If you wish to support Bioware by creating such cheesy threads then that's your problem. Know that you are MINORITY.
#348
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 09:44
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I feel sorry for everyone that a) had nothing to do with the ending, and everyone that 
tried to stop the current ending from being implemented.
tried to stop the current ending from being implemented.
#349
Posté 20 mars 2012 - 12:11
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They ruined the story and replayability of the best sci fi trilogy ever created...IN 5 MINUTES!
No..."sorry" isn't in my vocabulary for Bioware....
No..."sorry" isn't in my vocabulary for Bioware....
#350
Posté 20 mars 2012 - 12:15
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I kind of feel sorry for them the same way I feel sorry for a kid who broke his neighbour's window is now being chewed out by said neighbour.
The kid made the problem, but probably didn't deserve to be run over hot coals. I don't like it when it happens to me, so I don't like it happening to others. But you reap what you sow basically, if you look to court controversy, don't be surprised when it comes.
The kid made the problem, but probably didn't deserve to be run over hot coals. I don't like it when it happens to me, so I don't like it happening to others. But you reap what you sow basically, if you look to court controversy, don't be surprised when it comes.
