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[dfstone]

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

dfstone wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

Not sorry... but sort of sad. I mean, I've had a blast with all their games. Yeah, including DA2, regardless of everything that was wrong with it. Even ME3 had awesome moments prior to the ending. Things like the toaster refund, Conrad, the reporter finally ducking the punch and Shepard's dancing... those were there for the fans. So I do believe they care, but something went wrong with the ending and that's that. Win some, lose some.

The game-play has definately improved.  Combat is a lot more exciting.  But they pretty much threw in the towel when it comes to making a story. I think thats whats so disappointing to the fans.  There are tons of game companies out there making first person shooters.  What set Bioware apart was their amazing ability to weave story and RPG into it.  Without that all your are left with is an average first-person shooter.

Oh, sure, I am 100% with you regarding the gameplay. I never really pay attention to it, but this game got me thinking that there wasn't enough combat. The story was fantastic, true BW style, until the very last minute. I don't know whether they were trying to be innovative or just ran out of time, but something about it is off. Even if they didn't show it, BioWare's games always gave you enough clues to fill in the holes and consider the game done.  Or had some sort of epilogue that did the trick.

I don't know if you played ME1 and ME2 but Bioware built up a pretty amazing story in both those games.  They both had a flow to them, very little was left to speculation.  You could see the direction they were going and they did a great job taking you there.  Then ME3 loads up and its like they took everything they did in the 2 prior games and threw it in the garbage. 

This whole AI vs Organic thing was never even hinted at in the other 2 games.  Just the Geth.  And they already debunked their own Reaper story line with the Geth v Quarian missions IN THE SAME GAME.  And what happened to the whole Dark Energy storyline they weaved in Mass Effect 2?  That whole plot line just disappeared in ME3 without any reason.  What happened to the Reaper invasion taking centuries?  Its now taking days instead? 

And thats not even going into the ending which has more holes in it then a cork board.  No I'm sorry they had a great game that started off really good and very quickly fell right off the tracks and into a ditch.  There's really no excuse for that, certainly not for a game that has been around for so long and has such an established storyline to it already.

[avatar2396]

Im not sure if sorry would be the right word. Having worked in big dev teams there a lot of people that go into the making of this game and there alot of people that had no say or decision in the ending that they chose to implement. The blame falls squarely on casey and the senior writing staff in my opinion for the reaction.

[mulder1199]

they made their own bed....they produced 2.8 great games....that pulled everybody in and wanted to see an epic ending, whether that was 1. extremely happy, 2. semi-happy, 3. satisfying, 4. what we got which was full of wtfs, or 5. extremely sad.....

we want to see an epic end to an epic trilogy.....not to see ME go down being mentioned with some of the worst endings to sci-fi franshices ever

btw.....very few are being 'mean'.....critical of the end, sure, but most love the product produced up until the last 10 mins...

[MDT1]

I only feel sorry for the people at Bioware that are not responible for the disaster ending but did their job right.

Bioware as a company just feels the consequences of decisions they made themselves at some point.

Edit: And I just can't believe that Bioware woudn't expect something like this. Perheps not the scope, but making an ending that's supposed to confuse people by filling it with contradicitions and breaking established characters is bound to not please everyone.

Modifié par MDT1, 20 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[Xandax]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard on Mass Effect 3 and now everyone's being mean to them because of the ending.  Could you imagine what it would be like if all of your fans suddenly turned against you?

I think we need to show our emotional support for Bioware.  Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

A company not delivering what they say they will - hardly something I can feel sorry for.
A company delivering something which contradicts their own created setting - same as above.

I would perhaps feel more symapthetic towards the PEOPLE working at Bioware if the PR started actually saying something worthwhile and not just trying to dismiss thousands of vocal fans and god knows how many others as 'some passionate' people who just wanted more 'Shepard time'.

And it's not 'suddenly' the fans turned against them. It's a route they themselves started and now continued down on.

So .... well, no.

Bioware can restore some of my 'trust' if they actually did something about this instead of trying to ignore it with 'we are listening' statements.
Although even then I'd forever be taking anything they do with a grain of salt and never again automatically pre-order their games.

Modifié par Xandax, 20 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[Erszebeth]

Well they wanted the ending to be unforgettable with lots of speculation. Those are not bad goals to have for an ending, but if they trump making sense and bringing closure, you have a recipe for disaster. I can't feel sorry for them, knowing full well they were going for that effect.

[tvman099]

Why shouldn't a person be angry if they were promised something and came to find out that they were very deliberately lied to? Even worse is that they've been alternating between silent and cryptic about the whole thing ever since their "lots of speculation lol" ending pissed off just about every fan of theirs who isn't a mindless loyalist. I'd have expected them to either give us the proverbial middle finger by now or issue a public apology/promise to fix things. The silence is the worst move they could make. And trying to distract everyone with this multiplayer brute kill thing over the weekend is just silly.

Modifié par tvman099, 20 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[ElementL09]

Nope, not in the least.

[f1r3storm]

I feel sorry for them because the game is just amazing except maybe for the last few minutes and that's apparently all that's being focused on.

[Russalka]

I don't. This sort of response shows that what they do actually matters to people.

Or well, maybe I do, when people take it to pointless extremes.

[TheShinySword]

I'll echo the same statement that a lot of people are making, I don't feel sorry for bioware as a company, but I do feel for the talented individuals who were not involved with the ending.

[G00N3R7883]

I feel sorry for them on the basis that 15 minutes of bad has completely overshadowed 27 hours <delete and amend with your playing time> of awesome.

I don't feel sorry for them on the basis that they have the power to fix it, if they want to.

[Mister Mida]

No, I don't. BioWare is not unfamiliar with criticism no matter how many would claim there never is or that it's only coming from hipsters. Besides, they're grown ups. They should be able to handle it, unless they're emotionally unstable.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 20 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Alexius]

dfstone wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

dfstone wrote...

AlexiusDAlex wrote...

Not sorry... but sort of sad. I mean, I've had a blast with all their games. Yeah, including DA2, regardless of everything that was wrong with it. Even ME3 had awesome moments prior to the ending. Things like the toaster refund, Conrad, the reporter finally ducking the punch and Shepard's dancing... those were there for the fans. So I do believe they care, but something went wrong with the ending and that's that. Win some, lose some.

The game-play has definately improved.  Combat is a lot more exciting.  But they pretty much threw in the towel when it comes to making a story. I think thats whats so disappointing to the fans.  There are tons of game companies out there making first person shooters.  What set Bioware apart was their amazing ability to weave story and RPG into it.  Without that all your are left with is an average first-person shooter.

Oh, sure, I am 100% with you regarding the gameplay. I never really pay attention to it, but this game got me thinking that there wasn't enough combat. The story was fantastic, true BW style, until the very last minute. I don't know whether they were trying to be innovative or just ran out of time, but something about it is off. Even if they didn't show it, BioWare's games always gave you enough clues to fill in the holes and consider the game done.  Or had some sort of epilogue that did the trick.

I don't know if you played ME1 and ME2 but Bioware built up a pretty amazing story in both those games.  They both had a flow to them, very little was left to speculation.  You could see the direction they were going and they did a great job taking you there.  Then ME3 loads up and its like they took everything they did in the 2 prior games and threw it in the garbage. 

This whole AI vs Organic thing was never even hinted at in the other 2 games.  Just the Geth.  And they already debunked their own Reaper story line with the Geth v Quarian missions IN THE SAME GAME.  And what happened to the whole Dark Energy storyline they weaved in Mass Effect 2?  That whole plot line just disappeared in ME3 without any reason.  What happened to the Reaper invasion taking centuries?  Its now taking days instead? 

And thats not even going into the ending which has more holes in it then a cork board.  No I'm sorry they had a great game that started off really good and very quickly fell right off the tracks and into a ditch.  There's really no excuse for that, certainly not for a game that has been around for so long and has such an established storyline to it already.

I did play the first two games, several times each. I've read about the Dark Energy storyline too. I am not saying that the ME3 plot is 100% bulletproof and perfect, but I'd be more than willing to overlook the change in direction from the first game till here if it weren't for the massive confusion the ending generates. Had it been a true, final ending, then some other plotholes in the storyline wouldn't have surfaced (because they would've been explained).

Anyways, I think this is getting a little off-topic.

[ScooterPie88]

Why would I feel bad for someone who made me feel miserable for a week?  I think you are suffering from Stockholm's Syndrome you're starting to relate to your captors/tormentors.

[Luvinn]

I feel sorry for the fans that were let down by these horrible endings. The ending was the most important part of the trilogy, and they managed to botch it up good. So no, I do not in the slightest feel sorry for them. They earned the negative publicity for what was otherwise a great game.

[yoshibb]

No, they got lazy and complacent and thought that we would be ok with a bunch of copy and paste jobs. If we don't let them know that that isn't ok, things will just continue to get worse.

[Star]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard on Mass Effect 3 and now everyone's being mean to them because of the ending.  Could you imagine what it would be like if all of your fans suddenly turned against you?

I think we need to show our emotional support for Bioware.  Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

I think you're confusing individuals with objects.  I have plenty of compassion for those who worked on the product and gave it their best. I do understand what it's like to do a job or have to support a corporate decision whether or not you agree and I'm certainly not demonizing the employees nor do I really see/hear a lot of others doing that either.

At the same time, I haven't the least bit of sympathy for Bioware as a corporation.  They are selling a discretionary product and marketed it by setting expectations for a conclusive, satisfying ending driven by player choice.   They may not be happy about the feedback they are getting but if they are smart they will remember that producing products that please customers is what supports a positive bottom line.  

Successful artists in any age have understood  this concept.  If you create art to please yourself you can do what you want with it. When you create art for a living it needs to be something that pleases those paying for the product.

Modifié par Star58, 20 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[ramenbito]

The question is do they feel sorry about it?

[Wattoes]

Yes and no.

I feel bad that they pretty much made the best ME to date and its positives are largely ignored by many of the players. Even if they sound happy in PR releases or from developer reviews, its got to bother them.  I recall a bioware guy posting "its been a hard week" or something along those lines.  So its obviously upsetting them.

On the flip side they dont exactly deserve pity. It doesn't take a genius to know the endings were awful. This is something they brought upon themselves.

Modifié par Wattoes, 20 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Heather Cline]

Nope they hyped up the game. They lied to us about the endings, they also lied to us about choices. They removed the dialogue wheel in many places in favoring of streamlining and making it more THEIR Shepard than ours.

Why would I feel sorry for them? They did this to themselves.

[XTR3M3]

I feel sorry for all of the people at BioWare that made all but the ending so epic. The gameplay was VASTLY improved over the previous installments, the graphics were improved, the LI were hotter, the choices were evolved and character development was very good.

The people responsible for the endings need to be fired. How can someone be that out of touch with the whole series? It is so....off.....that I wonder if they didn't pull a "Shoeless Joe Jackson" and throw the game on purpose for some reason. Mr. Hudson wanted an ending to the series that got people talking....I am not sure that he wanted one that got people competing with one another to find a more expressive way to state how bad it was. When "epic fail" isn't strong enough.....wow...just wow.

[Makavein]

Feedback allows improvement. Not only that if Bioware was upset with the feedback they were receiving from this community, you would think they would just remove this board and ignore everyone.