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[abch4]

Daedalus1773 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

BearcatPrideEZF wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

BearcatPrideEZF wrote...

No. Just as I don't feel sorry for HItler.

Yes I did just compare Mass Effect 3 to the Holocaust.

This is completely unacceptable. & I don't care that you're joking.

I was not joking.

From a biblical point of view, all sin are equal.

Not that I'm biblical.

You piece of sh*t. I'd love to smash your face through the computer.

That's exactly what Hitler would do, you know.

the irony

[JamesYHT]

seriously, i don't think they really work hard on the ending...only ending part. (also Tali's face)

they are a company, full of adults, should be responsible for their call or decision.

at last, we paid our money for their work...many people earn their money through their hard work, how about them?

[golyoscsapagy]

lucidfox wrote...

No.

They worked hard to ensure "lots of speculation" and an "unforgettable" ending. And their efforts went horribly right. It's the kind of success that makes you wish you failed.

I don't agree with the first part, but do with the second.
I think they really did put a lot of effort in the ending - meaning they thought about it a lot. I also accept that they was in a seriously bad position - how to resolve the conflict of an enemy you kept saying for 5 years that is unbeatable (and logically it should be if it kept harvesting the milky way for millions of years) and a guy who survives everything for 5 years against all odds.

Probably the whole thing went awry when they tried to disclose the reaper's intentions. It seems to me that they accepted it at a certain point that reapers do this because otherwise the synthetics would inevitably pwn organics. If I wanted to leave a plothole in the story it would have been the reapers intention. It's not really a question that should be answered because people expect something earthshaking and those stuff bound to divide the flock. The reapers inention would've been something good to debate about, it's such an innocent topic.

About killing shepard, well, I don't really care about it personally, however I see that BW took care to make a great and lovable toon, and most of the people feel deprived by this move.

And during all that talking while they wanted to surpass the great unveiling of the reapers intention they tried to give much more impact to the game and try something original. Yeah, problem with this is that people tend not to like originality in entertainment (see crappy movies doing the same thing over and over for 50 years now).

And of course they ran out of time. In retrospect they should have took their chances with someone leaking and do a small survey about the ending, but I can't say I blame them for not doing this or I don't feel sorry for them. The only error they made was that they reached a decision instead of gathering more info. I'm absolutely sure they wanted to give the best of us and they sincerely think this was it.

Sorry for the wall of text but I was in their shoes once (I didn't really fail and it's yet to be seen if they did at all).

Modifié par golyoscsapagy, 19 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[nevar00]

Honestly? I don't feel that the ending was the only bad part about the game. It was fun yes, but still a pile of missed opportunities and disappointments.

- The scanning quests were sort of lame
- I never felt that my decisions really mattered much, ESPECIALLY at the end when I had just spent all game acquiring a fleet that was reduced to a number on the EMS board and never mentioned again, as if this was some sort of table top board game. And that EMS meter meant nothing either.
- They cut corners with stuff like Tali's photoshopped picture and having only one cutaway to two dialogue options in each conversation
- What about space combat? Driving vehicles? Why did all the cool stuff happen in cutscenes?
- And then there's **** like downgrading a living Prothean to DLC, and unmissable bugs like the import glitch

So no, I don't feel bad and the ending wasn't the only bad part of the game. It's too bad as it was a fun game, just disappointing and I feel that with more time, it could've been amazing.

Modifié par nevar00, 19 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[vics20]

No. Why should I feel sorry for them? They got paid, and we got an ending that damn near killed the franchise.

[Lukanp]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

The problem is they remain ignorant about their "mistakes". It's really unfortunate because the whole franchise was a marvel of interactive storytelling, up until the ending. Despite all of their past achievements and a successful run in the games industry, I feel that they were never under more pressure than with sealing Shepards story... and at the defining moment they failed. Noone gets an olympic medal for collapsimg a few meters before the finish line. I haven't been disappointed like this since the Phantom Menace :/

[Girlfrakker69]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

They worked so hard on Mass Effect 3 and now everyone's being mean to them because of the ending.  Could you imagine what it would be like if all of your fans suddenly turned against you?

I think we need to show our emotional support for Bioware.  Even though we didn't like the ending we need to let them know that we still love and care about them and everybody makes mistakes.

Bioware has proven themselves able to deliver kick*** games on multiple occasions and ME3 is - ending sequences aside - no exception. I for one will wait and see how ME3 as a whole (including upcoming DLC) will turn out before I pass final judgement on the matter.

Unfortunately, the proclaimed definitive ending of any given trilogy must and always will be judged primarily by the ending itself. It's the nature of things ... it was clear from the start that we will get three shepard games and it should not be a surprise that gamers and customers have extra high expectations.

Personally, I did not like the ending at all because I feel that I have been let down ... like I played 2,98 brilliant ME games up to the ending sequence in London.

But nevertheless, ME3 is a commercial success and we do not have to show pity towards Bioware. They will draw some serious cash out of ME3 and that's what it boils down to - a business model.

Modifié par Girlfrakker69, 19 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[JELLAQTP]

I feel sorry for many of them because their hard and good work got clouded by the ending. But feel more sorry for the players who saw their adventure end in such way.

[OldPapaRich]

xiaoassassin wrote...

'lots of speculation'

Lots of specualtion could have been a great idea, but obviously not the kind of speculatiuon going on now.

[Ieldra]

I'm sure they didn't intend that the ending comes across the way it did. So....yes, I feel somewhat sorry for them. Everyone makes mistakes, even epic ones. If they fix things, I won't hold this fiasco against them.

[Blarghonk]

hallidio wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

BearcatPrideEZF wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

BearcatPrideEZF wrote...

No. Just as I don't feel sorry for HItler.

Yes I did just compare Mass Effect 3 to the Holocaust.

This is completely unacceptable. & I don't care that you're joking.

I was not joking.

From a biblical point of view, all sin are equal.

Not that I'm biblical.

You piece of sh*t. I'd love to smash your face through the computer.

That's exactly what Hitler would do, you know.

the irony

LOL made my day.

[Rune-Chan]

Bioware are not a hive mind, and not an entity they are a corporation consisting of hundreds of people. The majority are hard working talented individuals who worked hard and loved the game they worked so hard on.

Some higher up decided they'd rather release the ending of a trilogy without giving it a real conclusion that makes sense or lives up to what they claimed it would be and they deserve all the flak that they get.

Most other game developers delay games if they are not ready, Bioware seem to think that's not necessary for whatever reason. Dragon Age 2 is a perfect example, and Mass Effect 3 is not a whole lot better in that regard.

Don't get me wrong, most of the game is fantastic, but it still wasn't ready for release, not with the bugs, the lack of dialogue, meaningful choices and the endings the way they are.

[ScriptDiver]

 Noone here is against them, we want to work WITH them to create the best gaming experience there is. The level of personal emotional investment on both sides should be rather evident by now... 

As for a company owned by EA I have a serious time feeling sorry for that or its managment. Completely different

[Sashimi_taco]

NO. They lied to us knowing full well the endings were NOT what they said they were. They promised up 16 different endings with vastly different outcomes. They promised an ending NOT LIKE LOST and it was exactly like lost. EXACTLY! The promised all our questions answered and they just gave us more questions. They knew they were lying when they said those things.

[Girlfrakker69]

ScriptDiver wrote...

As for a company owned by EA I have a serious time feeling sorry for that or its managment. Completely different

Like I said - business model.

[JackHallin]

 Yeah, I do. I think that dissatisfaction in some of the fanbase has led to radical accusations and downright paranoia about Bioware\\EA's motives. 

I may not be satisfied with the ending, but I recognize that BioWare has put a lot into these games. As much as we have, if not more. They made a product that they really felt they could stand behind. 

I've said it before and I'll say again that I felt the ending could have been fleshed out more, but that the game as a whole was well done as with the other games they've put out. 

I may be unhappy after all of this shakes out, but I'm not going to preclude myself from playing good video games because of all this.  I will, however, be wary of getting as invested personally in future games as I was in the ME series.  


Edit: Fixed formatting.

Modifié par JackHallin, 19 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Thornne]

I do not feel sorry for a company who sells me a poor product. Why would I?

I do feel sorry for the people who worked hard on the game. I can empathize with them, but there is a clear distinction between the people and the corporation.

[detroitmechworks]

Only the Talent/Voice Actors.

Only the Talent. And there are other companies for them to work for, thank god.

[Terminus Echoes]

I paid $60 for one product and received another.

So no.

[Quietness]

This was not an accident, this was not because they were rushed, this was because the writer(s) wanted to be edgy and hip and failed horribly. So No.. Not in the least.

[Twistedfaith]

After seeing/hearing & reading the lyrics to this? No.

[JamesYHT]

nevar00 wrote...

Honestly? I don't feel that the ending was the only bad part about the game. It was fun yes, but still a pile of missed opportunities and disappointments.

- The scanning quests were sort of lame
- I never felt that my decisions really mattered much, ESPECIALLY at the end when I had just spent all game acquiring a fleet that was reduced to a number on the EMS board and never mentioned again, as if this was some sort of table top board game. And that EMS meter meant nothing either.
- They cut corners with stuff like Tali's photoshopped picture and having only one cutaway to two dialogue options in each conversation
- What about space combat? Driving vehicles? Why did all the cool stuff happen in cutscenes?
- And then there's **** like downgrading a living Prothean to DLC, and unmissable bugs like the import glitch

So no, I don't feel bad and the ending wasn't the only bad part of the game. It's too bad as it was a fun game, just disappointing and I feel that with more time, it could've been amazing.

agree, i think they may be too confidence about the game. they underestimate people's expection or may be they just want to make money. i don't know. 

but ME3 as the ending of ME series, is a big let down for me....

i read an articl before ME3 launched, they said ME3 would fail not because it's not a good game but can't meet fan's high expection. 

[Quietness]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Only the Talent/Voice Actors.

Only the Talent. And there are other companies for them to work for, thank god.

I found myself wondering yesterday if any of the VO (Hale for example after finally getting recognized for her strong female role) got upset, to have it end like this where Shepard just meekly accepts their fate

[PaulSX]

Mass Effect 3 is a great game. I was kinda upset with demo (which is bad) and day 1 dlc at first, even cancelled my preorder. But later I was convinced to buy the game and it turns out to be amazing gaming experience.The endings are undoubtedly lackluster, but I do feel the current reactions are not very fair for them.