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[Chris20M]

arthurhallam wrote...
You people are dumb as f*ck. 

We are here to reason, to discuss.
Not trying to burn each other to death.

We will hold the line. And we will hold it in a civil way.

[InfiniteDemise]

arthurhallam wrote...

You're a cretinous little twerp who evidently can't read. 

You should probably look up the word "analogy" so you know what it means. Until then, you may want to stop using them. It's ok, we'll sit tight and wait for your big discovery.

[VigilancePress]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

What? Pointing out that the idea an ending can undermine 50-60s of near flawless experience is immature, is automatically in itself immature? Good one.

ME3 is no where near flawless. There are some amazing moments, and the game is great, but it has plenty of flaws beyond the ending. The stupid fetch-via-probe missions are just lame, for example.

"Oh, I'm so excited I just discovered 'TEXT'! Happy day!"

This- I can appreciate the story for what it is until the ending, but once that moment had passed and I had time to ruminate on the experience as a whole, I was struck by how mediocre the gameplay was. The combat is fantastic, but in every conceivable way the rest of the game is inferior to games one and two. There is no attempt to create minigames or encourage players to explore the amazing universe the game occupies. Compared to the previous two games, the lack of opportunity to continue playing beyond the ending (for obvious reasons) is shallow and dull.

Best combat of the series, no doubt about that. Best game? Nope, not really.

[SvRec]

Every time I try, the ending comes to mind and I think "What's the point?" so I just shut it off and do something else.

[majormajormmajor]

Haha

Down to insults, the little swine

Like all defenders of the ending he has nothing

Someone report the twit

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 19 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[billyzero]

I won't replay the game because the ending crushed me.  Shepard dead, mass genocide committed by Shepard, beloved crew inexplicably not bothered with any of this.

Why would I replay a game when I know nothing I can do can change the ending?

Someone said, "We'll everyone dies" and that's excatly my point!

If I want to engross myself for a couple hours about death and facing a situation where all the choices are bad, I will go to CNN and read about real life.

I come to Mass Effect, to play a hero, do heroic things, and beat those insurmountable odds to win the mega-happy unicorn ending that usually doesn't happen in the real world.  It's called escapism.  I've lived long enough to see dark endings so I don't need them in my computer games.

I wish I was you.  I'm actually terribly jealous.  You can play future DLC and grow the legend of The Shepard.  I won't touch them because it would be just a painful reminder of how I'll fail them all in the end.

"Hey Aria, need help taking back Omega?  Sure!  By the way, in a few days, it's going to explode and you'll probably die."

"Shepard," Tali says in her awesome voice, "The fleet is coming to help you, I think you've earned it." 
Shepard --"Don't bother Tali and you should stay on Rannoch and not help me fight the Reapers at Earth because your entire race is going to be stranded there.... except you, you'll be falling in love with Joker on some jungle planet, remember not to call out my name, it will upset Joker."


So, like pretty much everyone who hates the ending I suspect, I WISH I could replay the game but there isn't any meaning to it they way it is.

[VigilancePress]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Haha

Down to insults, the little swine

Like all defenders of the ending he has nothing

Someone report the twit

I did report him, but calling him a 'little swine' or a 'twit' doesn't reflect well on you.

[stormhit]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Haha

Down to insults, the little swine

Like all defenders of the ending he has nothing

Someone report the twit

Calling people swine wasn't particularly creative the first 30 times you did it.

[Liber320]

arthurhallam wrote...

I didn't compare playing the game to living & dying you complete & utter cretin, I was pointing out the flaw in her logic. There was no value judgment built into the comparison. 

You people are dumb as f*ck. 

Really?

arthurhallam wrote...

You'll die at the end of your life. May as
well kill yourself now, because there is no way you can enjoy life
knowing what awaits you. See the problem with this logic?

Modifié par Liber320, 19 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[Paragon Auducan]

The journey has to mean something, Mass Effect ultimately doesn't. You are shoe horned into 3 Identical endings that undo every single past decision you made.

Anyone who can replay them and I'm being serious here, has psychological problems.

[majormajormmajor]

stormhit13 wrote...

Calling people swine wasn't particularly creative the first 30 times you did it.

It's a good multipurpose word to describe your type.

[apotheosic]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Haha

Down to insults, the little swine

Like all defenders of the ending he has nothing

Someone report the twit

Seriously, dude. It's talk like that that makes me want to like the ending.
I don't like the ending, and OP's made an ass of himself, completely. But talking like that makes you no better than him.
Everyone just needs to chill the heck out and stop acting like this whole ending schism is an "us vs them" issue.

[Myrmedus]

Liber320 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

I didn't compare playing the game to living & dying you complete & utter cretin, I was pointing out the flaw in her logic. There was no value judgment built into the comparison. 

You people are dumb as f*ck. 

Really?

arthurhallam wrote...

You'll die at the end of your life. May as
well kill yourself now, because there is no way you can enjoy life
knowing what awaits you. See the problem with this logic?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh my God this is gold.

[MaaZeus]

I am going to play through it again, couple of times. But every single one of them I will stop before entering the run at Citadel, not yet anyway. (wishful thinking...) No point going in there.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 19 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[EllOneillE]

Big Push wrote...

I've said this elsewhere, but I really think the endings undercut the logic of all the choices you made throughout the series to that point in a way that's really twisted.

For example, Tali's situation. You can side with the Quarians (or broker peace between them and the Geth) and Tali gets to see her homeworld again with hope that her people can return to it once more. It's the realization of a generations-long dream. But the destruction of the Mass Relays at the end of ME3 means that the quarians are once again stranded on ships, generations away from ever setting foot on their homeworld again (even with FTL travel). This also assumes that they don't die slow and painful deaths due to supply shortages or get overrun by the Turians since their lifeships are the only source of dextro food in the Sol system.

It's like giving a kid a dog and then making the kid watch you shoot it.

So knowing how the series is going to end, you could argue that it's crueler to the Quarians to give them false hope about returning to their home world than it would be to just let the geth wipe them out and give them quick, far less painful deaths with no false hope to be crushed.

The same kind of logic applies to curing the genophage and basically any other major decision you can make in the game. The more allies you recruit, the more people are stranded in the Sol system, likely to die a slow and painful death.

If that doesn't kill replay value, I don't know what will.

Don't forget Wrex. He is now trapped on earth too. The story is not shy in telling us that Wrex AND Eve are necessary to lead the Krogan to a new golden age.
Without half of their leaders the Krogan may bomb themselves extinct.

And the galaxy won't have an opportunity to meet the Rachnii as allies. They may eventually hear stories of their cooperation, but stories of them swarming the galaxy will probably dominate the mindset of future generations.

What a bleak end. But maybe it is satisfying if you went Renegade on all your choices in all 3 games.

[VigilancePress]

majormajormmajor wrote...

stormhit13 wrote...

Calling people swine wasn't particularly creative the first 30 times you did it.

It's a good multipurpose word to describe your type.

...and now I've reported you, as well.

[InfiniteDemise]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

The journey has to mean something, Mass Effect ultimately doesn't. You are shoe horned into 3 Identical endings that undo every single past decision you made.

Anyone who can replay them and I'm being serious here, has psychological problems.

Oh, I don't know about that. The combat and most of the missions are great enough to replay with different classes and different companions.

I wouldn't bother with the Cerebus base or beyond, though.

[Karnor00]

Giskler wrote...

I did actually finish my 2nd playthrough because the indoctrination theory gave me hope to keep going. When I got to Rannoch that Final Hours app came out and I just turned off the game and coming back and finishing that playthrough took a lot of effort. Never touching it again unless the endings get fixed.

Yup, the indoctrination theory is about the only thing keeping me going through my second playthrough.

[InfiniteDemise]

Liber320 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

I didn't compare playing the game to living & dying you complete & utter cretin, I was pointing out the flaw in her logic. There was no value judgment built into the comparison. 

You people are dumb as f*ck. 

Really?

arthurhallam wrote...

You'll die at the end of your life. May as
well kill yourself now, because there is no way you can enjoy life
knowing what awaits you. See the problem with this logic?

You don't understand man! You, like, can't read or something!

Modifié par InfiniteDemise, 19 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[Paragon Auducan]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

The journey has to mean something, Mass Effect ultimately doesn't. You are shoe horned into 3 Identical endings that undo every single past decision you made.

Anyone who can replay them and I'm being serious here, has psychological problems.

Oh, I don't know about that. The combat and most of the missions are great enough to replay with different classes and different companions.

I wouldn't bother with the Cerebus base or beyond, though.

Of course they do, they either lack the emotion to feel dispair or they revel in it. Either way something is definately wrong with them.

[AwesomeDudex64]

 The ending pretty much makes replaying it pointless. I just keep thinking of star child and then I cringe.

[mebtru]

IMO its simple, in a game like ME, why do you do something?, i.e. why would you help the quarians and the geth, why would you save the rachnii queen 2 times, because you want to know what will happened, how that kind of decision will turn out.

That kind of decision was what made ME fun for me, replaying the game so i can get several characters, with different decision, and different endings, but in the end, every big decision do not really count, i will get the same ending, i just need to play the MP a couple of rounds, and no matter what choice i made the last 2 games, i will have enough war assets, just by rushing the game, following the main quest, and i will be asked to choose between three illogical choices.

So whats the point of replaying the game, if i want a fps i will play BF3, if i want a RTS i will play SC2, if i want a RPG with stupid ending but better gameplay i will play Deus EX, or maybe Skyrim, Fallout, etc, ME was special because the story it was a rich story, with multiples endings, and where your choices had a big weight in the game even the small ones.

[gee666]

I agree that most of ME3 was golden

But I can't deny that I have no compulsion to play 3 again as I just dont see the point
Its like being promised super sexy birthday fun then just as you take your clothes off you get a punch in the nuts instead
The build up to it was awsome but in the end you remember the punch in the nuts

[cynicalandbored]

Maybe because we were all really invested in the story and it ends on such a depressing note that it destroys the replay value for some.

"Yeah, let's play the game again and not get any satisfaction in the end... again." I don't really feel like I've defeated the Reapers. Not at all.

I'll pass.

[Bronze65]

Why would you replay something where everything you do doesn't matter?