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[greatgeek]

http://games.ign.com.../1221125p1.html

[wombat_stalker]

Still using ad hominems. And strawman arguments. Still not having a point. Ignore.

[greywardencommander]

ticklefist wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

You guys are such easy targets that even IGN can rip you a new one.

Really, stop and look in a mirror and ask yourself if this is how someone respectable would act. There is no one in the world that I would hold in any kind of regard that would even consider being a part of this ridiculous campaign. Though, that's probably because I don't have much respect for people in their late teens/early 20's. I have a hard time believing that people over 25 would be on board with this, even if they didn't like the ending.

You could use some perspective. Maybe a different plan of attack. Nobody needs your respect. Your disrespect is the nerf dart of insults. Spitwadding would have been a more effective assault.

Angry Joe and quite a few reviewers seemed a hell of a lot older than 25. As long as people do it in a civil way (i.e. not the idiots flaming on twitter with f* this and f* that' at everybody from bioware's personal accounts) and give a reasonable and detailed list of grievances, why not. Personally i don't give a monkey's whether you respect me, regardless of my age or even my personal opinion on the campaign random person on the internet. At the end of the day the endings were sufficiently out of keeping for enough people to be annoyed and for the most part have aired that concern in respectable and responsible ways, running a 'collaborative' dialog with bioware.

[Kroepoek]

IGN is the sole reason I tell Diana Allers to shove it in the game. I don't need that crap on my ship.

Thats aside from the fact Jessica Chobot is a poor VA and the character sucks bawls.

Modifié par Fix1o0, 19 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

greatgeek wrote...

http://games.ign.com.../1221125p1.html

I can only imagine how this discussion is going to conclude.

[S Atomeha]

imooumoo wrote...

I've ceased all activity in accordance with IGN and any other website that fowl mouths and makes fun of their userbase. I found some sites that are much better, even one's that may disagree with us, they still have respect for us.

spill.com
giantbomb.com
gamefront.com
gameinformer.com
forbes.com

Let me know if you guys know anymore, because I need more podcasts to listen to to get me through the day-day. %90 of the podcasts I listened to had their hands somewhere in IGN or their employees.

giantbomb is really good, i started paying attention to tem with their soul calibur IV review.

[Mr Indivisible]

The most amusing part is, I've seen more cringe worthy responses from the defenders rather then the protesters.

The best part of all this, for me, is it has highlighted journalists worth watching/reading and those not. I don't mean on their bias (pro or anti ending) but on the research he/she does before speaking/writing.

For example Jimquisition is so amazingly ill and uninformed about the primary reasons for disliking the ending its hilarious. He at least has the grace to say he doesn't give a *&#^ but people expect him to comment.

IGN has proven again its lack of journalistic standards and qualifications.

[Sammuthegreat]

Yeesh. I'm genuinely shocked that IGN have sunk so low, surely such a large business would realise how petty and misguided that attack was.

And before anyone says "what do you expect, it's IGN" - fair enough, they've written a bunch of lazy and/or pointless articles before, but show me a news site in any sector that hasn't. I'm just staggered that they'd go on such an ill-advised offensive when just 5 minutes of research would should how badly they'd missed the mark.

EDIT: It's also very difficult to sympathise with arguments on a point of principle - i.e. that fans should let developers tell their own story - when the arguments are entirely strawmen or ad homines.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 19 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[NReed106]

Very nice straw man argument, it's a logical fallacy just like the space kid's reasoning
#winning

[cinderburster]

Zulufoxtrot wrote...

IGN treats the fans worse than anything I've ever seen posted on these forums.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

F uck IGN they are corporate pigs

[TheRealMithril]

Edit for clarity:

IGN is owned by Newscorp. Newscorp and EA are strategic partners. So, no surprise there.

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 19 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[dcal31]

There's good-natured ribbing and then there's the bile spewing discourse the IGN puts out. I especially like them ridiculing all the people whose response to an disappointing ending is to selflessly give money to charity. Way to stay classy IGN. You would think that a "network" build entirely upon the opinions of gamers would have more respect for them. I can tell you that any respect I had for IGN (which was some) is completely gone after this incident. Also, IGN's new slogan:

IGN: F*** You Charities!

[Swisspease]

Kidroz wrote...

Cant spell Ignorant without IGN

[WeAreLegionWTF]

might have something to do with the fact you have to watch a me3 ad before the clip... just saying.

[Lord Of Crows]

I also found IGN's slandering of the Childs Play charity weird. I mean if he was truly a detractor a better comment would have been. "At least these people gave money to a worthy charity, that helps sick kids in hospitals. Even if it's for the wrong reasons."
It really does seem like pandering on their end. Insulting the people that visit your site is ludacris, (We are a game playing/buying demographic.) especially charity work of any kind (which is always a good thing, and this is a viable reason.)

[wesr]

IGN is EA/BW's propaganda tool so it's no wonder they're attacking, it's the only way they can lash out at fans without the backlash actually touching them.

[Lord Of Crows]

---Edited double post

Modifié par Lord Of Crows, 19 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[johnny532]

Ignore their tactic of trolling us to turn us into an angry mob that's easily dismissed and ignored.

Hold the line!

[TheRealMithril]

It is actually rather interesting to see how things unfold, pretty much as atghunter said it would. It is a learning experience I am very thankful of. Thank you for this atghunter.

[SmokePants]

greywardencommander wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

You guys are such easy targets that even IGN can rip you a new one.

Really, stop and look in a mirror and ask yourself if this is how someone respectable would act. There is no one in the world that I would hold in any kind of regard that would even consider being a part of this ridiculous campaign. Though, that's probably because I don't have much respect for people in their late teens/early 20's. I have a hard time believing that people over 25 would be on board with this, even if they didn't like the ending.

You could use some perspective. Maybe a different plan of attack. Nobody needs your respect. Your disrespect is the nerf dart of insults. Spitwadding would have been a more effective assault.

Angry Joe and quite a few reviewers seemed a hell of a lot older than 25. As long as people do it in a civil way (i.e. not the idiots flaming on twitter with f* this and f* that' at everybody from bioware's personal accounts) and give a reasonable and detailed list of grievances, why not. Personally i don't give a monkey's whether you respect me, regardless of my age or even my personal opinion on the campaign random person on the internet. At the end of the day the endings were sufficiently out of keeping for enough people to be annoyed and for the most part have aired that concern in respectable and responsible ways, running a 'collaborative' dialog with bioware.

You are missing my point. It doesn't matter what I think of you. I was suggesting that you employ the "What Would ____ Do?" self-examination technique. Think of someone who you greatly respect and ask yourself honestly whether they would be a party to this.

If you're still under the impression that your side has its dignitiy intact, yet you have to really look hard to find participants that are reflecting that ideal, then maybe you should re-examine things. If there's an idiot to your left and an idiot to your right, then you're standing with idiots.

I don't have a problem with people who reject the ending. My problem is with how infantile, entitled, indignant, immature, naive, rude, pathetic, unreasonable, and a whole host of other negative adjectives can be easily applied to this campaign.

"Retake Mass Effect" -- as if you owned Mass Effect to begin with. Call it what it is: "Take Mass Effect". Doesn't sound as noble, does it? More honest, though.

And getting Child's Play involved is as unoriginal and transparent as it gets. As if that will grant you moral high ground. Ever heard of Carbon Offset strategies? This is like Jerkface Offset or something.

But the analogy I'm most reminded of is the neighborhood children who are trying to catch a dog by chasing after it as fast as they can run. The dog is just going to run away farther and faster. All this campaign is doing is backing Bioware into a corner. Ironically, this crusade will preclude Bioware from even considering changing the ending, rather than compel them to do it.

Modifié par SmokePants, 19 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[TheRealMithril]

...and it was a cold winters night. Charlie was the luckiest boy in the world. ...

[Welsh Inferno]

They will only go away if you stop caring what they say.

Less people caring = Less hits = Less internet traffic = Less money = and on and on. until they are kaput..

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 19 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[TheRealMithril]

That was my way of showing my indifference. I much rather write something poetic, than bother arguing with that.

[sangy]

IGN, I never liked them.