SmokePants wrote...
You are missing my point. It doesn't matter what I think of you. I was suggesting that you employ the "What Would ____ Do?" self-examination technique. Think of someone who you greatly respect and ask yourself honestly whether they would be a party to this.greywardencommander wrote...
ticklefist wrote...
SmokePants wrote...
You guys are such easy targets that even IGN can rip you a new one.
Really, stop and look in a mirror and ask yourself if this is how someone respectable would act. There is no one in the world that I would hold in any kind of regard that would even consider being a part of this ridiculous campaign. Though, that's probably because I don't have much respect for people in their late teens/early 20's. I have a hard time believing that people over 25 would be on board with this, even if they didn't like the ending.
You could use some perspective. Maybe a different plan of attack. Nobody needs your respect. Your disrespect is the nerf dart of insults. Spitwadding would have been a more effective assault.
Angry Joe and quite a few reviewers seemed a hell of a lot older than 25. As long as people do it in a civil way (i.e. not the idiots flaming on twitter with f* this and f* that' at everybody from bioware's personal accounts) and give a reasonable and detailed list of grievances, why not. Personally i don't give a monkey's whether you respect me, regardless of my age or even my personal opinion on the campaign random person on the internet. At the end of the day the endings were sufficiently out of keeping for enough people to be annoyed and for the most part have aired that concern in respectable and responsible ways, running a 'collaborative' dialog with bioware.
If you're still under the impression that your side has its dignitiy intact, yet you have to really look hard to find participants that are reflecting that ideal, then maybe you should re-examine things. If there's an idiot to your left and an idiot to your right, then you're standing with idiots.
I don't have a problem with people who reject the ending. My problem is with how infantile, entitled, indignant, immature, naive, rude, pathetic, unreasonable, and a whole host of other negative adjectives can be easily applied to this campaign.
"Retake Mass Effect" -- as if you owned Mass Effect to begin with. Call it what it is: "Take Mass Effect". Doesn't sound as noble, does it? More honest, though.
And getting Child's Play involved is as unoriginal and transparent as it gets. As if that will grant you moral high ground. Ever heard of Carbon Offset strategies? This is like Jerkface Offset or something.
But the analogy I'm most reminded of is the neighborhood children who are trying to catch a dog by chasing after it as fast as they can run. The dog is just going to run away farther and faster. All this campaign is doing is backing Bioware into a corner. They will not give in to your demands because it is just not an option.
I am neither of the retake movement or particularly like the idea of what seems like throwing in a charity to add weight rather than because of the actualy charity itself (my personal opinion). I also never said Bioware HAD to do anything, I merely stated that as long as it is civil there is absolutely no reason why, in theory, the gamers can't at the very least have the ending explained 'did they think it was the ending needed, why' etc even if not changed. Maybe adding some 'this happened as a result' as some for of appeasement.
I don't agree with changing the endings, all of this was within the parameters of what Bioware set out for us and they had the right to end it as they pleased, yes we had choice but it was a lot more linear (albeit with variables) than you think.
I,e
In ME1 - Only two endings, save council, destroy council
In ME2 - Only two endings, destroy base, take base (padded out by all survive, some survive, i negate don't survive because you can't continue)
In ME3 - Only three endings - Red, Green, Blue
However I believe that where the product falls down on quality (if the three endings matched the writing and tone of the previous three games this wouldn't be an issue because, heck the choices weren't there but damn their ending worked) I believe they have the right to at the very least make their opinion heard that while the rest of the franchise is up there as epic, the ending fell completely flat. If they went for some sort of poetic, mythological and metaphorical symbolism e.g. 'new beginning' it really fell short of what it could have been
If they change the endings, add a couple of extra choices for a 'perfect scenario' or explain them in my opinion great because that's what I feel is needed, if not I'll live and I'm certainly not going to boycott bioware/ea and unsubscribe from swtor because I love bioware games and the experience even if the ending leaves a sour taste.
Whereas for the most part (there are notable exceptions on twitter as already mentioned) those confused and wanting closure re the endings have acted with dignity and, as is the point of this thread IGN have come out and pretty much slated their entire market audience, meaning their dignity is tarnished and to be honest look pretty stupid. To not even acknowledge why (like gameinformer and forbes) why they feel like this is to be like the young kid in the neighbourhood covering his ears to block out all the other kids explaining why Santa isn't real and ignoring the actual analysis of what is being said.
Modifié par greywardencommander, 19 mars 2012 - 10:48 .
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