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[Ferretinabun]

2Shepards wrote...

No I was not hoping for some miracle cure...Having Kai Leng take out two of my squad members who I worked my ass off to save and keep alive in me2 really frosted my cookies though

Two? Who else does he kill?

[joe1852]

maybe i should make a revivethane movement and demand they bring him back to life

[phototed]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I agree OP. Personally I was never a huge Thane fan (I didn't dislike him or anything, I just wasn't a giant fan like some people are) but his death was epic. A sick, dying man fending off an assasination attempt by a highly trained cyborg? Awesome.

I was a big Thane fan and was sad that he died.  But he went epically!  Still wondering why he and the others in the scene didn't use any of their biotic or tech powers against Kai Lang.

[Kastrenzo]

MrFob wrote...

I agree with the OP. I think Thane's ending is appropriate.
And to all who say Kai Leng is just another one of the bad guys, I say "no."
If you combine the books and his appearances in game, he is portrayed as quite the adversary who even bests Shepard on occasion. Not in the end of course but at least he can achieve some temporary victories before we take him out, no matter that it happens in cut-scenes.
For me, I genuinely had a personal hatred of him by the time I got to take him down. A good adversary IMO and a worthy opponent for Thane's final fight, especially given the choreography of that cut scene.

In a lot of ways he was responsible for a lot of the F*** Ups,
It's frustrating for people because he had that inpenetrable Plot armor.

[MrFob]

Yeah, I hear ya. I was hitting my mouse button over and over in hopes of a renegade interrupt both with thane and on thessia. Bit then, I guess plot armour is the way to go when you go against Shepard. Too bad they didn't give one to Marauder Shields .

[Emeraldfern]

CGramn wrote...

This would probably be better addressed in the Protest Romanced Thane's treatment in ME3 thread.
Anyway, my wife romanced Thane in ME2, and I've been closely following her dismay at what happened and what is going on with the Thanemancers, and I guess I'll chip in with what seems to be the main problems here:

1) A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies, everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4) Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the process.

And I agree with this. And no.4, 5 was what irked me the most in ME3. Actually they irked me enough to not go through the game anymore with my favorite playthrough.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Sainta117 wrote...

First off, I have no intention of hating on Thane, or his many fans. Thane is a great character, but part of what makes him great is the pathos of his rapidly approaching death. He reminds me of John Wayne in the Shootist, or Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, a dying tough guy who wants to go out with his boots on in a good cause.

Thane's death is epic, and far better than wasting away over months and months as he coughs his life out. The man saves a councillor and holds off a cyborg assassin bare-handed while dying of a degenerative respiratory condition. I mean, how much better an end could he have? It seems to me that Thane's end is a fantastic one - why are people upset? Were his fans pulling for a miracle cure?

IDK man, honestly.

The only thing that angered me about Thane's death was that it was Kai who did it... My anger isn't so much at Thane dying but at Kai Leng for being Kai Leng... But I suppose that's a good thing as far the story goes, right?

IDK. Didn't realize ppl needed Thane to necessarily live.

[Echo_V]

Sparatus wrote...

They are upset because Bioware actually mislead them about a cure (support the Cure Thane movement on their facebook page for instance) and because there is really no difference in a romanced and unromanced Thane. And to top it off he doesn't count as a romance in 3.

Really, unless you romanced Garrus in Mass Effect 2 you are out of luck. Since he is the only femshep romance that carries over.

this is your answer OP

and just look here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9749360/1

I think it's mostly a problem about the romanced thane, not the death of him^^

[jupitertronic]

I feel like no one's listening to me, but the point is that romancing Thane changes his character progression.

No romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Still okay with dying in ME3 > dies in battle > goes out praying for you.

Romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Falls in love with FemShep and is no longer okay with dying > Suddenly okay with dying again in ME3 with no explanation > goes out praying for you (and neither you nor he mention that you were lovers).

A romanced Thane character arc is one big plot hole.

[Jarcander]

When someone suggested giving him more screentime, the first thing I thought was making his deadscene longer. My mind is horrible.

It was a good way to go though. No reason to further twist the sword in the wound.

[Meshaber]

jupitertronic wrote...

I feel like no one's listening to me, but the point is that romancing Thane changes his character progression.

No romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Still okay with dying in ME3 > dies in battle > goes out praying for you.

Romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Falls in love with FemShep and is no longer okay with dying > Suddenly okay with dying again in ME3 with no explanation > goes out praying for you (and neither you nor he mention that you were lovers).

A romanced Thane character arc is one big plot hole.

It's not a plothole. It's too bad Thanes romance in ME3 is so underdeveloped, and this is one of those issues, but it's not a plothole. People act weird about death, flip-flopping a little as the situation changes is acceptable, even if it isn't exactly good writing. Plus the situation in ME2 (dying from disease, about to go on a suicide mission, can fight part of it but not all...that is a ****ty situation) is radically different from the one in ME3 (Final stages of terminal illness). I think a DLC that allows you to find a cure for Thane and recruit him is a very possible plan though, as with other ME2 characters like Jack and Miranda.

[hoodie_gypsy]

I liked Thane's story, and I also liked that something happened that was out of Shepard's hands (no quip about the ending intended here, promise). His final scene was one of my favorites in the game.

[wildannie]

hoodie_gypsy wrote...

I liked Thane's story, and I also liked that something happened that was out of Shepard's hands (no quip about the ending intended here, promise). His final scene was one of my favorites in the game.

I bet he's not your favourite character and canon LI though <_<

[Kristofer1]

never liked thane myself. felt him to be useless. until i actually talked to him in my playthrough prior to this games release, and then i realized he is interesting, and i thought what happened with him in me3 was not only fitting, but a solid ending for a character i had come to appreciate.

[DanteNick11]

His terminal illness is part of the reason I was fine with him dying. At least he went out like a boss with his son and me by his side and no regrets (at least for my shep) and not wasting away for nothing.

[Mushufasa1512]

Good death for Thane. I think they made it fairly apparent he would have stomped KL if he was not weakened from his illness. I never did the Thane romance however so I understand people's concerns.

Modifié par Mushufasa1512, 21 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[dancingphlower]

I had no problem with him dying, it just felt like no one on the Normandy particularly cared, which was odd.

[DimlyAwareL]

dancingphlower wrote...

I had no problem with him dying, it just felt like no one on the Normandy particularly cared, which was odd.

I may have posted this somewhere else but I'll post my opinion here too.  I think there's quite a bit to be said about the purpose of his character aside from him rejecting transplants.

Perhaps the point of no one saying anything about Thane was to support the fact that in Mass Effect 2 he tells Shepard that you/he/she is the only friend he has made in ten years.  Aside from Dr. Chakwas' notes in his LOTSB dossier we pretty much know that he keeps his interactions limited even though they benefit him.  Kasumi mentions him if you romance him but she can cloak and is sneaky anyway. 

I really felt that his character was meant to be that representation of a situation in life where nothing will change and that the only thing you can do is be there for someone when they're dying, to stand by their side, and know that they matter(ed) to you, and that you matter(ed) to them enough that their even their dying words are for you whether you romanced Thane or not because you made a difference and it absolutely counted for something.

I would be pissed if anyone else tried to take up residence in Life Support on my Normandy and I think by keeping it empty and dark, the cot gone, the table bright with the two chairs, the ever present mug, the empty shelves, and the window covered up says a lot and reiterates what his character was meant to be and more real for the story, especially with how the background noise was a little different like the space wasn't being filled.

It's like saying too bad, there is no choice, you do not control this, this is the way life is....

...and it hurt and made cry so yeah, Thane Krios strikes at the heart again and gets the winning kill by crippling my soul.   I was reminded that some things in life just really do freaking suck and uh no other game has made me feel that before inside their little universe.  When Arbiter died in Halo 3, did I cry or really think about it?  No.  One cool line came out of that, "were it so easy" and I find it more applicable to Mass Effect as a whole than the game it spawned from.  

[parrmi22]

I was happy they didn't give him a miracle cure. On that subject, though, wasn't Thane originally supposed to encountered on Kahje, where the hanar were trying to cure his disease? I think I read that on the confirmed features thread.

[Niellepuffs]

parrmi22 wrote...

On that subject, though, wasn't Thane originally supposed to encountered on Kahje, where the hanar were trying to cure his disease? I think I read that on the confirmed features thread.

slkjfslkdjfs REALLY?!  Well, that sure makes me rage.  I think just that in addition to what actually happened in the game would have let me feel less cheated out of some decent quality time with an awesome character.

[nitefyre410]

jameshawking wrote...

The only problem I have with Thane's death was that the highly-skilled, epic assassin charged a guy who had a sword.

When Thane had a pistol.

And Thane tried to punch him with the pistol.


....what?

  

Out of ammo. 

[akashacatbat]

I'm a Thane fan. Romanced him in ME2. Thought his death scene was amazing. I never really expected him to get out of ME3 alive, and feel like it would be cheap to have him do so.

[Missy_MI]

Another Thane romancer here. I'm fine that he died and the way his death was handled. However, I am bummed that no crew members mention him after he dies. I still think that has got to be a bug or something.

[avatar0]

I think you misunderstood.
People in general don't "hate" hate Thane dying.
It's a very gripping moment of narrative, and his farewell and exit were both masterfully done.
People hate to see a good character go, but in this instance they do so fully immersed in the story.
No one is asking Bioware to bring Thane back, people are eager for justice to be served and wanted Kai Leng to get what he deserved.

This is unlike the ending hate, which was in fact a hate on the narrative itself.

[thefallen2far]

This is the first I'm hearing of anyone upset at Thane's passing. I guess some people were hoping for a Morlin "you could save him" ending... which I might not have been against, but at the same time, I acknowledge the choice to not have it.