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There was talk of a cure to his disease in ME2 though he said it would come too late for him, then (in 3) he lived 3x as long as his doctors gave him (or more). I liked the Thane's passing (even though I detest Kai-Leng's scripted fights) I felt he died with the best end he could have hoped for. the "Who was 'She' in the prayer" "It was for you." almost brought a tear to my eye, :) A quality moment I cling to every time I have to slog through the ending...

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Im happy they let him die in 3 but it could have been better and not at the hands of Leng due to the scene just coming off as rushed.

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jupitertronic wrote...

I feel like no one's listening to me, but the point is that romancing Thane changes his character progression.

No romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Still okay with dying in ME3 > dies in battle > goes out praying for you.

Romance: Thane is okay with dying when you meet him in ME2 > Falls in love with FemShep and is no longer okay with dying > Suddenly okay with dying again in ME3 with no explanation > goes out praying for you (and neither you nor he mention that you were lovers).

A romanced Thane character arc is one big plot hole.


basically, this.

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Plus it felt so satisfying to kill Kai Leng and say, "That was for Thane, you son of a ****!"

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I don't think he should've been cured but it would've been nice to save him from getting him shanked by Kai Leng. Paragon interrupt maybe?

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Thane's and to a further part Mordin's deaths in the game where some of the high points of the story for me, real tear jerkers that honestly played my emotions like a fiddle.

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daigakuinsei wrote...

Plus it felt so satisfying to kill Kai Leng and say, "That was for Thane, you son of a ****!"


I'd be more happy if Thane went through lung transplant after the coup and killed him personally.

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I loved it, but I also think in general there wasn't enough of him in the game (or any ME2 character for that matter) and from what I understand the people who romanced him didn't get anything different in the dying scene? That's the main complaint I've heard.

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I honestly thought Thane's end was pretty appropriate, and I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that he died. Bioware never really left you with any illusions on that one. He tells you he's dying from an incurable disease within the first 5 minutes of meeting him.

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stysiaq wrote...

daigakuinsei wrote...

Plus it felt so satisfying to kill Kai Leng and say, "That was for Thane, you son of a ****!"


I'd be more happy if Thane went through lung transplant after the coup and killed him personally.


From a storytelling perspective, they wanted Kai Leng to be a decent foil for Shep.  Makes him really easy to hate when he's killed your buddy.

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I think it would have been nice if more people on the Normandy talked about him. Tali had a drink for Miranda and people were sad about Mordin, but Thane was almost a ghost.

I still can't understand why anyone would romance him personally, he's this close from dying and joining his wife, you are just going to be Jenny-come-lately "across the sea."

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this its just the thanmancers if thats even a term where upset he didnt get much in the terms of dialogue.

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The Angry One wrote...

Miracle cure, probably.
Also Kai Leng is a schmuck.


Didn't you think waaay back when that Thane looked like a fish? Would've thought you'd be happy.

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A reiteration as to why we're angry about Thane's death from a romanced Thane's perspective:

1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6)The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian
councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
9) Every other ME2 LI can be saved or damned by Shepard's actions (or lack thereof) all but Thane. Parity thy name is Absent in ME3.

Fail.

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Thane's death was well written and emotional but to me his whole character felt like forced romanticism

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ahandsomeshark wrote...

I loved it, but I also think in general there wasn't enough of him in the game (or any ME2 character for that matter) and from what I understand the people who romanced him didn't get anything different in the dying scene? That's the main complaint I've heard.


Pretty much this. Shepard shows more emotion over the VS being injured than Thane's death, and no one mentions him after. Garrus even stands in front of the memorial that his name was just added to, and talks about how hard the day was because you almost had to shoot the VS. He then goes on to talk about the Virmire Sacrifice. You'd think that'd be the perfect time for him to say something about Thane, even if it's just a quick, 'Sorry about Krios'. 

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 31 mars 2012 - 07:42 .


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Grand Wazoo wrote...

I agree. His story arc would've been kinda pointless if he didn't die. The option to cure him could still be there though.


I agree that the CHOICE to cure him should have existed.  If you didn't choose it, then still satisfied with the conclusion of the story.  Why mention in ME2 that the hanar are working on a cure, and then post in the LoTSB dossier that he's a candidate for a lung transplant? 

AND if that isn't good enough, in Revelation, the Batarians are successfully cloning organs. 

So, should have been a choice, a mission to Kahje and BAM - he's cured, and you get hanar/drell war assets. 

Good ole CHOICE. 

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 31 mars 2012 - 07:47 .


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I liked how his death was handled, with one small exception. Him getting the drop on Kai Lame with a gun in hand didn't make sense to me, specifically the part where he pulls the trigger too late. Either have him wound Kai Lame with the gun or don't give him a weapon to begin with.

Overall, I loved this arc

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I liked every minute he was in ME3, it was the perfect way for him to go out in my opinion. It was already stated that he had an incurable (at that point in time) disease and that he only had a few monthes left, it would have been stupid for him to recover from it.

Modifié par Adam2190, 31 mars 2012 - 07:48 .


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-Skorpious- wrote...

Thane had the most satisfying ME2 cameo in my opinion.


Bingo, this is the difference between people who just want a sappy...I mean happy ending and those that want a satisfying ending.  Look not everything is unicorns, rainbows and sunshine.  Galaxy annihilating beings are on the doorstep, people are going to die and Thane's death was awesome.  So was Mordin's.  That's how you go out, fighting for what you believe in.  Holding off Cerberus's best agent, who prides himself on CQC combat, in CQC combat while suffering from a terminal disease.  Thane made Kai Leng his B**** and died like a man.  Far better than Shepard who got lied to and then punked from a shimmering simpering simpleton.

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-Skorpious- wrote...

Thane had the most satisfying ME2 cameo in my opinion.


this for me.

I think Moridin and Thane were the two best characters from ME2. They had great depth and by talking to them in ME2 you get a LOT of backstory about them. From Thane meeting his wife, to Moridin talking about his history with STG and the genophage.  I thought he was great in ME3 (both were) and his death, while it sucked, was incredibly well done. He was well written and it really wrapped up his character nicely and then his last prayer being for shep was awesome.

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Visii wrote...


A reiteration as to why we're angry about Thane's death from a romanced Thane's perspective:

1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6)The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian
councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
9) Every other ME2 LI can be saved or damned by Shepard's actions (or lack thereof) all but Thane. Parity thy name is Absent in ME3.

Fail.


THIS

Also, if his fight was so epic and he died a hero then why isn't that fight just exclusive to him? Kirrahe can take his place and die too but I don't hear anyone saying that Kirrahe went out like a hero and his death was badass.

So that alone diminshes Thane's role in the fight if someone else can take his place.

Mordin's role is only exclusive to him but yet there is still the choice of being able to save him. Yeah you have to sacrifice alot to do that, but at least the player has a choice in that matter. If there's an option to save other characters that die, then Thane should have one too regardless of his sickness. He didn't need to be cured he could just have had his life extended. An option is all we wanted. If you wanted him to die, then fine, things would be the same as they are and he'll die. But if someone else saved him in their playthrough, then fine too since that doesn't affect anyone elses playthrough that wants him dead. 

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The problem with choosing not to cure him is it's like "choosing" not to recruit Morinth or "choosing" not to shoot Legion in the face. Only an ass would do it - it's no choice at all. Not curing him if the option is there might as well be a nonstandard game over.

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FbangIncentinveX wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Hi, my name is Thane. I am going to die soon. It is incurable.


Yup, there you go.  That's not right.


Why not? To me at least, Thanes disease being curable diminishes his whole character because a large part of his character is redemption before his death. Him suddenly getting better would cheapen his whole story.

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-Skorpious- wrote...

Thane had the most satisfying ME2 cameo in my opinion.


Mordin had a fantastic Cameo and I agree the Thane death was fantastic beyond belief...all the more reason I hate that damn ending.