4 réponses à ce sujet

[Croakamancer]

Yes, I do mean the ending to this game. And bleh, I do like it (in fact it's one of my fav endings to a game of all time) but there's one thing that always kind of bugged me at the very end. And to try and take a break from the ME3 rage, I thought I'd come over here and ask you smart people about it.

After the suicide mission, if you preserved the base, the Illusive Man contacts you and notes his intent to salvage it, Shepard commenting that it'll all go to Cerberus

Err... How?

To put this into context for me, I was playing a Paragon Shepard up till that point, who made the renegade choice becuase it seemed logical, and the counter argument wasn't too strong... but how the hell can Cerberus get to the Collector Base without Shep's ok? Shep can challange the Illusive Man, to a point (Human Dominance? Or Cerberus?) Plus, one option shouldn't make you all Renegade or Paragon.

But yah... The only ship with the Reaper IFF is the Normandy. And whilst I'd normally say an IFF is duplicatable, that it could be a software thing, they're explicit about noting that the Reaper IFF is hardware

Any explination for this one?

[PsiFive]

 Presumptuousness on the part of the Illusive Man? "Cerberus made the ship and sent them there so obviously we get the goodies, and besides the Alliance and Council don't even know" kind of attitude. Not a good attitude, agreed, but this is TIM we're talking about here. The problem is still that there's only one IFF, so either Cerberus must find it can run off how ever many duplicates it needs at short notice to send ships in to recover the base or it had some IFFs on the shelf somewhere already and sent Shepard to the dead Reaper because.... erm.... because....
Oh, look, Shepard, why don't you just blow the place up for the sake of a more plausible narrative?

Modifié par PsiFive, 19 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Croakamancer]

It gets worse if you play LoTS. The Broker points out that the Normandy's what he'll need to get through the relay.

And unfortunately no, it can't just be assumption, because of... something we see in ME3. And if the thing is Reaper hardware, I don't think it's going to be easy to duplicate... it's security codes to identify someone as a Reaper. Hense you having to retrieve it rather than hack it.

[PsiFive]

I'd missed or forgotten what the Shadow Broker said, though there's always the possibility he was mistaken. Very very slim possibility given everything else we know for sure in game - that people have been going through the Omega relay for centuries without an IFF and not coming back, that TIM said Cerberus identified the need for it from the data EDI got from the Collector ship, and that the Normandy gets through in one piece (just) after fitting the IFF. Some or all of that would have to be mistaken from the characters' points of view, which just changes the question to 'So they didn't need an IFF after all?' which would be even less plausible. And agreed about the duplication part as even without knowing all the details of ME3 it seems unlikely that Cerberus happened to have a Reaper IFF photocopying machine kicking around. Cerberus ships appear at the base right away, don't they? So either they had more IFFs, in which case why not just put one on the Normandy to start with, or you don't need one to go through the Omega relay after all. The only other explanation that I can think of is that they worked out how to re-program the relay, but if that degree of control of the relays has been achieved doesn't it make the ME3 ending even more weird and inexplicable?

So, yeah, it's a problem until a sensible explanation turns up, preferably one more convincing than the usual 'It's all done with Mass Effect fields' one. Either someone needs to phone Star Trek and ask if they can borrow Wesley Crusher for 40 minutes or Shepard should just blow the base into tiny pieces before everyone gets sucked past the event horizon of the plot hole.

[Croakamancer]

Actually, in ME3, they kinda try it either way. Even if you blow up the base, it's noted that Cerberus tried to recover what they could from it. (not a spoiler, that's not really a plot element in ME3) And no, they don't explain this either. As to programming the Relays... Eh. The only canon case we've seen of that is the Protheans, and what they did was very specific, took their highest tech, and wasn't really about the relays (reprogramming the Keepers)

There are some things in the ME3 ending that are being called oversights, or being defended as artistically vague, but yeah... I think calling this one a flat out plot hole is fair.