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John Walker's "What's Right With Mass Effect 3's Ending"


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The Razman

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It seems people scramble whenever a new damning review or YouTube vid is posted about Mass Effect 3. So I feel somewhat obligated to post a brilliantly worded piece to the contrary.

John Walker's "What's Right With Mass Effect 3's Ending", on Rock Paper Shotgun.

Not looking for a flame-war as a result of posting this, I should point out. It's just a lovely worded piece.

There's also this follow-up which he posted in the comments section:



John Walker says:

I’m on holiday this week, so despite doing my best to read as
many comments as possible, I’m not keeping up here. But I wanted to
make a few general responses.

1. Perspective. I wrote a personal account of why I enjoyed the the
ending of Mass Effect. I did this in reaction to my having enjoyed the
ending of Mass Effect, and because we’d previously published negative
coverage and I wanted to express that I felt differently. In the post I
acknowledge that I empathise with the issues some have, while not being
affected by them. This is not a personal attack on you because you feel
differently, and while I recognise the frustration that I have the post
for my voice, and you have the comments, you are not harmed by this
post.

2. I have read no other positive coverage of the ending on other
sites, and oddly enough am not involved in a conspiracy of the gaming
press. I liked a thing you hated. I also thought the ending of AI was
brilliant, and truly understood the grotesque horror of fairytale. Yet
the world continues

3. Personal attacks on my professional integrity, accusations or
implications of corruption, and suggestions that I am controlled by
advertising/publisher relation pressure are ****ing disgraceful. I like
to imagine that any reputation I may have might slightly lean toward the
suggestion that publisher appeasement isn’t exactly high on my agenda.
Of course, I don’t expect most people to give two ****s who I am so
that’s not relevant for most – however, making wildly offensive
accusations shouldn’t be something anyone is reaching for in a
discussion over whether people liked the end of a game or not. Good
GRIEF.

4. I have no idea what Joker was doing on the Normandy at that point.
It doesn’t take a huge leap of imagination to assume something like,
“he was asked to fly to the Citadel after people realised Shepard was on
board, then tried to avoid the green wobbly bubble.” Or even that they
were helping a particular ship that was in distress. I dunno! It didn’t
strike me as the most important thing happening, but clearly that wasn’t
the case for all

5. It turns out that if the Relays were destroyed in the process of
relaying an ancient signal from the ancient race, that meant their solar
system destroying ways were muted. Phew, eh?


Modifié par The Razman, 20 mars 2012 - 02:12 .


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chaosapiant

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I read this earlier today, and this is a GREAT article! Thanks for posting!

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He4vyMet4l

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That is hardly the point.

The ME universe gets destroyed. It really doesn't matter what choices we made during the previous games, if no-one is left to enjoy them. The relays explode, and only a handful of individuals are left stranded on a planet.

That is how life after ME3 continued, A new beginning, with nothing to show for it. Everything we did was meaningless with the ending we got.

Let me put it this way: Lets say you are having a chess match with someone you don't know. You two are having a blast, with brilliant moves from both of you. Eventually you lose.

You may try again, saying to yourself that was fun and one hell of a match.

Would you try again if you knew that person was the best chess player in the world, and you have no way in heaven to win?

Edit:

I must say I believe mose of us loved everything prior to the end. I myself think ME3 is the best gaming experience I ever had (probably alot more than gaming alone). So that article is missing the point imo.

Modifié par He4vyMet4l, 19 mars 2012 - 11:35 .


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Shinobu

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Interesting read. I feel the author's choice to play each game only once may enhance his ability to accept the endings.

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great read, im on the fence with the ending. I think its acceptable, however, i hate how you just simply dont know the answers about your crew members, and the state of the galaxy. You can assume, but you still dont know

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He4vyMet4l wrote...

That is hardly the point.

The ME universe gets destroyed. It really doesn't matter what choices we made during the previous games, if no-one is left to enjoy them. The relays explode, and only a handful of individuals are left stranded on a planet.

That is how life after ME3 continued, A new beginning, with nothing to show for it. Everything we did was meaningless with the ending we got.

Let me put it this way: Lets say you are having a chess match with someone you don't know. You two are having a blast, with brilliant moves from both of you. Eventually you lose.

You may try again, saying to yourself that was fun and one hell of a match.

Would you try again if you knew that person was the best chess player in the world, and you have no way in heaven to win?

Edit:

I must say I believe mose of us loved everything prior to the end. I myself think ME3 is the best gaming experience I ever had (probably alot more than gaming alone). So that article is missing the point imo.

Well to be honest, I did feel like I won in that scenario. I did beat the reapers, just the way of doing so wasn't exactly perfect. Honestly give me a dlc that says some scientists made it possible to do FTL travel efficent enough that you don't have to rely on the mass relays and maybe add a line or two in the game saying joker had to back off because such and such happens and maybe shepard said get out of here...and I'll be 100% happy!

Anyways, this article is reffering to how people say none of your choices matter, and I think he does mention that he does understand any other complaint but this perticular one. Missing most of the points, but it is still against one point.

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My list of what's right about the Mass effect 3 ending:
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Zenor wrote...
Anyways, this article is reffering to how people say none of your choices matter, and I think he does mention that he does understand any other complaint but this perticular one. Missing most of the points, but it is still against one point.

He says that he can understand "a number of other arguments", but not all of them. He also defends the Starchild and the ending choices, I believe.

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That article is dead on. It's fine to criticize, but so many people are taking it too far, spewing irrational comments about some alleged lies or mistreatment... that's the real tragedy, that some feel entitled enough to demand things from a company that gave them 100s of hours of fun.

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Zenor wrote...

Well to be honest, I did feel like I won in that scenario. I did beat the reapers, just the way of doing so wasn't exactly perfect. Honestly give me a dlc that says some scientists made it possible to do FTL travel efficent enough that you don't have to rely on the mass relays and maybe add a line or two in the game saying joker had to back off because such and such happens and maybe shepard said get out of here...and I'll be 100% happy!

Anyways, this article is reffering to how people say none of your choices matter, and I think he does mention that he does understand any other complaint but this perticular one. Missing most of the points, but it is still against one point.


The problem is we are in the dark. From the information we have now, everything Shepard did was, infact, invein. If I made the reapers go away, where did they go without the mass relays? There is just too much information missing for us to understand the big picture. Read my chess analogy again - that is the feeling that I, atleast, have.

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The Razman wrote...

Zenor wrote...
Anyways, this article is reffering to how people say none of your choices matter, and I think he does mention that he does understand any other complaint but this perticular one. Missing most of the points, but it is still against one point.

He says that he can understand "a number of other arguments", but not all of them. He also defends the Starchild and the ending choices, I believe.

Hm, for me personally I don't defend the star child but OK with the reaper logic and choices personally. But yeah, that's what I meant in my post on that. Where does he talk about the star child? In that same article? If so, I'm going to re-read it more carefully for everything he says.

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What is this guy rambling on about, other than trying to get blog hits for having a different opinion.

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I don't mind the ending, and the article above states perfectly why you don't even need the indoctrination theory to defend the choices BioWare made with it. Even so, the amount of plotholes was quite staggering in the final 5 minutes.

Modifié par Casterdael, 19 mars 2012 - 11:55 .


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He4vyMet4l wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Well to be honest, I did feel like I won in that scenario. I did beat the reapers, just the way of doing so wasn't exactly perfect. Honestly give me a dlc that says some scientists made it possible to do FTL travel efficent enough that you don't have to rely on the mass relays and maybe add a line or two in the game saying joker had to back off because such and such happens and maybe shepard said get out of here...and I'll be 100% happy!

Anyways, this article is reffering to how people say none of your choices matter, and I think he does mention that he does understand any other complaint but this perticular one. Missing most of the points, but it is still against one point.


The problem is we are in the dark. From the information we have now, everything Shepard did was, infact, invein. If I made the reapers go away, where did they go without the mass relays? There is just too much information missing for us to understand the big picture. Read my chess analogy again - that is the feeling that I, atleast, have.


Well, yes we are in the dark. Personally like that myself, might be why I'm not so angry about it. Like I said, I wish that any new dlc expands on the ending, like something speaking about making faster FTL drives making the ending not seem to dark, or anything that can help make the ending more clear. I understand your feelings on the ending though, as I can see why many people feel it not really a victory...or at least doesn't feel like a victory one would expect. I can only say is I felt I won, just not in a expected way. 

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Casterdael wrote...

I don't mind the ending, and the article above states perfectly why you don't even need the indoctrination theory to defend the choices BioWare made with it. Even so, the amount of plotholes was quite staggering in the final 5 minutes.

Don't know about you guys, but the plotholes (from what I can think ontop of my head) would be fixed by just removing a couple models (squadmates) that was at the final scene and just have a couple lines here and there explaning the normandy scene.

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TrueHD wrote...

What is this guy rambling on about, other than trying to get blog hits for having a different opinion.


Um, RPS is one of the biggest PC gaming sites and has featured some great writing on gaming:

http://www.rockpaper...gaming-made-me/

Modifié par thedosbox, 19 mars 2012 - 11:59 .


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If BioWare just hadn't made a huge deal about choices affecting everyone's ending ...

And honestly, is kind of hard to ****** off so many people without screwing something up.

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Aha, then I guess I've played ME1 and ME2 one too many times. What a tool I've been!

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Yea, I just skimmed and was proven right in my suspicion that he is dead wrong.

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Shinobu wrote...

Interesting read. I feel the author's choice to play each game only once may enhance his ability to accept the endings.

This invalidated his views IMO... casual playthroughs, volus good looks.

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Zenor wrote...

Casterdael wrote...

I don't mind the ending, and the article above states perfectly why you don't even need the indoctrination theory to defend the choices BioWare made with it. Even so, the amount of plotholes was quite staggering in the final 5 minutes.

Don't know about you guys, but the plotholes (from what I can think ontop of my head) would be fixed by just removing a couple models (squadmates) that was at the final scene and just have a couple lines here and there explaning the normandy scene.


I'd rather they scrapped the whole mass relay and Normandy part and the ending should be fine. 

Modifié par Casterdael, 20 mars 2012 - 12:05 .


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thedosbox wrote...

TrueHD wrote...

What is this guy rambling on about, other than trying to get blog hits for having a different opinion.


Um, RPS is one of the biggest PC gaming sites and has featured some great writing on gaming:

http://www.rockpaper...gaming-made-me/


Their reviews are almost always contrarian and exercises in virtuostic douchebaggerry (I mean that in the best possible way) which is the main reason it's big...

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 20 mars 2012 - 12:06 .


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I'd read it, but I'm afraid I've already heard enough about why the ending is great from the rest of the mainstream gaming publications and, most importantly, from the producer.

"Victorious, uplifting!"

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SidNitzerglobin wrote...

Their reviews are almost always contrarian and exercises in virtuostic douchebaggerry (I mean that in the best possible way) which is the main reason it's big...


Yep, because it's obvious they're not beholden to their advertisers.

Also, LMAO at the guy claiming people who only play through a game once have an invalid opinion.  Here's a clue - it's an opinion.

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OH HOW DARE HE GO AGAINST THE MAJORITY OPINION, HOW DARE HE!!!!